Not that it changed the outcome.

[Mojouw]

This is how you know you got a liberal cornered. Or another word for liberal is someone who doesn't know shit from shinola, and can't sustain a debate. Suddenly, it's spell checking and grammer. If this genius was any smarter than the first genius, he could have provided the proof. Instead, he resorts to spell checking. Means he has nothing and it low I.Q.

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On wondrous one. They don't leave a trail of cookies like Red Riding Hood. I made the accusation, and did provide words and video right from the players mouths. The third video he keeps correcting the guy who tries to steer him away from the claim. I provided the best proof available, but being a man-child like you apparently are, ignored what proof I had and it wasn't circumstantial, and the person denying his lying eyes, and his minion, man-boy, haven't provided anything they claim. You are just a lost cause who heard in 7th grade civics, some terminology that you apparently don't understand anyway, so no use talking to you. But I do give you credit for knowing a bit about civics, even though your teachers didn't make sure you understand it.

[Penglose]

I'll bet you're more worried about bursting your childhood dream how wonderful the Steelers and NFL are. That apparently would crush you.

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So if all these people are publicly admitting the NFL is rigged, how many of the people who did the rigging have been arrested?

Arrested for what? How many of the people involved in any of the known sports fixing have been arrested? You gonna arrest someone for following the script the owners gave them? I used to work at the Meadows, and several drivers got the boot for fixing races. I knew them all. Not one was arrested. If it were the daily number benefiting something, that would be different. I can't believe the question on it's face.

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I gotta tell you, not here particularly to make friends. I also tend to befriend a little more mature type of person. One who doesn't believe in Unicorns and find their heros on a football field. No offense meant. Enjoy your childhood while you can.

[Mojouw]

Guys, you know he's serious. He posted it twice.

Also one post pushing back against a wild claim and resorts to ad hominem arguments.

I think we're up to like 3 major logical fallacies in one argument.

I gotta go dry my tears with some pennants and take down some posters.

[Voice of Reason]

Arrested for what? How many of the people involved in any of the known sports fixing have been arrested? You gonna arrest someone for following the script the owners gave them? I used to work at the Meadows, and several drivers got the boot for fixing races. I knew them all. Not one was arrested. If it were the daily number benefiting something, that would be different. I can't believe the question on it's face.

Well, maybe this will help you to believe the question. In 1920, eight members of the Chicago Black Sox and five gamblers were indicted by a grand jury on nine counts of "conspiracy to defraud" for their roles in fixing the 1919 World Series. I think it's safe to assume that at some point after their indictments they were arrested. They stood trial in 1921, and despite several players signing confessions admitting their part in the plot, everyone was acquitted after the signed confessions mysteriously disappeared from the courthouse and the players recanted.

So even though they were not ultimately convicted they were investigated by law enforcement, indicted by a grand jury, arrested, and tried. If all (or even some) of the public confessions of NFL fixing are true, why aren't these same things happening now? Unless you want to claim that law enforcement agencies are also in on the conspiracy.

[HollywoodSteel]

Guys, you know he's serious. He posted it twice.

Also one post pushing back against a wild claim and resorts to ad hominem arguments.

I think we're up to like 3 major logical fallacies in one argument.

I gotta go dry my tears with some pennants and take down some posters.

I really hope you’re getting some joy out of this because otherwise I don’t see why you bother.

Have you ever tried convincing a flat earther he’s wrong. They have SO much evidence that they find oh so compelling while your evidence is just, well further evidence that everyone is lying and generating fake evidence.

Actual persuasion via reasonable argument is not possible.

This guy obviously gets way more enjoyment from believing in his conspiracy theories about football than he does from football. But you have to understand that he’ll never be content to just believe it. He needs to bait people into arguments, persuade absolutely no one, and then crown himself the winner of the debate because he is the decider of such things. He knows he is because he appointed himself personally.

That’s why I just want to make sure you’re enjoying all of this as much as he is. Otherwise he’s just an energy vampire and you’re the victim.

Btw, I’m not actually trying to discourage you. I kind of get a kick out of these exchanges. Just want to make sure that you’re doing it to entertain yourself and maybe the rest of us. You should think of him as an NPC.

[pczach]

I really hope you’re getting some joy out of this because otherwise I don’t see why you bother.

Have you ever tried convincing a flat earther he’s wrong. They have SO much evidence that they find oh so compelling while your evidence is just, well further evidence that everyone is lying and generating fake evidence.

