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    Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    a guy I would have liked to have seen in Pittsburgh as would a few others , some here didnt think he was worthy and living off his daddys name , apparently the Saints think otherwise https://www.nfl.com/news/saints-expe...ve-coordinator
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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    a guy I would have liked to have seen in Pittsburgh as would a few others , some here didnt think he was worthy and living off his daddys name , apparently the Saints think otherwise https://www.nfl.com/news/saints-expe...ve-coordinator
    He might do great. But the stats and results paint the picture of guy that if he wasn't named "Kubiak" would be waiting a long(er) time to have a chair pulled out for him.

    I don't see anything in his performance record to indicate he is better than Bienemy. Yet that dude likely won't have a job.

    Personally, I would've rather seen the Steelers roll the dice on Kubiak over Smith. But that is more because I think the style is a better fit. Smith has more actual bona fides.

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    He might do great. But the stats and results paint the picture of guy that if he wasn't named "Kubiak" would be waiting a long(er) time to have a chair pulled out for him.

    I don't see anything in his performance record to indicate he is better than Bienemy. Yet that dude likely won't have a job.

    Personally, I would've rather seen the Steelers roll the dice on Kubiak over Smith. But that is more because I think the style is a better fit. Smith has more actual bona fides.

    Should be noted that Kubiak's dad was a coach at Texas A&M while Allen was a player there. It is all networks and who you know anyway. Very little of these hires are based on merit.

    Think about the Steelers own situation. Even if we say that Tomlin, Khan, and Rooney knew for sure they were hiring an outside OC the day they fired Canada...how much do you think they really know about any of the folks they interviewed.

    The Steelers interviewed Smith on January 28. They played the Bills on Jan 15. We can safely assume that until Jan 16, no one was really thinking about anything besides the Bills.

    Figure that the 16th-20th was filled with travel back from Buffalo, exit interviews, and all the other things we sorta know go into the end of a season. So that means that there was likely about a 7 day window for the brain trust to really focus on digging in on OC candidates. I don't know the other candidates interview dates, but at least one was prior to Smith. So figure that cuts into the time to research each candidate.

    The dirty secret is that these hires are made on vibes, personal connections, and general impressions during in person conversations. They are likely researched and reviewed by fans more than the teams themselves.

    FWIW, I have heard multiple former coaches, GMs, and NFL front office folks discuss the same.

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Should be noted that Kubiak's dad was a coach at Texas A&M while Allen was a player there.
    was he ? all I can find is HC , OC and DC and from 92-95 when Allen was there I do not see Kubiaks name albeit they had some fine coaches during that span in Tubberville and Bob Davie
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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    was he ? all I can find is HC , OC and DC and from 92-95 when Allen was there I do not see Kubiaks name albeit they had some fine coaches during that span in Tubberville and Bob Davie
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kubiak: Texas A&M (1992–1993) Running backs coach

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis...can_football): College: Texas A&M (1992–1995)

    Might not have any bearing on anything. But basically football coaches only get hired by their friends, former co-workers, or dudes who owe their careers to someone that has a connection. It has very little to do with merit or ability.

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kubiak: Texas A&M (1992–1993) Running backs coach

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis...can_football): College: Texas A&M (1992–1995)

    Might not have any bearing on anything. But basically football coaches only get hired by their friends, former co-workers, or dudes who owe their careers to someone that has a connection. It has very little to do with merit or ability.
    That’s the way the non-football world works too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    That’s the way the non-football world works too!
    Absolutely. But fans treat the NFL coaching cycle as a meritocracy and it is not.

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    so far so good ...Saints put up 47 week 1 vs the Panthers and still with 10 mins to play have put up 41 on the Cowboys in Dallas (and they have the ball)

    not saying but just saying he looks like a great hire thus far
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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Now this is ugly like crazy

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Saints are a team that needs a lot of starters and a lot of depth…


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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    The Saints were playing a team trying to lose today. And still lost to them. It would not surprise me if they clean house at the end of this season and begin anew from the GM down.

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    I think the cap credit card bill they pushed off for like a decade finally came due.

    They just need bodies up and down the roster.

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I think the cap credit card bill they pushed off for like a decade finally came due.

    They just need bodies up and down the roster.
    true but they are still like 70-90 millions over the cap for next year too!

    It would been more smart if they would start a rebuilding when Brees retire...

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Quote Originally Posted by polamalubeast View Post
    true but they are still like 70-90 millions over the cap for next year too!

    It would been more smart if they would start a rebuilding when Brees retire...
    77 million in the hole for 2025 according to sportrac. Yikes!



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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    The Saints were playing a team trying to lose today. And still lost to them. It would not surprise me if they clean house at the end of this season and begin anew from the GM down.
    they are down like half the starting lineup but thats life in the NFL
    here is the injury list ... then there is IR on top of that ...
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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    I get that the Saints are dealing with injuries....but it sure seems like a team that is in the middle of a total collapse.

    For the offense....wonder if Kubiak had answers early in the year when the Saints were "new" to everyone without film on their tendencies and preferences. Then as the "book" got out...the NFL adjusted and Kubiak didn't? I don't know. I don't watch Saints football. But I did read that their early success was based on hitting deep shots at an almost unbelievable rate. Also, Derek Carr is still Derek Carr.

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    I think Kuniak is the least of their problems. Carr is Carr and they got slammed with injuries…I think moreso than any other team.


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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    The secondary took the biggest hit. And when Carr and Hill were both out they went with Rattler over Haener. Tough to have consistency rotating who's healthy each week.

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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I get that the Saints are dealing with injuries....but it sure seems like a team that is in the middle of a total collapse.

    For the offense....wonder if Kubiak had answers early in the year when the Saints were "new" to everyone without film on their tendencies and preferences. Then as the "book" got out...the NFL adjusted and Kubiak didn't? I don't know. I don't watch Saints football. But I did read that their early success was based on hitting deep shots at an almost unbelievable rate. Also, Derek Carr is still Derek Carr.

    being battered on O and not having either of your top 2 corners gets most teams beat pretty regularly in this league ....

    that aside are they any good ? they will go as far as Carr takes them and that likely isnt to far regardless of system as we have seen his entire career ... he can be really good but usually he is just average or below
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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Kubiak was being limited by Allen as well according to reports so maybe we see the Saints open up a bit more.


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    Re: Saints decide on Kubiak as next OC

    Saints should bring back the paperbag Aints.

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