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    steelers run game transformation

    no secret here that they have been vastly improved for a few weeks but this is eye popping as to how improved ...


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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    When did the Steelers start Broderick Jones and sit Chukks again....was that Week 9?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    When did the Steelers start Broderick Jones and sit Chukks again....was that Week 9?
    Yeah week 9. Imagine if he had started week 1.



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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    I think that the equation of Jones=Success might be too simplified.

    There is a version where Jones Week 1 was not ready but Week Whatever it was Jones was ready. It is possible that his delayed entry into the line-up was what allowed him to be successful.

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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    When did the Steelers start Broderick Jones and sit Chukks again....was that Week 9?
    What a coincidence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    When did the Steelers start Broderick Jones and sit Chukks again....was that Week 9?
    They should be more than able to connect the dots and also go Oline in R1 of the draft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I think that the equation of Jones=Success might be too simplified.

    There is a version where Jones Week 1 was not ready but Week Whatever it was Jones was ready. It is possible that his delayed entry into the line-up was what allowed him to be successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tube517 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by tube517 View Post
    Yeah week 9. Imagine if he had started week 1.
    Like other have said, I dont think he was ready in Week 1. He didnt look great in preseason IMO.

    I have always been of the opinion that Chukks isnt a great run blocker, but a better pass protector and he is more suited to play LT than Dan Moore. But its pretty apparent that Jones is a better run blocker than both. He has quick feet and displaces D lineman with inital contact on double team blocks and then is athletic to get to the LB. He looks like he enjoys run blocking, which he should as its the most fun part of playing O line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoes View Post
    They should be more than able to connect the dots and also go Oline in R1 of the draft
    I said similar in another post that they should go interior O line in the upcoming draft. That being said, I think that you can find good interior O linemen in the first 2 days of the draft and hope that they do so.

    Could find an upgrade over Daniels, Cole or Seumalo there, who could compete in camp and maybe make the transition mid season like Jones did this year.

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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    I’m sure opening up the passing attack helped open some holes for the running game too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    I’m sure opening up the passing attack helped open some holes for the running game too.
    You mean like in the Packers game?

    Kenny Pickett 14/23 , 126 Yds passing, 0 TD

    Jaylen Warren 15 carries, 101 Yds , 1 TD
    Najee Harris 16 carries, 82 Yds, 1 TD

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    You mean like in the Packers game?

    Kenny Pickett 14/23 , 126 Yds passing, 0 TD

    Jaylen Warren 15 carries, 101 Yds , 1 TD
    Najee Harris 16 carries, 82 Yds, 1 TD
    yeah, Broderick Jones makes a difference too and the fact that the packers D is not very good against the run, but a healthy passing attack opens up the running game, otherwise the defense will just stack the box, I’m sure you know that already.

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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    The passing game with PF looked very much improved.

    Warren and Najee have both having success lately is phenomenal and I think it is 100% better line play.

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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    I wouldn’t want to know what our running games looks like without a decent passing game. Games like the GB game are an anomaly - NFL defenses know how to handle a one dimensional offense

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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    When did they stop zone blocking and go to man blocking. They did that mid game at some point and it made a world of difference. Was that Week 9 as well?


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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    I wouldn’t want to know what our running games looks like without a decent passing game. Games like the GB game are an anomaly - NFL defenses know how to handle a one dimensional offense
    I would say that lack of a decent passing game has been what it looks like what most of the season. There have been several games there the Steelers QB's have not passed for over 200 yards.

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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Like other have said, I dont think he was ready in Week 1. He didnt look great in preseason IMO.

    I have always been of the opinion that Chukks isnt a great run blocker, but a better pass protector and he is more suited to play LT than Dan Moore. But its pretty apparent that Jones is a better run blocker than both. He has quick feet and displaces D lineman with inital contact on double team blocks and then is athletic to get to the LB. He looks like he enjoys run blocking, which he should as its the most fun part of playing O line.

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    I said similar in another post that they should go interior O line in the upcoming draft. That being said, I think that you can find good interior O linemen in the first 2 days of the draft and hope that they do so.

    Could find an upgrade over Daniels, Cole or Seumalo there, who could compete in camp and maybe make the transition mid season like Jones did this year.
    Not that I want us to reach, but I'd like the Steelers to take another stab at getting our 10-year starting center. Cole has played better the last few weeks but, even if he starts playing at a high level, we need our next great center, either to pair with Kenny for the next ten years, or alternatively, to have a great center in place for the next man up.

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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I think that the equation of Jones=Success might be too simplified.

    There is a version where Jones Week 1 was not ready but Week Whatever it was Jones was ready. It is possible that his delayed entry into the line-up was what allowed him to be successful.
    dont recall exactly what week it was, but when jones started at LT, PFF had the highest grade of the oline on him that week. week 4 maybe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    dont recall exactly what week it was, but when jones started at LT, PFF had the highest grade of the oline on him that week. week 4 maybe ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    dont recall exactly what week it was, but when jones started at LT, PFF had the highest grade of the oline on him that week. week 4 maybe ?

    I wanted him to play a little sooner, but the coaches have a better read on things. I have never like Okorafor at right tackle. I have looked at him as the weakest link in the OL, particularly from a run-blocking standpoint. I thought that putting Jones at LT and kicking Moore over to RT might be the best way to get our best OL on the field. Tomlin waited and inserted Jones in at RT, and it is difficult to argue with the results. It truly has helped the running game take off and has allowed the best 5 offensive linemen to be on the field IMO.

    I have no idea what the plan is after this year. You would think that Jones at LT and moving Moore to RT would be the eventual plan along with drafting another tackle, but let's just see where it goes from here. It is working with the run game, but Moore sometimes has difficulty with pass protection. The most concerning thing lately is that he has been getting beaten inside, even when he has had help. That just can't happen, particularly when he has help. Those mistakes can be disastrous. Sacks, turnovers, and QB injuries are the most likely outcomes if those mistakes continue. I hope Moore can clean that up.

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    I don’t watch the O-Line as much as I would like, but we have had two of the best pulling guards…..ever. Faneca and DeCastro were great and loved it. This is the first year I’ve seen a pulling tackle. Jones is just getting started. He will come all the way across the line to lead the blockers….not easy for a big man. I’m really starting to like the line for the run game…..maybe more work on pass protection. It certainly is less of a liability.

    On a side note……I still can’t believe that Ben, (after a season ending injury) came back to a completely new OLine……no Pouncey DeCastro, Foster, ( yes I know he was gone earlier). Says a lot for Ben. Ship needs it’s captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkman View Post
    I don’t watch the O-Line as much as I would like, but we have had two of the best pulling guards…..ever. Faneca and DeCastro were great and loved it. This is the first year I’ve seen a pulling tackle. Jones is just getting started. He will come all the way across the line to lead the blockers….not easy for a big man. I’m really starting to like the line for the run game…..maybe more work on pass protection. It certainly is less of a liability.

    On a side note……I still can’t believe that Ben, (after a season ending injury) came back to a completely new OLine……no Pouncey DeCastro, Foster, ( yes I know he was gone earlier). Says a lot for Ben. Ship needs it’s captain.

    How about in 2021 when he had to play with Kendrick Green as his starting center for the entire season! I would like to see any quarterback have to survive that and play well.

    And people were banging on Ben.

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    Re: steelers run game transformation

    Although bad O-linemen seem to leave Pittsburgh and play fine elsewhere...

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