Actual persuasion via reasonable argument is not possible.

This guy obviously gets way more enjoyment from believing in his conspiracy theories about football than he does from football. But you have to understand that he’ll never be content to just believe it. He needs to bait people into arguments, persuade absolutely no one, and then crown himself the winner of the debate because he is the decider of such things. He knows he is because he appointed himself personally.

That’s why I just want to make sure you’re enjoying all of this as much as he is. Otherwise he’s just an energy vampire and you’re the victim.

Btw, I’m not actually trying to discourage you. I kind of get a kick out of these exchanges. Just want to make sure that you’re doing it to entertain yourself and maybe the rest of us. You should think of him as an NPC.

[86WARD]

I really hope you’re getting some joy out of this because otherwise I don’t see why you bother.

Have you ever tried convincing a flat earther he’s wrong. They have SO much evidence that they find oh so compelling while your evidence is just, well further evidence that everyone is lying and generating fake evidence.

Actual persuasion via reasonable argument is not possible.

This guy obviously gets way more enjoyment from believing in his conspiracy theories about football than he does from football. But you have to understand that he’ll never be content to just believe it. He needs to bait people into arguments, persuade absolutely no one, and then crown himself the winner of the debate because he is the decider of such things. He knows he is because he appointed himself personally.

That’s why I just want to make sure you’re enjoying all of this as much as he is. Otherwise he’s just an energy vampire and you’re the victim.

Btw, I’m not actually trying to discourage you. I kind of get a kick out of these exchanges. Just want to make sure that you’re doing it to entertain yourself and maybe the rest of us. You should think of him as an NPC.

“Energy vampire”…?

Interesting. I like the phrase…

[Mojouw]

I really hope you’re getting some joy out of this because otherwise I don’t see why you bother.

Have you ever tried convincing a flat earther he’s wrong. They have SO much evidence that they find oh so compelling while your evidence is just, well further evidence that everyone is lying and generating fake evidence.

Actual persuasion via reasonable argument is not possible.

This guy obviously gets way more enjoyment from believing in his conspiracy theories about football than he does from football. But you have to understand that he’ll never be content to just believe it. He needs to bait people into arguments, persuade absolutely no one, and then crown himself the winner of the debate because he is the decider of such things. He knows he is because he appointed himself personally.

That’s why I just want to make sure you’re enjoying all of this as much as he is. Otherwise he’s just an energy vampire and you’re the victim.

Btw, I’m not actually trying to discourage you. I kind of get a kick out of these exchanges. Just want to make sure that you’re doing it to entertain yourself and maybe the rest of us. You should think of him as an NPC.

I get a weird kick out of it. I honestly find it all absolutely entertaining and look forward to the next set of nonsense.

I hope someone besides me laughs because it's cluttering up the board.

I also strongly suspect it's a "burner" account of a current member. So makes me more apt to feed the nonsense because I think of how silly it is to keep up the charade.

[fansince'76]

[pczach]

A GIF is worth a thousand words....

[Mojouw]

Well, maybe this will help you to believe the question. In 1920, eight members of the Chicago Black Sox and five gamblers were indicted by a grand jury on nine counts of "conspiracy to defraud" for their roles in fixing the 1919 World Series. I think it's safe to assume that at some point after their indictments they were arrested. They stood trial in 1921, and despite several players signing confessions admitting their part in the plot, everyone was acquitted after the signed confessions mysteriously disappeared from the courthouse and the players recanted.

So even though they were not ultimately convicted they were investigated by law enforcement, indicted by a grand jury, arrested, and tried. If all (or even some) of the public confessions of NFL fixing are true, why aren't these same things happening now? Unless you want to claim that law enforcement agencies are also in on the conspiracy.

The entire trial part of the Black Sox is wild. So much shadiness possible corruption. Chicago was just wild back then.

BTW, are you of the opinion that Rothstein was behind the fix? I've always thought that he was despite the many denials.

[Born2Steel]

Prohibition era Chicago 'EVERYTHING' was on the take. I'm not sure much has changed really. Corruption at every level. BUT....that's Chicago. Fixing a national sports league in the age of instant access to anything you could want, is beyond impossible. Then go down the rabbit hole of hackers, burner accounts, fake news spreaders, etc, and nothing?
I'll say this though, all the leagues are making deals and slowly allowing gambling to become major players and even partners. I think that is a mistake. I don't doubt we will see some shady stuff happen before long. All it takes is a player or a small group of players on a handful of teams to ruin the whole thing.

