Not that it changed the outcome.

[Penglose]

No way of knowing that for sure. The defense was playing pretty good in the 2nd half. But there's no way on God's green earth that no ref saw that Pickett's knee was down well before the first down marker. In fact, even if it wasn't, from the view they kept showing to prove he was down, it didn't look like he made it anyway. I'm sure this will be talked about all week. And that pass interference call was iffy too. They could have left that go. Spread wise, the NFL is fixed. Period. This crap happens every week now. And wait for it. I'm a Steeler's fan. Since birth. You got a better shot of winning on the Wheel at a fair than you do betting NFL games.

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

No way of knowing that for sure. The defense was playing pretty good in the 2nd half. But there's no way on God's green earth that no ref saw that Pickett's knee was down well before the first down marker. In fact, even if it wasn't, from the view they kept showing to prove he was down, it didn't look like he made it anyway. I'm sure this will be talked about all week. And that pass interference call was iffy too. They could have left that go. Spread wise, the NFL is fixed. Period. This crap happens every week now. And wait for it. I'm a Steeler's fan. Since birth. You got a better shot of winning on the Wheel at a fair than you do betting NFL games.

I agree!! Same here

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[oneforthetoe]

I think the Rams got some breaks as well. And honestly, I think it unlikely that the Rams would have scored a TD given their offense in the fourth quarter. Call me naive but I think refs are apt to give QB's the benefit of the doubt on sneaks.

[pczach]

No way of knowing that for sure. The defense was playing pretty good in the 2nd half. But there's no way on God's green earth that no ref saw that Pickett's knee was down well before the first down marker. In fact, even if it wasn't, from the view they kept showing to prove he was down, it didn't look like he made it anyway. I'm sure this will be talked about all week. And that pass interference call was iffy too. They could have left that go. Spread wise, the NFL is fixed. Period. This crap happens every week now. And wait for it. I'm a Steeler's fan. Since birth. You got a better shot of winning on the Wheel at a fair than you do betting NFL games.

Yes, they did not get that first down. Pickett did not get to the mark.

The pass interference was a penalty. I don't car what the announcer said during the broadcast. The defender grabbed the WR before the ball got there without looking back for the ball. That's the definition of pass interference. It doesn't matter if someone thinks it was a bad throw and the ball was thrown to a different spot than intended. The WR has the right to get to the football, and a defender can't put his hands on him with his back to the ball to stop him from getting there.

They called Watt for lining up offside on a play that would have forced the Rams to punt. Lining up in the neutral zone is something that is done by every team on nearly every play. They called it on that play when the defense would have gotten off the field.

They called a complete bullshit illegal contact penalty on the Steelers that gave the Rams a first down and led to points.

There were plenty of things that went against both teams today.

[steelreserve]

If the games were fixed according to the betting spread, wouldn't that mean they were fixed not only against someone, but FOR someone as well? So if you just managed to pick the same side as them, you'd clean up.

[Mojouw]

Yes, they did not get that first down. Pickett did not get to the mark.

The pass interference was a penalty. I don't car what the announcer said during the broadcast. The defender grabbed the WR before the ball got there without looking back for the ball. That's the definition of pass interference. It doesn't matter if someone thinks it was a bad throw and the ball was thrown to a different spot than intended. The WR has the right to get to the football, and a defender can't put his hands on him with his back to the ball to stop him from getting there.

They called Watt for lining up offside on a play that would have forced the Rams to punt. Lining up in the neutral zone is something that is done by every team on nearly every play. They called it on that play when the defense would have gotten off the field.

They called a complete bullshit illegal contact penalty on the Steelers that gave the Rams a first down and led to points.

There were plenty of things that went against both teams today.

It was an oddly officiated game. Lots of things called that you see get let go week in and week out. Lots of things not called that could have been. I think I saw multiple holds on either side not called. But, I think Madden used to say you can find holding on every play.

