Not what, but who. Lets say Mikey gets the axe ala Chargers coach. Who would you be praying for...with some amount of "actually could happen".
Not what, but who. Lets say Mikey gets the axe ala Chargers coach. Who would you be praying for...with some amount of "actually could happen".
A 40 year old Chuck Noll coming back from the uknown
short of that maybe Ben Johnson from Detroit, he’s remade Gared Goff, I’m sure he can do something with our QB room
Klint Kubiak
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
I’m asking for A Dermonti Dawson clone. I don’t care about the coach. Get me an anchor and badass leader on the o-line.
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He's a real interesting name from the Shanahan tree. Dad was an NFL QB and coach, so you know he has had some real knowledge passed to him at a young age. I hear he has a great football mind.
His 49ers experience and learning that Shanahan system is a great chip to have. He is young and has a lot of that lineage that you like to see. I just don't know that he would come to the Steelers if Tomlin is going to be here long term. The only way that works is if he is able to be brought in as OC to run the offense, and Tomlin is going to be done after next season. Promises that he would be in line to be head coach if he is successful would need to be made, but that is the only way he would come to the Steelers IMO.
I actually think that the cratering at the end of the season could make the Steelers job more appealing to a coach climbing the ladder.
Imagine the rocket ship to the moon your reputation would take if you made this collection of misfit toys look like a viable NFL offense.
If Tomlin not extended, he’s not coming back next year. A lame duck HC not gonna work. Tomlin not bringing a guy to take his job. If Steelers go another route it seems to me it will be next year IMO. I’m good with that. He’ll have a job within a week but we need some new blood.
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Urban Meyer!
A young up and coming assistant coach with new ideas and a track record of success. Just like the Steelers last three successful hires.
Changing mine to Hard Knocks debut!
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You may be right. It's a matter of how the job is presented to him and what he thinks his prospects are going forward. For all we know, Mike Tomlin and Art Rooney already have an agreement on how Tomlin's time here will end. It may have already been decided and agreed upon. Who knows?
his Dad was a pretty darn good coach in his own right , would still be if health wouldnt have gotten in the way ...that said I would try and trade Tomlin and Hire Kubiak as the HC...
they wont but I would
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Trading Tomlin for picks would be huge. I’d bet Chargers take him in a minute. But yeah he’ll probably sign an extension for 4 years in February. Worst case scenario, he is lame duck next year and can kicked further down road.
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Yeah, I always liked Kubiak. Not a great quarterback, but was a great backup for much of his career and became a very good coach.
Like I said, he has that lineage that you like to see. I'm sure having your old man explaining and teaching the game from a very early age is a huge advantage. Coach's sons tend to have a very detailed understanding of the game. Of course, they have to have a true gift themselves to be able to operate at that level, but I have heard some real good stuff about him and his feel for the game. It is still a bit of a projection because he hasn't done it as an OC yet, but there appears to be the foundation to be a very good coach.
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I like his connection to the Niners as much as his bloodline.
Hope he gets a look
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If his name wasn't "Kubiak" would anyone really be excited about this dude?
He starts off as a grad assistant and assistant WR's coach at Texas A&M. Then gets hired to do offensive staff work by two dudes who owed his old man for the 2013-14 Vikings. The 2013 Vikings were 5-10 and the 2014 Vikings were 7-9. Ranked 14th and 20th in offense.
He then resurfaces on his old man's final (2016) Denver Broncos staff. Where he helped oversee the development of Paxton Lynch and Trevor Siemian. That is quite the feather in his cap.
It all fell apart in Denver and Kubiak the Younger washes up on the Vikings staff 3 YEARS LATER...because his old man is working there and people who are friends with or owe his old man are also on staff there. So how did it go? Take a look:
2019 QB Coach: good overall Vikings team. Went 10-6 and finished second in the division. Won a wild card game. The offense, overall, was ranked 8th in points and 16th in yards. That sounds pretty good. Let's look at the passing game that Kubiak was part of...ok...Cousins....30th in attempts, 23rd in yards, and 14th in TDs. Okay....taking a look at the top 6 rushing ranks...we can see the focus of the team was on his old man's rushing attack and passing when they had to.
2020 QB Coach: Team goes 7-9 and finishes 3rd. Offense is 11th in points and 4th in yards. But again...it is heavily weighted towards the running game. 27th in attempts, 14th in yards for Kubiak and Cousins, BUT...6th in TDs! So a limited but very effective passing attack.
2021 OC: Dad retires and Zimmer promotes the kid to replace him. Vikings go 8-9 and finish 2nd. Offense is 14th in points and 12th in yards. The passing game rises and the rushing attack falls. Passing is about 11th in the league across the board and rushing is about 16th in the league across the board.
2022 Denver Broncos: After everyone gets canned in Minnesota, Kubiak gets hired on Hackett's Broncos staff. This went sideways for everyone and no one looked really great here.
2023: Gets hired by the younger Shanahan who also has strong professional and family ties to the Kubiak clan. Is coordinating a passing game that is last in attempts but 2nd in yards and 1st in TDs.
