It’s not just me saying KP bails from clean pockets. TV crew has said it last three weeks. Alex K has broken it down multiple times over past two years. Several other places have pointed out multiple examples.Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
It’s far from the biggest or most important thing on the list. But when you’re this broken, everything matters. And this is a real thing. And it’s a problem.
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KP needs a coach that works with him on pocket awareness. But at this point, the offense looks so completely out of sorts that nobody seems to trust anyone else to either do the right thing or if they even know what is supposed to happen on the plays. I can see now that Robinson’s wisdom probably helped last week and the reason he caught so many passes. Plays broke down and he is the elder with the knowledge on what to do in those instances. The other guys are too green and run the terrible play Crapnada “designed” (aka stole from his kids peewee coaches car) with zero effectiveness.
I haven’t noticed that - certainly not this game. Those were not clean pockets Kenny was escaping from. There was a free pass rusher or the line being pushed back every time that I saw KP trying to escape. Even on the Nelson interception where KP hung in a fast collapsing pocket he had no room to step into his throw. I’m not saying your a Canada defender but this is the argument Canada apologists will use, and from what I see, it’s not true.
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You can read a variety of pre-draft scouting reports and watch several youtube video breakdowns from the pre-draft cycle his year and you can watch how many of his big plays come from rolling right and flinging it to Addison. He got away with it in college and you just can't do that nonsense in the NFL. Once you see it, you can't stop noticing it.
i just saw a few videos of where he leaves a seeming clean pocket last year - no videos on this game except Korza just saying he left clean pockets. Again, i didn't see that, and i watched replays a few times. Those are replays from the side, maybe a replay from behind KP shows a seam he can move into. Again, this year, to me, its mostly poor line play. Its killing the running game too. How many times is Najee getting hit in the backfield? Getting back to the passing, I don't see what KP himself can do except maybe when the pocket is collapsing try to take off upfield instead of scrambling to the outside to buy more time. And like i keep saying, where's Canada's adjustments? No RB to dump a pass off to, no shotgun formation quick passes, (i guess Canada likes to run shotgun when a yard is needed for a first).
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One aspect of pocket awareness is the clock in your head. KP knows once he stands in one spot for a 3count he has to move to a different spot. We can argue if he should have rolled out, stepped up, ran with it, whatever. But his ‘scrambling’ is part of his pocket awareness. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Bigger question to me is why is KP holding the ball so long? We were running a quick throw offense with Ben getting the ball out in under 3secs. Now we have KP holding onto the ball until he takes the hit.
They do have a few plays where KP releases quick. Those plays are usually double covered and it’s thrown there and incomplete.
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How about the play action roll out where the unblocked defender is there before Kenny even turns back around...
Exactly. This is a college one-read offensive system. And Defenses already know ahead of time pre-snap where the ball is going. So our "quick passing game" is smoke and mirrors.
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This is so obviously not a one read system. We have taken more deep shots this season already than I can remember from all last season.
We send a guy in motion and the defense already knows that player is either getting the ball or is getting into position to be the lead blocker. Easy defensive read. Nobody goes in motion the defense knows that usually means pass. Another easy defensive read.
It is at times. The fact that all the QBs in this offense are making the same exact “mistakes” is a big tell…but then again…it’s not really “reading” but “doing”. It’s a one-do offense…
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Only KP has been the QB this season. Trubisky came in once Kenny got hurt but the game was decided by then. So not the same mistakes. What is the tell, is the plays are being called out by every defense we play. Kenny cannot consistently throw vs a zone. He just doesn’t have the accuracy. Maybe he has someone he likes on a particular play, but the offense is not just one read then make up something.
It’s been the same mistake for three seasons. Drop back and throw to a particular receiver. There’s no read…the play is the play.
Watch Trubisky come in and you'll get some success, then watch Defenses adjust and slowly you'll start to see the same results. The Offense is strictly capped no matter who plays it. Pickett, Trubisky, Rudolph, Ben. Ben had to take matters into his own hands and play outside the system to see success by calling his own plays.