[Dwinsgames]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/238275892554576

every game is suspect if you wanna look for it

[Penglose]

If the games were fixed according to the betting spread, wouldn't that mean they were fixed not only against someone, but FOR someone as well? So if you just managed to pick the same side as them, you'd clean up.

Yes. In a nutshell. If betting is equal for both teams, bookies get 10 percent. Just for an example, if there's a million bet on the Rams, and 200,000 bet on the Steelers, and you can bet the totals are infinitely higher than that, and the Rams win, can the bookies pay off the Ram's winners with that 10 percent of 200,000? Not even close. If the Steelers win in that scenario, the bookies clean up. Gambling has ruined the game. The NFL used to get bookies and ex bookies on the pregame shows to throw up the stupid public. In summation, they're fixed so the people that make money off the games, make money. Hint: When a team can't win in your mind, bet them. If they can't lose, bet against them. If we only had access to the betting totals before the games.

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https://www.facebook.com/reel/238275892554576

every game is suspect if you wanna look for it

Exactly.

[DuckHodges]

NFL is basically the WWE now lol

[ShadesOfSteel1172]

NFL is basically the WWE now lol

For entertainment purposes as Coach T said "we have to keep our fans entertained"

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[Voice of Reason]

I know it's tempting to say that NFL games are fixed, but I don't buy it, at least not widespread. The main reason I don't buy it is that the NFL and its teams make billions of dollars, the casinos and bookies who accept bets on NFL games make billions of dollars, the TV networks that carry NFL games make billions of dollars, and having a betting scandal in the NFL would kill the goose that laid the golden egg. The money lost if fans lost confidence in the integrity of the NFL would dwarf any gains that would be made by anyone in any of these entities.

Also, have you ever heard the saying "the only way two people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead"? The number of people that would have to be in on it if NFL games were regularly fixed, whether it be players, coaches, or referees, would be staggering, and there is no way on God's green earth that all these people could know that something like this is going on without somebody spilling the beans and the word getting out.

Regarding the Steelers game, if the refs were fixing the game and wanted to make sure the Steelers got that first down at the end, why would they have called the taunting penalty on DJ in the first place? If they ignore it, which they easily could have done without anyone being the wiser, the Steelers have the game-clinching first down right there.

I'm not saying that there's never been an NFL game that's been fixed, but claiming that there's a giant conspiracy to do this on a regular basis is absurd.

[Mojouw]

And we have the winner!

The cost and logistics to fix all NFL games on the regular would be almost impossible. Plus keeping everyone who was in the know quiet? Totally impossible. They would run out of holes in the desert to put people into.

[steelreserve]

Yes. In a nutshell. If betting is equal for both teams, bookies get 10 percent. Just for an example, if there's a million bet on the Rams, and 200,000 bet on the Steelers, and you can bet the totals are infinitely higher than that, and the Rams win, can the bookies pay off the Ram's winners with that 10 percent of 200,000? Not even close. If the Steelers win in that scenario, the bookies clean up. Gambling has ruined the game. The NFL used to get bookies and ex bookies on the pregame shows to throw up the stupid public. In summation, they're fixed so the people that make money off the games, make money. Hint: When a team can't win in your mind, bet them. If they can't lose, bet against them. If we only had access to the betting totals before the games.

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Exactly.

If you look at the last 20+ years of results, the overwhelming pattern is that the bottom teams in the league (think 4 wins or fewer, maybe 5 now) only cover the point spread about 30 to 35 percent of the time. People get psyched up to bet on the favorite and the line reflects that, but there's a limit to how big the line can get before people think it's too much for any game and won't bet the favorite. The result being that the maximum point spread often caps out well below the actual difference between the two teams. It's all psychology.

[Penglose]

I know it's tempting to say that NFL games are fixed, but I don't buy it, at least not widespread.

I'm not saying it's widespread. When games are bet equally on both sides, the bookies make good money. They lay off money from Pittsburgh to whatever city they're playing and if it's equal on both sides, play the game. But many games are lopsided in betting and they won't take a beating. And I suggest you google "Players talk about scripting games" on Youtube and listen to them talk about getting scripts before the seasom starts.