[Mojouw]

Prohibition era Chicago 'EVERYTHING' was on the take. I'm not sure much has changed really. Corruption at every level. BUT....that's Chicago. Fixing a national sports league in the age of instant access to anything you could want, is beyond impossible. Then go down the rabbit hole of hackers, burner accounts, fake news spreaders, etc, and nothing?
I'll say this though, all the leagues are making deals and slowly allowing gambling to become major players and even partners. I think that is a mistake. I don't doubt we will see some shady stuff happen before long. All it takes is a player or a small group of players on a handful of teams to ruin the whole thing.

The letting gambling in thing is potentially a major issue. BUT....I wonder how much of gambling is "controlled" by organizations willing and able to put the fix in and engage in shady dealings?

I know what I think of when I think of who is behind gambling and sports books, etc. I think of gangsters and mafiosos. But is that true any longer?

I really have no idea. I have never been in to betting on sports since I am too dumb to be any good at it. I waste my money on other things

[Penglose]

Guys, you know he's serious. He posted it twice.

Also one post pushing back against a wild claim and resorts to ad hominem arguments.

I think we're up to like 3 major logical fallacies in one argument.

I gotta go dry my tears with some pennants and take down some posters.

Appealing for sympathy my arrested development friend?

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Well, maybe this will help you to believe the question. In 1920, eight members of the Chicago Black Sox and five gamblers were indicted by a grand jury on nine counts of "conspiracy to defraud" for their roles in fixing the 1919 World Series. I think it's safe to assume that at some point after their indictments they were arrested. They stood trial in 1921, and despite several players signing confessions admitting their part in the plot, everyone was acquitted after the signed confessions mysteriously disappeared from the courthouse and the players recanted.

So even though they were not ultimately convicted they were investigated by law enforcement, indicted by a grand jury, arrested, and tried. If all (or even some) of the public confessions of NFL fixing are true, why aren't these same things happening now? Unless you want to claim that law enforcement agencies are also in on the conspiracy.

That was 100 years ago, VOR. And no jail time? No victims? You are helping me along here. So essentially, you're saying that those Ravens receivers who dropped balls that a junior high football player could catch, possibly committed crimes? How to you prove it?

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I really hope you’re getting some joy out of this because otherwise I don’t see why you bother.

Have you ever tried convincing a flat earther he’s wrong. They have SO much evidence that they find oh so compelling while your evidence is just, well further evidence that everyone is lying and generating fake evidence.

Actual persuasion via reasonable argument is not possible.

This guy obviously gets way more enjoyment from believing in his conspiracy theories about football than he does from football. But you have to understand that he’ll never be content to just believe it. He needs to bait people into arguments, persuade absolutely no one, and then crown himself the winner of the debate because he is the decider of such things. He knows he is because he appointed himself personally.

That’s why I just want to make sure you’re enjoying all of this as much as he is. Otherwise he’s just an energy vampire and you’re the victim.

Btw, I’m not actually trying to discourage you. I kind of get a kick out of these exchanges. Just want to make sure that you’re doing it to entertain yourself and maybe the rest of us. You should think of him as an NPC.

In this case, you are the flat earther.

[HollywoodSteel]

“Energy vampire”…?

Interesting. I like the phrase…

Have you ever seen What We Do in the Shadows? If not you should check it out. They have the best energy vampire.

In one episode he figures out that he can drain way more energy from people by being a troll on the internet than he can in real life.

[Penglose]

I don't consider them trolls. Just a bit immature that they don't understand the world they live in.

[fansince'76]

Have you ever seen What We Do in the Shadows? If not you should check it out. They have the best energy vampire.

In one episode he figures out that he can drain way more energy from people by being a troll on the internet than he can in real life.

"Vampire troll."

[Voice of Reason]

The entire trial part of the Black Sox is wild. So much shadiness possible corruption. Chicago was just wild back then.

BTW, are you of the opinion that Rothstein was behind the fix? I've always thought that he was despite the many denials.

I'd say that it is more probable that he was than that he wasn't.

[Voice of Reason]

That was 100 years ago, VOR. And no jail time? No victims? You are helping me along here. So essentially, you're saying that those Ravens receivers who dropped balls that a junior high football player could catch, possibly committed crimes? How to you prove it?