Pickett is capped. He has reached his limit on how far this offense can go. He can do no more with it with his skillset.
Actually, there IS a read. Just one. It's already determined pre-snap where the ball is going.It’s been the same mistake for three seasons. Drop back and throw to a particular receiver. There’s no read…the play is the play.
All the Defense has to do is get on that route and stop it. Steeler Quarterbacks are DELIBERATELY told and coached to look at one guy, and if he's not open. Well just fuck it. Bail and maybe HOPE you find someone open. That's the ENTIRE structure of the Canada offense.
Take the 4th and One screw up. Najee breaks open underneath, but since he's not the READ within play structure, Pickett does not look at him. He is told to look downfield to the guy the play is designed to go to. So he has to wait and wait and stare down until its too late. If Pickett said "Screw that" and played OUT of structure, he hits Najee for an easy first down and we're not even talking about it.
The structure is build on sand, and filled with roaches and waterbugs.
Could be a blessing for Pickett that he has an injury and will miss time. He needs to sit and this isn’t Tomlin benching him…once again, an easy out for Tomlin.
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I am so happy with all these “changes” Tomlin has implemented . . .
This is not a serious coaching staff.
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It's a I have no clue what to do staff.
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JPJ should be put into the starting lineup. The CBs taken ahead of him are all playing a ton, and all are starting I believe (Witherspoon, Gonzalez, Forbes, and Deonte Banks). JPJ may make some mistakes, but I think he can play better at this point than our two starters currently.
That’s unbelievable!!! I said it all last game JPJ should be starting over Levi Wallace…it’s not even a question
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Those tweets are 100% on the money. There is no defending what is going on.
Backwards, I'd fore just for that. He's had 2.5 years of excuses and still getting worse
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For once, Edman and I agree on something. But I'm taking it a step further.
Dan Rooney died April 13, 2017 (I read of his death while in the hospital waiting room in Greenville, Pa as my stepfather was taking his breaths).
Our last playoff win was in Jan, 2017. While Dan was not actively running the Steelers for some years prior, the Steelers have not put out a competitive football team since Dan died. Every year, it gets worse and worse.
Coincidence?
said it in the Tomlin thread will say it again in the last 44 games ( 56% of the time ) 25 times the Steelers have trailed in games by 2 or more scores ....
this isnt totally do to poor scheme as the head coach you are paid to look for and find trends and exploit or exterminate them and Mike Tomlin has done neither ....
Chuck Noll had it happen .....
Bill Cowher had it happen ....
Mike Tomlin is in the midst of it happening ....
at some point when you have been someplace so long you FIND comfort (no need to seek what you have already found)...
You simply can not have stats like this and ignore them and expect it to change .... allowing it to continue means you have got to comfortable and no longer fear consequences .... I was never more of a FIRE Mike Tomlin guy than I am as I sit here today... inaction is a fatal flaw
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Since Tomlin has been here I've never, not once called for him to be fired. I'm starting to think they may need to blow this whole thing up and start over.
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Agreed
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I've been thinking about it for a few years now. I have always given him the benefit of the doubt, but there have been things happening that can't be explained away for a few years now. They have been things that can be handled by the head coach, yet Mike Tomlin hasn't gotten it done. For me, the moment Canada entered the locker room and they installed his offense, everything has gone downhill. He stands behind inferior coaching or players far too often. He has been making more poor decisions and then giving BS answers in press conferences. He has even been making ridiculous statements about the performances of particular players or groups of players that are flat out lies, or he doesn't even know what it's supposed to look like on the field anymore.
This season, he doesn't even look like the same guy to me at the podium. His BS has gotten to the point that he looks small and hollow. His words don't ring true the way they once did. He is grasping far too often and has the look of a man that is reaching his end here. He no longer has answers to too many questions.
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Yeah, I watched that press conference and it was not good. Just a different vibe that I can't explain. Yes, the usual cliches were there but it was meh.
This is the problem I brought up a few years back. This is his biggest weakness…by far….
Nothing changes about this team until the coaching staff is replaced.
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