The main reason I don't buy it is that the NFL and its teams make billions of dollars, the casinos and bookies who accept bets on NFL games make billions of dollars, the TV networks that carry NFL games make billions of dollars, and having a betting scandal in the NFL would kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

This league would die without the betting aspect. They used to have bookies on the pregame shows.

........

[Mojouw]

So I did the exact quoted Google. All the results I could find were players that specifically indicated it was joke.

Is there a secret Google I need to look at?

[Penglose]

If you really wanted to find it, you would have.

(67) Former NFL player Arian Foster admits the NFL is rigged - YouTube

(67) NFL Players Review 2022 Script - YouTube

(67) Former NFL Player Dwight Smith EXPOSES NFL For RIGGING Games!!! - YouTube

The game ain't decided on the field. Football is entertainment. Dwight Smith says.

[Mojouw]

If you really wanted to find it, you would have.

(67) Former NFL player Arian Foster admits the NFL is rigged - YouTube

(67) NFL Players Review 2022 Script - YouTube

(67) Former NFL Player Dwight Smith EXPOSES NFL For RIGGING Games!!! - YouTube

The game ain't decided on the field. Football is entertainment. Dwight Smith says.

You know those are satire, right? Right?

I mean 2 of the 3 were originally posted as satire. And I found all of those and the sites that discussed how the players were in on the joke.

[86WARD]

You know those are satire, right? Right?

I mean 2 of the 3 were originally posted as satire. And I found all of those and the sites that discussed how the players were in on the joke.

[Penglose]

You know those are satire, right? Right?

I mean 2 of the 3 were originally posted as satire. And I found all of those and the sites that discussed how the players were in on the joke.

Two things. One, your original comment on the wrong google, should have addressed the wrong person using it. Secondly, go ahead and show your proof of what you claim. Show me the originals. I know players in all the sports make jokes about how the games are fixed. You and I guess 86Ward should remain blissfully ignorant of how the world works. I won't interfere with you two. You ever hear of the saying, "You're so mercifully free from the ravages of intelligence"?

[Mojouw]

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/202...spiracy-theory

It is literally the first thing in your oen suggested Google search.

Should we have a spelling contest next?

[Mojouw]

And as long as we're throwing out well witn quotes:

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” - Carl Sagan

[86WARD]

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/202...spiracy-theory

It is literally the first thing in your oen suggested Google search.

Should we have a spelling contest next?

[fansince'76]

Two things. One, your original comment on the wrong google, should have addressed the wrong person using it. Secondly, go ahead and show your proof of what you claim. Show me the originals. I know players in all the sports make jokes about how the games are fixed. You and I guess 86Ward should remain blissfully ignorant of how the world works. I won't interfere with you two. You ever hear of the saying, "You're so mercifully free from the ravages of intelligence"?

Pro tip: Someone who is so obviously clueless as to how the burden of proof actually works should probably avoid casting aspersions on the intelligence of others.

The more you know...

[Penglose]

This is how you know you got a liberal cornered. Or another word for liberal is someone who doesn't know shit from shinola, and can't sustain a debate. Suddenly, it's spell checking and grammer. If this genius was any smarter than the first genius, he could have provided the proof. Instead, he resorts to spell checking. Means he has nothing and it low I.Q.

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On wondrous one. They don't leave a trail of cookies like Red Riding Hood. I made the accusation, and did provide words and video right from the players mouths. The third video he keeps correcting the guy who tries to steer him away from the claim. I provided the best proof available, but being a man-child like you apparently are, ignored what proof I had and it wasn't circumstantial, and the person denying his lying eyes, and his minion, man-boy, haven't provided anything they claim. You are just a lost cause who heard in 7th grade civics, some terminology that you apparently don't understand anyway, so no use talking to you. But I do give you credit for knowing a bit about civics, even though your teachers didn't make sure you understand it.

