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    “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    Generally it is rare for a QB that the team did not draft or develop within the team (ie Kurt Warner) to win a SB. Recently however there were two cases. That of Matt Stafford with the Rams and Tom Brady with Tampa. Fair enough to say there are no QBs of that caliber available as a free agent this year.

    Going further back - Drew Brees counts as an outside QB but he was acquired after one year in the league so basically very early - and developed as a mature QB in Sean Payton’s system.

    Trent Dilfer won a SB but Kent Graham could have won a SB with that Ravens defense so the QB was a non-factor. Names like Steve Young (messed abound in the USFL) and Doug Williams also come up but the one true outsider that won a SB was Brad Johnson with Tampa. And ironically his opponent Rich Gannon was also an outsider having had a great year with Oakland. Jim Plunkett revitalized his career with Oakland but this was another era.

    And that about it. Generally a team needs to draft a QB and get lucky. This includes names like Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, Brady, Manning, roethlisberger …and Mahomes.

    With this said, in general we should not be looking at free agent QBs to help us win a SB unless they are the caliber of a Brees, Stafford or Brady. Getting a cousins or Wilson or fields will create some temporary excitement and hope but it will just delay and prolong our mediocrity.

    I would stick with Kenny for the upcoming year. Tell him to take risks and see where it goes and if we suck and fail then we are in a position to draft a QB or move up without mortgaging our future.

    and yes the stats on drafting QBs in the first round are also as poor as free agent QBs that become franchise QBs but based on SB history - it seems to be the only path.

    (I would also recommend that we draft more than one QB per year and take some late round fliers (Brady, Purdy). Example: Washington drafted RG3 and Cousins in the same year.)

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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    This kinda backs up what we all sorta know. Good QBs just don’t change teams often.

    So about that 2025 QB class…

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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by ETL View Post
    Generally it is rare for a QB that the team did not draft or develop within the team (ie Kurt Warner) to win a SB. Recently however there were two cases. That of Matt Stafford with the Rams and Tom Brady with Tampa. Fair enough to say there are no QBs of that caliber available as a free agent this year.

    Going further back - Drew Brees counts as an outside QB but he was acquired after one year in the league so basically very early - and developed as a mature QB in Sean Payton’s system.

    Trent Dilfer won a SB but Kent Graham could have won a SB with that Ravens defense so the QB was a non-factor. Names like Steve Young (messed abound in the USFL) and Doug Williams also come up but the one true outsider that won a SB was Brad Johnson with Tampa. And ironically his opponent Rich Gannon was also an outsider having had a great year with Oakland. Jim Plunkett revitalized his career with Oakland but this was another era.

    And that about it. Generally a team needs to draft a QB and get lucky. This includes names like Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman, Elway, Brady, Manning, roethlisberger …and Mahomes.

    With this said, in general we should not be looking at free agent QBs to help us win a SB unless they are the caliber of a Brees, Stafford or Brady. Getting a cousins or Wilson or fields will create some temporary excitement and hope but it will just delay and prolong our mediocrity.

    I would stick with Kenny for the upcoming year. Tell him to take risks and see where it goes and if we suck and fail then we are in a position to draft a QB or move up without mortgaging our future.

    and yes the stats on drafting QBs in the first round are also as poor as free agent QBs that become franchise QBs but based on SB history - it seems to be the only path.

    (I would also recommend that we draft more than one QB per year and take some late round fliers (Brady, Purdy). Example: Washington drafted RG3 and Cousins in the same year.)

    this is a little petty on my part ( seeing as I have shit for grammar ) but how come of all the QBs you list here only Roethlisberger is the one not capitalized ?
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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by T&B fan View Post
    this is a little petty on my part ( seeing as I have shit for grammar ) but how come of all the QBs you list here only Roethlisberger is the one not capitalized ?
    That seemed a little odd to me too.

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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    This kinda backs up what we all sorta know. Good QBs just don’t change teams often.

    So about that 2025 QB class…
    Teams don't let good QBs change teams.

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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    The rams gave up a boatload of picks for Stafford and made the lions a powerhouse. Bucs got lucky with Brady who wanted a change after 20 years with NE. My all time favorite example, the raiders got really lucky with the forgotten former 1st overall pick Plunkett. 10 years later the Raiders pick up this reclamation project who spent his career hanging around NE then SF as a backup/afterthought. Just doesn’t happen very often and not a reliable path to success.

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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    The rams gave up a boatload of picks for Stafford and made the lions a powerhouse. Bucs got lucky with Brady who wanted a change after 20 years with NE. My all time favorite example, the raiders got really lucky with the forgotten former 1st overall pick Plunkett. 10 years later the Raiders pick up this reclamation project who spent his career hanging around NE then SF as a backup/afterthought. Just doesn’t happen very often and not a reliable path to success.
    I think the only reason the deal worked with the Lions was Goff reinvented himself as a top 10 QB. But let's get real. That deal worked for both teams.

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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    I think the only reason the deal worked with the Lions was Goff reinvented himself as a top 10 QB. But let's get real. That deal worked for both teams.
    Goff was an afterthought at the time. The main part of the deal were those three picks. But yeah, Goff later turned out to be a major factor. I don’t see anyone like that now, Fields perhaps? Maybe even Rudy who was kind of forgotten and discarded

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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    The rams gave up a boatload of picks for Stafford and made the lions a powerhouse. Bucs got lucky with Brady who wanted a change after 20 years with NE. My all time favorite example, the raiders got really lucky with the forgotten former 1st overall pick Plunkett. 10 years later the Raiders pick up this reclamation project who spent his career hanging around NE then SF as a backup/afterthought. Just doesn’t happen very often and not a reliable path to success.
    The Raiders were exceptionally lucky considering Plunkett threw the ball like a shot put.

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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    Strange coincidence - Steve Young (supplemental draft after USFL) and Doug Williams (regular draft) started as Tampa Bay Bucs.

    Tampa drafts Vinny Testaverde believing Steve Young was a bust and trades him to San Francisco and Bill Walsh



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    Re: “Outside” QBs to win a Super Bowl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    This kinda backs up what we all sorta know. Good QBs just don’t change teams often.

    So about that 2025 QB class…
    ...or develop Kenny.

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