So that is the tangible record of Klint Kubiak. It seems to paint a picture of passing game coach that can deliver an efficient passing offense when there are low attempts supported by an excellent running game. When that rush game support is not there or the overall offensive structure is not strong...the passing game also suffers. Which is likely the case with anyone, but Kubiak does not seem to be able to push through that and find a path to success anyways....
The interesting thing to know and I do not know this nor am I looking it up this morning....would be whether those successful rushing attacks in Minnesota and San Fran are predicated on doing wide zone style stuff. Because we know that the current Steelers RBs and OL are not good at that. So if you bring Kubiak in as your OC and he requires wide zone rushing to be successful....that's a nuts and bolts rebuild of the guts of your offense.
anything here to get excited about ??
Cowher began his coaching career in 1985 at age 28 under Marty Schottenheimer with the Cleveland Browns. Cowher, who had played under Schottenheimer in Cleveland when Schottenheimer was the team's defensive coordinator, stated that he took a coaching position despite taking a significant pay cut from what he would have made as a player with the Eagles in 1985 because he saw his fortunes as a player limited and saw more of a future as a coach.[2]
He was the Browns' special teams coach in 1985–86 and secondary coach in 1987–88 before following Schottenheimer to the Kansas City Chiefs in 1989 as defensive coordinator. He was a finalist for the Cincinnati Bengals head coaching position in 1991 following the dismissal of Sam Wyche, but was passed over in favor of Dave Shula.
how about here ??
Tomlin was hired as the defensive backs coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2001 under head coach Tony Dungy, where Tomlin first learned the Tampa 2 defense that he would use in later coaching jobs.[3]
Tomlin was retained under new head coach Jon Gruden, and in 2002 and 2005, the Buccaneers led the NFL in total defense (fewest yards allowed per game). During Tomlin's tenure, the defense never ranked worse than sixth overall. When the Buccaneers won Super Bowl XXXVII in January 2003, the team recorded a Super Bowl-record five interceptions, three of which were returned for touchdowns.[4]
Defensive coordinator
Tomlin was selected by Vikings' head coach Brad Childress to be his defensive coordinator in 2006.[5][6]
Two of the players on the Vikings roster were older than Tomlin, and Tomlin had been a teammate of Vikings' safety Darren Sharper while at William and Mary. The 2006 Vikings finished with the NFL's eighth-best overall defense, but had the unusual distinction of finishing as the top-ranked defense against the run[7] and the worst-ranked defense against the pass.[8]
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Other than a track record of success as a position coach and coordinator? I guess not.
All I am saying is that everyone is convinced that Tomlin is fatally flawed to hire his friends and elevate them beyond their talents. OK.. fair. But Kubiak has only ever coached on staffs helmed by people who owe his old man their careers in some cases. And when he isn't on the staff of his dad's friends he is out of the NFL (at one point for multiple consecutive seasons) and in some cases out of coaching all together. Does that sound like a guy who is building a foundation for success on his own?
you don't see success in Kubiaks background , at least equal to what I posted > did you read it ? Tomlins pass D was leagues worse just prior to us hiring him and you must have completely ignored that
The 2006 Vikings finished with the NFL's eighth-best overall defense, but had the unusual distinction of finishing as the top-ranked defense against the run[7] and the worst-ranked defense against the pass.
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
When has Kubiak finished the best at anything? When has his success not been a product of his Dad or other more senior coach above him?
Why has no one but his Dad’s friends hired him to work in the NFL?
Why was he out of coaching when Dad or Das’s friends didn’t put him on staff?
What in his track record of working with young QBs provides the foundation for him guiding KPs development?
If his success is tied to wide zone rushing, how’s that work on a team that stinks at that very thing?
If this guy didn’t share a last name with his successful old man, he’d have a YouTube channel about football.
Interview for OC? Sure. No stone unturned. But HC? That’s a big stretch.
now that is a typical response , bombard so people become disinterested in a conversation ....
I will say this and I am done ...everybody is a nobody until they are a somebody and name me one coach in the league who has done it all by himself without relationships , hell Tomlin and Butler go back to low level college coaching together and so does Fichtner (same staff for that matter but Tomlin was the low man on that pole) relationships is how every coach in the league has managed to get there and remain there ... no NFL GM flies across the country to interview Local High school team usa coach for the job , no GM is flying to your city and driving to your house to ask you to do the job either , its just not how the league operates ................
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
What is one reason to hire Kubiak for OC?
What is one reason to hire him for HC?
I don’t see a good candidate. Others do. Take the name away and no one has offered a tangible reason.
A top 10 pick that we get for trading Tomlin
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just joking, just joking
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I’m not sure why it’s a joke. He’s balling out. I’d be glad to have him. They had the chance to get him for practically nothing. Now he’s gonna command about $25m per on a prove it one more time deal.
just joking, just joking
true, this past Sunday Baker Mayfield was the first visiting QB to ever post a perfect QB rating at Lambeau Field.
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