[fansince'76]

On wondrous one. They don't leave a trail of cookies like Red Riding Hood. I made the accusation, and did provide words and video right from the players mouths. The third video he keeps correcting the guy who tries to steer him away from the claim. I provided the best proof available, but being a man-child like you apparently are, ignored what proof I had and it wasn't circumstantial, and the person denying his lying eyes, and his minion, man-boy, haven't provided anything they claim. You are just a lost cause who heard in 7th grade civics, some terminology that you apparently don't understand anyway, so no use talking to you. But I do give you credit for knowing a bit about civics, even though your teachers didn't make sure you understand it.

Very impressive word salad. Thing is, your "proof" was roundly debunked as satire, and as such, isn't really "proof" at all.

Dunning-Kruger much?

And another thing, keep the political bullshit in the Soapbox. First and last warning.

[Mojouw]

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nfl-p...d-out-facility

Chargers getting in on the false-flag ops: https://youtu.be/5_5MZU-dyK8?si=E9IrGL0GXcZ5HdxY

Overall, the "fixing" of the NFL makes no sense. The most (in)famous example of fixing in American pro sports, required a prominent team to be totally dissatisfied with its compensation from ownership. Now, we can argue that many in the NFL are. So perhaps those players would be ripe for the approach? But....in 1919 it was the star players who were pissed. Guys that could really impact the game. In the modern NFL...it is the guys who are in the league for 3 years or less that are getting the raw financial deal. The stars that can really change the course of a game are making close to "fuck you" money in many cases. So how would gamblers get their in?

Further, in 1919, gambling was all illegal and readily controlled by various syndicates and mob outfits. The whole "organized" part of organized crime. And when the Black Sox threatened to back-out of the deal for lack of cash, the syndicate sent some dudes to scare the crap out of their families. Is Draft Kings gonna go to NFL players' homes and start breaking kneecaps?

Also, off-season rosters are 90 but usually well north of 100 cycle on and off the roster before cutdowns. When do "new" guys know that they can stop busting their hump and destroying their bodies because the fix is in? Rookie orientation? Organized team activities? Mini-camp? Or the week before the first regular season game? Also how would you keep some back-up lineman that lasts a handful of games in the league quiet? Dude probably took home like $100K if he was lucky. That is nothing against what a whistle-blower book deal and movie rights would garner.

It would cost more to rig the NFL than the gamblers would lose in an un-rigged league. Also....sports books aren't losing money. I mean I guess you keep hearing about all these legal betting places that go under. And there is a lot of shady looking dudes in track suits out of work in my local bar....so maybe its all true?

[Penglose]

Very impressive word salad. Thing is, your "proof" was roundly debunked as satire, and as such, isn't really "proof" at all.

Dunning-Kruger much?

And another thing, keep the political bullshit in the Soapbox. First and last warning.

Because someone said it was satire? O.K. I'll play by those rules. I say it's not satire, so now it's not. Settled.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

The Steelers were founded on gambling.
In 1936, Rooney won a parlay at Saratoga Race Course, which netted him about $160,000. He placed the bet based on a tip from New York Giants owner Tim Mara, a ... What does that tell ya?

[fansince'76]

Exactly how does one "script" plays like the Immaculate Reception, or The Catch, or the Sea of Hands, among a slew of others?

Obviously scripted:





I wonder how long Terry Bradshaw, Lynn Swann and Mark Washington secretly rehearsed that to get it just right?

[Voice of Reason]

If you really wanted to find it, you would have.

(67) Former NFL player Arian Foster admits the NFL is rigged - YouTube

(67) NFL Players Review 2022 Script - YouTube

(67) Former NFL Player Dwight Smith EXPOSES NFL For RIGGING Games!!! - YouTube

The game ain't decided on the field. Football is entertainment. Dwight Smith says.

So if all these people are publicly admitting the NFL is rigged, how many of the people who did the rigging have been arrested?