I agree...It will be crucial to take the next step...But maybe this is not just on him but also on the owner....We will seeOriginally Posted by Steeler-in-west
I agree...It will be crucial to take the next step...But maybe this is not just on him but also on the owner....We will see
Yes.
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On one hand we have people on fan sites convinced they are accurately setting performance benchmarks. Then concluding this or that coach/team are not meeting them.
Then we have the actual people involved in that industry. They set different benchmarks. Reach entirely different conclusions.
I wonder which ones are reasonable and which are not.
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The only meaningful benchmark is the one set by the majority of the fans. Not a few media pundits with an agenda nor the few fans with a bias.
Tomlin’s got his own personal benchmark too, hopefully that one coincides with the fan majority.
If we want to get technical about it; ownership is all that matters.
I suspect their parameters for evaluation are closer to players/coaches/gms then rabid fans.
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the majority of the fan base is not rabid. And ownership needs to satisfy the majority fan base or they start to lose money. Fans are all that matter. I’m sure ownership, if they are good and honest about it would agree.
The Financials that are available for review document that as long as the TV money continues, nothing else matters.
Individual teams can play in empty stadiums as long as the league continues to sign massive television contracts.
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ok but they still need viewership right? What if the ratings for Steeler games go down? I don’t see how ownership can ignore the fan base. They have to put out a product that the majority will watch. Were one of the most watched teams because of our past Super Bowl success, but if we go another decade without one we become some lowly franchise that can’t fill seats or doesnt get national coverage like the lions who haven’t won since the 50’s
Comprehension matters. I am not bothered by people who criticize Mike Tomlin. My entire point is that it takes much more for a team to be successful than just the head coach. I am pointing out that what some call a 'dismal record' over the last few years is comprised of many different issues than just 'Mike Tomlin'.
The issues with the Steelers have been much broader than just 'Mike Tomlin'. That doesn't even get into the discussion that replacing him is not any guarantee of future success.
I am not even opposed to replacing him if there were a better option on the table. I don't see there currently being a better option, so for me, that 'replacing Tomlin' solution has no value and can be discarded.
I don't have concern because I do not look back at the past years and see them as failures. The outcomes are what they were, and the Steelers are not always going to be the better team. Sometimes even if they are the better team, that isn't a guarantee of success. Other teams try hard too, believe it or not.
Also, this statement is very telling. You are inferring that I want what is best for Mike Tomlin over the Steelers. That is not true at all. The Steelers are going to do what is best for the Steelers as far as Mike Tomlin goes. Mike Tomlin is going to be okay regardless of what future decisions are made. The only thing I ask of either of them is to put the best product on the field that they can.
Have you ever given any thought about what the Steelers franchise might view as being most important for themselves? You are asking them to abandon their own idea of what this franchise is and how it operates and then replacing it with yours.
That's a little bit selfish, don't you think?
Are you sure you want what is best for the Steeler's, or do you really want just a little bit more for yourself?
This is a very odd question, so I will give it an odd, yet direct, answer.
I am not demanding that they meet my expectations. You are.
I am not upset at all. I am not even really defending Mike Tomlin. What I am trying to do is help some people to see that Mike Tomlin is not the biggest problem the Steelers have been having.
He is just the easiest scapegoat.
And all those franchises are in great financial shape because of TV money and revenue sharing.
If you and I stop watching there are thousands of people who will start watching each year.
If someone cancels their season tickets, dozens will pay a premium to take them over.
Now that assumes all an owner cares about is cash. But you do not need to win to make a positive profit owning an NFL team.
All three owners have to do is keep the overall league attractive enough that general tv ratings hold. Individual teams can be awful but the overwhelming TV money will keep everyone swimming in money.
Snyder proved this out. He made money while running his franchise into the ground. Then he sold it for a tidy sum all while fans and the league despised him.
I think the Rooney's are not that calculating and cynical. But they could be if they wanted to.
