2024 Draft Prospects and Early Mocks

[Born2Steel]

I am concerned with Van Prans shorter arms , I love his play , he over comes his arm length in college but can he do it in the AFC north in the cold?

maybe we find out ??

My opinion on arm length. It matters the most on DL and OT. IOL players rely more on technique than arm length. They have the advantage with knowing the snap count and the blocking assignment. For the quality of Center we 'should' be drafting, 2 inches of finger length at most is not going to matter.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/h...m%20the%20body.

[Dwinsgames]

My opinion on arm length. It matters the most on DL and OT. IOL players rely more on technique than arm length. They have the advantage with knowing the snap count and the blocking assignment. For the quality of Center we 'should' be drafting, 2 inches of finger length at most is not going to matter.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/h...m%20the%20body.

fair enough , he has played well at Georgia and is highly regarded for his leadership

[Dwinsgames]

[Mojouw]

Can anyone break it down to like a slow kid level what the actual difference between the top 3 centers (Barton, Frazier, JPJ) and the next 3 names I usually see (Van Pranger, the dude from Wisconsin, and the dude from Penn State) actually are at center?

I can’t seem to find why anyone would spend a top 50 pick on one of the first three when a top 100 pick likely gets you one of the next three. With a drop that’s FAR less severe than say the drop off at WR, CB, or OT.

Hopefully this makes sense.

[Born2Steel]

Can anyone break it down to like a slow kid level what the actual difference between the top 3 centers (Barton, Frazier, JPJ) and the next 3 names I usually see (Van Pranger, the dude from Wisconsin, and the dude from Penn State) actually are at center?

I can’t seem to find why anyone would spend a top 50 pick on one of the first three when a top 100 pick likely gets you one of the next three. With a drop that’s FAR less severe than say the drop off at WR, CB, or OT.

Hopefully this makes sense.

I was trying to cover the Center prospects in post 53 by breaking down their college snaps positions. Not by number but where they played. there was a question regarding why is Barton considered different than Green. Not that I have a specific answer, just that many Center prospects played all over the OL in college. Green didn't work out, doesn't mean the next guy won't work out. Plus you can see who the 'traditional' Center prospects are.

As for breaking down the prospects, there are many scout sites that do a much better job than I ever could. I'll try to help find answers to more specific questions. I actually enjoy that.

[Mojouw]

I was trying to cover the Center prospects in post 53 by breaking down their college snaps positions. Not by number but where they played. there was a question regarding why is Barton considered different than Green. Not that I have a specific answer, just that many Center prospects played all over the OL in college. Green didn't work out, doesn't mean the next guy won't work out. Plus you can see who the 'traditional' Center prospects are.

As for breaking down the prospects, there are many scout sites that do a much better job than I ever could. I'll try to help find answers to more specific questions. I actually enjoy that.

Ok.

How about this:

Which one is a better offensive line:
A. Jones/Seamalu/Van Pramger/Daniels/Mims
B. Jones/Seamalu/JPJ/Daniels/Moore

[Born2Steel]

Ok.

How about this:

Which one is a better offensive line:
A. Jones/Seamalu/Van Pramger/Daniels/Mims
B. Jones/Seamalu/JPJ/Daniels/Moore

I don't have an answer to that other than;
1. I do think Jones will win and therefore upgrade the LT position.
2. I am a bigger fan of Van Pran than JPJ. I think number of snaps, level of competition, and durability all favor Van Pran.
3. I prefer Moore(3 seasons as an NFL OT) over Mims(a half season total of actual college play on the field).

*These are pure opinion and to be taken as fact.

My preferred OL probably resembles....Jones - Moore - Frazier - Daniels - Latham

[Dwinsgames]

personally gun to my head, I would take Van Pran over probably anyone other than Frazier ...I got a little gun shy with the shorter arms but Born2Steel helped talk me off the ledge ... you just can not make up for all those reps vs the best conference in College football and then to be named the nations best Center ( I still think that is Frazier ) but thats semantics

I wouldn't draft Mims at 20 , just not enough starts to satisfy me ...

Jones , Seumalo (Frazier or Van Pran) , Daniels , (Fautanu ,Latham, Guyton ,Suamataia , Morgan, Paul , Rosengarten pick one any one some would not be 1st round options )

if we traded back from 20 to 28ish some of those guys fit the bill , or trade back a second time to early 40s and take one and grabs your center at 51 ... would then have a couple more 3rd round picks too if moving back twice

[Mojouw]

I don't have an answer to that other than;
1. I do think Jones will win and therefore upgrade the LT position.
2. I am a bigger fan of Van Pran than JPJ. I think number of snaps, level of competition, and durability all favor Van Pran.
3. I prefer Moore(3 seasons as an NFL OT) over Mims(a half season total of actual college play on the field).

*These are pure opinion and to be taken as fact.

