Canada Fired!

[Dwinsgames]

You know. They talked about communication from Sullivan / Faulkner and players on the sidelines. I think in a few shots on TV that we could see there was a lot of interaction from those guys with the players and I guess its expected from brand new playcallers in that situation. But I think its important to be on the sidelines and be able to look your young QB in the face and talk things thru with him as an OC.

It just looked like there was some collaborative discussion going on between coach-players. While the body language with Canada didnt seem that way as he was on the sidelines. In hindsight the body language looked like guys had enough of Canada, so it was time for him to go.

when you go to work thinking you are going to fail you have already failed .... most of these players have a few years of this under their belt with Canada they have preconceived ideas in their heads before they ever take the field ..that has an effect on the product you put out

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

when you go to work thinking you are going to fail you have already failed .... most of these players have a few years of this under their belt with Canada they have preconceived ideas in their heads before they ever take the field ..that has an effect on the product you put out

Yeah, I agree.

I just think that with the new playcaller, OC combination those guys were open to being coached when they came off the field and the coaches were more in their ears about what may have worked and what to do the next series. Looked like a sideline with some active coaching going on, rather than heads down and side eye being given in the past several weeks.

[Dwinsgames]

Yeah, I agree.

I just think that with the new playcaller, OC combination those guys were open to being coached when they came off the field and the coaches were more in their ears about what may have worked and what to do the next series. Looked like a sideline with some active coaching going on, rather than heads down and side eye being given in the past several weeks.

100% agree

[DesertSteel]

Has Canada spoken anywhere on record since his firing? I’d find his perspective of everything interesting.

[Dwinsgames]

Has Canada spoken anywhere on record since his firing? I’d find his perspective of everything interesting.

Tomlin claims it was his call and his alone ....

a few Pittsburgh beat writers say Rooney made the call .....

I dunno who to believe maybe a bit of both maybe Tomlin did make the call with pressure from Art ? or an ultimatum from Art ? or maybe once again the beat writers are full of shit ? we likely never know for sure ...

the good part of it is no matter who did what he is gone

[tube517]

Tomlin claims it was his call and his alone ....

a few Pittsburgh beat writers say Rooney made the call .....

I dunno who to believe maybe a bit of both maybe Tomlin did make the call with pressure from Art ? or an ultimatum from Art ? or maybe once again the beat writers are full of shit ? we likely never know for sure ...

the good part of it is no matter who did what he is gone

Old fart Dulac said it was Rooney.

Diana Russini and Tomlin said it was Tomlin.

Personally I really could give a rats ass but Dulac is unreliable as a source.


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[hawaiiansteeler]

Maybe the Steelers’ woes were Matt Canada’s fault after all...

The Steelers offense looked reborn anew in the immediate wake of Canada’s termination.

By Dan Sager
Nov 27, 2023

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...ls-matt-canada

[Steeler-in-west]

Old fart Dulac said it was Rooney.

Diana Russini and Tomlin said it was Tomlin.

Personally I really could give a rats ass but Dulac is unreliable as a source.


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I got a feeling it was Rooney who decided to keep him around this long, he’s probably the one who most likely gave the OK to give this guy the boot finally (comes down to money, always)

[Voice of Reason]

Tomlin claims it was his call and his alone ....

a few Pittsburgh beat writers say Rooney made the call .....

I dunno who to believe maybe a bit of both maybe Tomlin did make the call with pressure from Art ? or an ultimatum from Art ? or maybe once again the beat writers are full of shit ? we likely never know for sure ...

the good part of it is no matter who did what he is gone

I'm beginning to think more and more that Tomlin realized that he was facing a rebellion from his team, and that forced his hand.

[HollywoodSteel]

One stat from the first game without Canada that I find particularly compelling is that we didn’t have a single three and out on offense. Up until this game we were tied with the Jets for the most three and outs this season.

To me that is even more meaningful than the yards and points scored in terms of what it probably means going forward. The playbook might pretty much be the same but it’s a different offense with an obviously different approach to scheming and in game play calling.

[86WARD]

One stat from the first game without Canada that I find particularly compelling is that we didn’t have a single three and out on offense. Up until this game we were tied with the Jets for the most three and outs this season.