You expressed doubt that people who fixed NFL games would be arrested by asking how many of the people involved in any of the known sports fixing have been arrested. By recounting the story of the Black Sox I gave a partial answer to your question. Regarding the Ravens, my position is that I believe it is unlikely that what they did was part of a fix, but if it was it would be a crime.

And I repeat my question to you that if these public claims of NFL fixes are true, why are the perpetrators not being investigated and arrested like the Black Sox were in 1920?

[Born2Steel]

The letting gambling in thing is potentially a major issue. BUT....I wonder how much of gambling is "controlled" by organizations willing and able to put the fix in and engage in shady dealings?

I know what I think of when I think of who is behind gambling and sports books, etc. I think of gangsters and mafiosos. But is that true any longer?

I really have no idea. I have never been in to betting on sports since I am too dumb to be any good at it. I waste my money on other things

But that's just the thing. It doesn't require a controlling agent to sow the seeds of corruption on a sports field. Pro sports players make money on a scale that wagers can change the outcome games 1on1. Allowing a 3rd party wagering business to be part of pro sports only helps hide it. Doesn't even require anything shady by the wagering business itself. But now the leagues are giving these businesses direct access to the players, agents, coaches, medical staff, even owners. I just think it's a bad idea. Everything is about the money, no exceptions.

[pczach]

"Vampire troll."

What a combo!!!

[Penglose]

You expressed doubt that people who fixed NFL games would be arrested by asking how many of the people involved in any of the known sports fixing have been arrested. By recounting the story of the Black Sox I gave a partial answer to your question. Regarding the Ravens, my position is that I believe it is unlikely that what they did was part of a fix, but if it was it would be a crime.

And I repeat my question to you that if these public claims of NFL fixes are true, why are the perpetrators not being investigated and arrested like the Black Sox were in 1920?

Surely you realize that it's unprovable? You gonna prosecute a ref by telling him what he saw? Or a coach because he didn't try to score at the end of a game to cover the spread like Florida State yesterday? Even after the dumb announcer commented on how they are trying to impress the ranking people by winning by a bigger margin?

[Craic]

Troll? Did someone post a troll doll? I get to use one of my favorite pics!

[Voice of Reason]

Surely you realize that it's unprovable? You gonna prosecute a ref by telling him what he saw? Or a coach because he didn't try to score at the end of a game to cover the spread like Florida State yesterday? Even after the dumb announcer commented on how they are trying to impress the ranking people by winning by a bigger margin?

It's provable by testimony of participants, tapped phone calls and texts, sting operations by the police, bank accounts and other financial records, etc.

And if it's so unprovable, why are you so vehemently claiming that it happened?

[Mojouw]

This is starting to be like when someone believes "The Onion" is a newspaper. OK...bad analogy...no one knows what a newspaper is anymore....ummm....carry on!

[Penglose]

It's provable by testimony of participants, tapped phone calls and texts, sting operations by the police, bank accounts and other financial records, etc.

And if it's so unprovable, why are you so vehemently claiming that it happened?

Same reason I'm replying to you. That isn't vehement by the way. I suggested it, and those with arrested development dismissed it out of hand.

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This is starting to be like when someone believes "The Onion" is a newspaper. OK...bad analogy...no one knows what a newspaper is anymore....ummm....carry on!

Was it in your Highlights magazine this month?

[pczach]

This is starting to be like when someone believes "The Onion" is a newspaper. OK...bad analogy...no one knows what a newspaper is anymore....ummm....carry on!

That's a ridiculous analogy.

Now you will have to excuse me. I have to find a phone booth to make a call.

[Mojouw]

That's a ridiculous analogy.

Now you will have to excuse me. I have to find a phone booth to make a call.

You should give me a call sometime. I'm in the book.

On a side note....current generations won't get to impress their friends by learning the "trick" to ripping a phone book in half.

[tube517]

This is starting to be like when someone believes "The Onion" is a newspaper. OK...bad analogy...no one knows what a newspaper is anymore....ummm....carry on!

Wait, The Onion ain't real?

[Mojouw]

Wait, The Onion ain't real?

At this point....everything is real, I guess. I have no idea anymore....

I figure this actually probably happened: https://www.theonion.com/travis-kelc...t-w-1850942345