My preferred OL probably resembles....Jones - Moore - Frazier - Daniels - Latham

personally gun to my head, I would take Van Pran over probably anyone other than Frazier ...I got a little gun shy with the shorter arms but Born2Steel helped talk me off the ledge ... you just can not make up for all those reps vs the best conference in College football and then to be named the nations best Center ( I still think that is Frazier ) but thats semantics

I wouldn't draft Mims at 20 , just not enough starts to satisfy me ...

Jones , Seumalo (Frazier or Van Pran) , Daniels , (Fautanu ,Latham, Guyton ,Suamataia , Morgan, Paul , Rosengarten pick one any one some would not be 1st round options )

if we traded back from 20 to 28ish some of those guys fit the bill , or trade back a second time to early 40s and take one and grabs your center at 51 ... would then have a couple more 3rd round picks too if moving back twice

Seems like you might agree that the drop from say the first tier of centers is far less steep than the drop off at OT or some other position.

I can not seem to see any reason why a team would burn a top 20 pick on say, Barton, when they could instead pick Van Pran in like the top 65 and then also have another top 20 pick.

Dunno. Just likely thinking about random crap too much.

But I like thinking about the draft in tiers of players. And the drop between center tiers seems less of a fall than the drop between other position group tiers.

[Dwinsgames]

Seems like you might agree that the drop from say the first tier of centers is far less steep than the drop off at OT or some other position.

I can not seem to see any reason why a team would burn a top 20 pick on say, Barton, when they could instead pick Van Pran in like the top 65 and then also have another top 20 pick.

Dunno. Just likely thinking about random crap too much.

But I like thinking about the draft in tiers of players. And the drop between center tiers seems less of a fall than the drop between other position group tiers.

its not just the perceived difference but I personally think some of these guys are actually slotted by the "so called experts " to high ... Barton for me is in a slightly different category because he could play multiple places as a starter IMO so he may not be that far off in the rankings , but to me JPJ never had any business being talked about as a 1st round pick , he for me was never as good as Frazier and has far less experience at doing it , toss in all the injury concerns , all the likely concussions to go along with the documented ones and this is a player who has some real concerns about longevity and not anyone I would throw a 1st round selection at and I would bet teams feel the same way as 1st round selections are valuable ....

then you consider Center (interior O-Line in general) is a devalued across the league , sure you need one but nobody wants to actually pay for them ...Think Safety a few years back when some of the best in the league got 6-8 million a year and a good one for even less devalued positions and is there any less sexy pick than a center for a franchise in the first round ??

if I was running the show I am not drafting a Center in round 1, I'm just not ....

I would draft a CB or WR in round 1 this year before I drafted a Center in round 1 and I am not wild about the idea of doing that .... I honestly believe the best way of improving THIS team is OT , then Center then CB/WR depends on who is there mix in LB and DT ...I hope we trade back a couple times and snag a couple more 3rd round picks because I believe there is going to be a TON of LB/DT talent still hanging around in rd 3 and I want in on it ....

[Mojouw]

its not just the perceived difference but I personally think some of these guys are actually slotted by the "so called experts " to high ... Barton for me is in a slightly different category because he could play multiple places as a starter IMO so he may not be that far off in the rankings , but to me JPJ never had any business being talked about as a 1st round pick , he for me was never as good as Frazier and has far less experience at doing it , toss in all the injury concerns , all the likely concussions to go along with the documented ones and this is a player who has some real concerns about longevity and not anyone I would throw a 1st round selection at and I would bet teams feel the same way as 1st round selections are valuable ....

then you consider Center (interior O-Line in general) is a devalued across the league , sure you need one but nobody wants to actually pay for them ...Think Safety a few years back when some of the best in the league got 6-8 million a year and a good one for even less devalued positions and is there any less sexy pick than a center for a franchise in the first round ??

if I was running the show I am not drafting a Center in round 1, I'm just not ....

I would draft a CB or WR in round 1 this year before I drafted a Center in round 1 and I am not wild about the idea of doing that .... I honestly believe the best way of improving THIS team is OT , then Center then CB/WR depends on who is there mix in LB and DT ...I hope we trade back a couple times and snag a couple more 3rd round picks because I believe there is going to be a TON of LB/DT talent still hanging around in rd 3 and I want in on it ....

That’s likely it.

I just don’t see a first round prospect when I watch clips of the various centers play.

But I’m also nowhere near an evaluator of interior line play.

I’m lucky if I can notice an OT.

[Dwinsgames]

That’s likely it.

I just don’t see a first round prospect when I watch clips of the various centers play.

But I’m also nowhere near an evaluator of interior line play.

I’m lucky if I can notice an OT.

you also under sell yourself on talent recognition too so there is that lol

[Mojouw]

you also under sell yourself on talent recognition too so there is that lol

In my head I'm the best GM in the history of the league.

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[Dwinsgames]

In my head I'm the best GM in the history of the league.

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aren't we all ? LOL