To me that is even more meaningful than the yards and points scored in terms of what it probably means going forward. The playbook might pretty much be the same but it’s a different offense with an obviously different approach to scheming and in game play calling.

Good find! That is much better than the yardage. Lots of third down converted and not many runs on second and long.

[T&B fan]

One stat from the first game without Canada that I find particularly compelling is that we didn’t have a single three and out on offense. Up until this game we were tied with the Jets for the most three and outs this season.

To me that is even more meaningful than the yards and points scored in terms of what it probably means going forward. The playbook might pretty much be the same but it’s a different offense with an obviously different approach to scheming and in game play calling.

its called a game PLAN

[lipps83]

One stat from the first game without Canada that I find particularly compelling is that we didn’t have a single three and out on offense. Up until this game we were tied with the Jets for the most three and outs this season.

To me that is even more meaningful than the yards and points scored in terms of what it probably means going forward. The playbook might pretty much be the same but it’s a different offense with an obviously different approach to scheming and in game play calling.

It will certainly help the defense as well as they will not be forced to be on the field quite as long either.

[tube517]

One stat from the first game without Canada that I find particularly compelling is that we didn’t have a single three and out on offense. Up until this game we were tied with the Jets for the most three and outs this season.

To me that is even more meaningful than the yards and points scored in terms of what it probably means going forward. The playbook might pretty much be the same but it’s a different offense with an obviously different approach to scheming and in game play calling.

That was one of the improvements I wanted to see. Now they need to maintain that. I don't care if run or pass. Just get the first down

[pczach]

OK, finally, Canada is out. It had to be done. Things got so bad that even Tomlin and the Rooneys couldn't ignore it any longer. Now the question is, what will happen next. I've read some great analysis on this board (especially from pczach) on what should be done regarding X's and O's, and I'd like to add a few thoughts of my own.

The first and IMO most important question to be answered is, will Tomlin abandon his safety-first, avoid-turnovers-at-all-cost approach to the offense? If he doesn't, then it doesn't matter which guys are designing and calling the plays, we'll just be getting more of the same. There is a saying in gambling, "Scared money never wins". Well, scared offenses never win either. In order to succeed the Steelers are going to have to take more chances. Not foolish chances like throwing into triple coverage or something, but smart, calculated risks that may be a little dangerous but can reap big rewards if successful. Above all, Kenny has to be told "Look, of course we don't want you to make turnovers, but if you spot something that looks good to you but may be a little risky go for it anyway, and if a turnover occasionally happens it won't be the worst thing in the world".

I agree with those who say there won't be an immediate big change in the offense because you can't make big changes in the middle of the season, but even little tweaks can have a big effect, especially with an offense as predictable as the Steelers. Just the change of having more passing plays run with Kenny starting out under center can make a big difference. And maybe add one or two variations on existing plays each week. After a few weeks of that the offense will look quite different and less predictable than it does now.

I've said from the beginning that I think one reason Kenny has struggled this year has been from lack of confidence. It was unfortunate that he started the season playing against the two best defenses in the league, and I think he's been rattled by it. It looked to me as the weeks went by that he was slowly recovering from that, but then we played Cleveland again and all those unblocked pass rushers barreling in on him got him rattled again, causing the overthrows and inaccurate passes. Even if Canada hadn't been fired I was expecting that Kenny would play better the next few weeks for the simple reason that he was no longer playing against Cleveland. I think the combination of that and (hopefully) a less predictable offense will result in a slow but steady improvement of Kenny and the offense as the weeks go by.

Sorry, just saw this post. Thank you for the kind words.

I think that what you said here is mostly what the team did in the first game without Canada. Good comments by you.

Using a common sense approach the rest of the way makes a ton of sense in regard to Pickett being allowed to make some mistakes. The only way you learn things sometimes is by making mistakes. They have wasted over a year and a half of quarterback development by not giving him a chance to make mistakes...or plays until they needed it at the end of games.

It's time to let Kenny Pickett play more freely and see what he is able to do.

[86WARD]

They have wasted over a year and a half of quarterback development by not giving him a chance to make mistakes...or plays until they needed it at the end of games.

It's time to let Kenny Pickett play more freely and see what he is able to do.