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It depends. We have a lot of people who are actually involved in the industry who let Brock Purdy last until the last pick of the last round of the draft. We have a coach who is actually involved in the industry who thought that Matt Canada was a good choice as an offensive coordinator, and thought that Mitch Trubisky was a better choice to put in as QB than Mason Rudolph. People who are actually involved in the industry make all kind of mistakes all the time.
Then why are you making so many lengthy posts commenting on them and attacking them? If you are not bothered by people who criticize Mike Tomlin, then you deserve an Academy Award for the best impersonation of someone who is.
good point, I forgot about revenue sharing. But if the Rooney’s become complacent or cynical like Snyder or a few others, they’ll eventually sell. It won’t be the proud family franchise we grew up with. What makes the Steelers one of the top franchises is the drive to excellence, there are going to be high standards for the coach and team. It’s just the way it is. Maybe mediocrity works for the lions, browns or jets, but Dan Rooney and Chuck Noll set the standard for us. Cowher, Tomlin and the next coach will always be compared to that standard. Until all of us that were around during that time and the Ben era are not around anymore lol
I am just engaging people in conversation. Point, counterpoint. If someone directly asks me a question, if I see it, I will reply. It's a common courtesy.
Why do you always take what someone says that may be a little bit difficult as an attack or insult? You don't seem to just do this with me, but with several of the members here. I find it to be a little bit disappointing, actually. You do seem to be very intelligent, well written and capable of engaging in a meaningful and thoughtful discussion, but it seems you have a hard time just engaging people in conversation without sometimes misconstruing their words or intentions.
Or you are a troll.
I patiently await your rebuttal.
I've been on message boards for decades, and I know insults when I see them. Your very first reply to me on this board called me a "message board wannabe". In this thread you told me that I was not "able to use sound reason and logic in my discussions". In a later post you call me "selfish", and in this post you tell me I "have a hard time just engaging people in conversation without sometimes misconstruing their words or intentions". But none of these are attacks or insults, don't you see. Nooooo, you are just "making observations" and "engaging in conversation". Nothing to see here.
OK, I am "making observations" too, and my observation is that you are one of those message board jerks who takes pleasure in attacking and insulting and belittling anybody who disagrees with you, especially about Tomlin. The only difference between you and most others who do this is that you don't have the integrity to admit what you are doing and try to hide behind smarmy excuses and justifications for your behavior, and blame your targets for further personal failings when they have the audacity to object to what you are doing and call you out. But please don't take offense to what I said. I have no malicious intent. I am merely engaging in conversation.
Look Sherlock, I already offered you a truce, which you seem to have no interest in accepting. So I'm going to unilaterally be the better man and not sink down to your level. I'm no longer going to make any personal remarks about you, and any replies I make to your posts will be only about football matters. It would be nice if you have the decency to reciprocate, but I'm not holding my breath. At any rate, I'm done playing your game.
lmao.. no, this is not how it works. While the majority of fans aren’t rabid, those fans are usually the loudest online. Ownership doesn’t care about them.
and it takes a long time to lose money as a franchise. Panthers are terrible but I’m not sure they are losing money yet.
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The NFL is not losing money even if the fans boycotted live games and refused to tune in on tv. The deals are made on contract, not per event. In some cases, maybe most cases, the city keeps the money made on concessions already. When the owners meet in the offseason there is absolutely zero hand wringing about how anything they decide will effect fan happiness. Enjoy your leisure time and root for your team(s). But you are not really part of it.
Gotta beat the teams in your division…
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Good points.
They also seem to focus on what adjustments and changes they need to make to capture new fans not retain current fans.
Man, if that isn't the truth...
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You can say that again! I haven't watched a game in two years. It's not the same football or NFL i grew up with and I don't like it. I think it's time to set the sails!
That is quite a feat. But, hey, it's getting better every year.
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Or move away from Cincinnati.
Flew into Cincy in November but stayed in west Chester, about 25 miles from airport. Some of the nicest people I’ve encountered. Fluke??
Hey, what's the source of this image?
So he should be coach of the year candidate then? Sounds good.
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They have a nice airport too. How does that happen?
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