This has been my biggest concern…and not only Pickett have they wasted but Pickens, Harris, Freiermuth…they’ve wasted Watt, Highsmith, Minkah’s time to try to capitalize on their talents…

[DuckHodges]

Now fire Tomlin, no excuse at all getting blown out by a 2-10 team

[DesertSteel]

Somewhere, Canada is toasting drinks and having a good laugh this afternoon.

[Born2Steel]

Somewhere, Canada is toasting drinks and having a good laugh this afternoon.

Toasting with who? He has no friends.

[86WARD]

What time is this mess
Supposed to start back up?

[86WARD]

Somewhere, Canada is toasting drinks and having a good laugh this afternoon.

[DesertSteel]

Canadaberg!!

[Rocky Mtn.]

Toasting with who? He has no friends.

After this s#%#show he doesn't need a friend to toast with . He's pleasuring himself.

[DesertSteel]

Toasting with who? He has no friends.

Kenny still calls him lol.

[Born2Steel]

Canada gets fired and fans are happy. Optimistic and hopeful. The Steelers beat the Bengals and suddenly we are now a good team with promise.

The Steelers lose to the Cardinals. KP has to have ankle surgery and will miss multiple games. Trubisky is now your starter.

Why is it so ‘all or none’ for most fans? It’s either sunshine or it’s burn it down.

[86WARD]

Canada gets fired and fans are happy. Optimistic and hopeful. The Steelers beat the Bengals and suddenly we are now a good team with promise.

The Steelers lose to the Cardinals. KP has to have ankle surgery and will miss multiple games. Trubisky is now your starter.

Why is it so ‘all or none’ for most fans? It’s either sunshine or it’s burn it down.

Still hopeful but it’s not looking good and the whole thing just appears like a giant shit show. Could be worse though…could be the Jets or Browns…

[Born2Steel]

Still hopeful but it’s not looking good and the whole thing just appears like a giant shit show. Could be worse though…could be the Jets or Browns…

I agree there is plenty of shitshow going on. I still think Tomlin is a very good HC.

I just think that when we built this offense they shopped for the shiny toys first. We don’t have an OL that can support it yet. Yes, there has been the attempt. We have brought in FAs, we have drafted OL. They just cannot support this offense.

How can anyone be 100% in or 100% out on KP at this time? We do know the backup QB situation is a joke. But the evaluation of KP is just as big of a joke. Now he may get 3 more games once he comes back from this injury. Time’s up, season is ending.

We must continue building the OL, as well as the DL. That is how you make championship contenders.

[86WARD]

I agree there is plenty of shitshow going on. I still think Tomlin is a very good HC.

I just think that when we built this offense they shopped for the shiny toys first. We don’t have an OL that can support it yet. Yes, there has been the attempt. We have brought in FAs, we have drafted OL. They just cannot support this offense.

How can anyone be 100% in or 100% out on KP at this time? We do know the backup QB situation is a joke. But the evaluation of KP is just as big of a joke. Now he may get 3 more games once he comes back from this injury. Time’s up, season is ending.

We must continue building the OL, as well as the DL. That is how you make championship contenders.

I won’t argue with any of that as I feel the exact same way. All I see is that the last three years have been bungled up about as bad as you could have bungled it and it’s hurt a lot of player evaluations…mainly Picketts.

[Voice of Reason]

Canada gets fired and fans are happy. Optimistic and hopeful. The Steelers beat the Bengals and suddenly we are now a good team with promise.

The Steelers lose to the Cardinals. KP has to have ankle surgery and will miss multiple games. Trubisky is now your starter.

Why is it so ‘all or none’ for most fans? It’s either sunshine or it’s burn it down.

Couldn't agree more. No one is looking at the long view.

[Voice of Reason]

I agree there is plenty of shitshow going on. I still think Tomlin is a very good HC.

I just think that when we built this offense they shopped for the shiny toys first. We don’t have an OL that can support it yet. Yes, there has been the attempt. We have brought in FAs, we have drafted OL. They just cannot support this offense.

How can anyone be 100% in or 100% out on KP at this time? We do know the backup QB situation is a joke. But the evaluation of KP is just as big of a joke. Now he may get 3 more games once he comes back from this injury. Time’s up, season is ending.

We must continue building the OL, as well as the DL. That is how you make championship contenders.

I agree again with everything you are saying (except for Tomlin being a very good HC).