No, he was coming off surgery. There is a difference between healthy and and being cleared to play.Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Tomlin says a lot of things. He said they had an open competition for the QB position last camp and we all know it was Mitch’s job to lose.
If the coaches had any confidence in KP, he would’ve been playing.
They didn’t and they don’t.
Early in their careers? I’d still say no they wouldn’t be benched for Rudolph or a hot hand.
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Tomlin always promotes competition in practice and training camp…always…
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C’mon man! You know the difference. How many times did Tomlin announce that he was bringing in competition for Ben?
Ben is a bad example…he didn’t say it about Troy either.
But Tomlin says it about players every year…especially young ones. They don’t “anoint” anyone to use his words and if he has a young QB that he wants to work hard, of course he’s going to say they are bringing in competition. Why wouldn’t he say that?
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Kenny is not the hands down QB1 past TC. I don't care if it is him or not. What I do care about is that the Steelers have a functioning offense in 2024. Ben would not be headed into TC expecting 'competition'. The majority of Steelers starting QBs over the years did not walk into 'competition' at TC. The fact that this has been made known to the world, and not just kept n house, tells me the coaches and FO are not happy with the situation at QB1 currently. Why should i care about the cost? Bring back Mason, bring in Wilson, trade for Fields, draft a 1st round rookie QB, and talk Brady out of retirement. This is the one position you cannot have wrong.
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I’m sorry but there’s an unwritten rule that you don’t talk about your starting quarterback in a way that he has to look over his shoulder. Just give me one example of a coach on any team who does that when he has an established starter.
I am trying to figure out why / how Ben is a bad example other than a poster trying to backwalk a statement ....
Tomlin took over as Head coach here in 2007 Ben was 25 years old ....
Kenny is 25 years old ............
so if Kenny is young so was Ben ....being Young is not the difference and we both know that , the difference is level of success one had a lot of it and the other has had very little....
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Chuck Noll.
Ben was a Super Bowl winning QB. He wasn’t a third year guy. Was a starter for quite some time. Totally different situation…Ben was an established starter. I’m not sure Kenny was an established starter. I’m not sure any of the three were ever an “established starter”.
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Okay. 50 years ago a coach did that. Nothing has changed in the NFL since then.
Good Point.
Cleared to play and healthy should mean the same thing. If a guy is cleared to play and the coach doesn’t play him it’s not due to actual health reasons. More like who can give me the best chance to win reasons.
Yes, you cannot have the Quarterback position wrong, because the Steelers never really made a viable attempt to get it right. They were going into 2022, staring into the abyss with a rookie QB and pissed down their pant leg. Quick! Sign a veteran Mitch Trubisky to a deal and insert him as the starter!
Now they're stuck with a QB entering his third year, and they have no clue what he's about. If Pittsburgh just went and inserted Pickett as the starter, he would've been much further along seeing if he's any good or not. Who knows, by now Pickett would probably be gone. But it's not Kenny's fault for the Steelers Organizational ineptitude.
The biggest problem for the steelers was to keep Canada for one more season....This decision is a true disaster at so many level and it was obvious from the start.Right now Pickett has the Matt Canada excuse...If Canada would been fired after 2022,one of the 2 things would happen for sure.....Either we can build around Pickett if he would been good or he is terrible no matter what
I can't trust Pickett for the future but the Matt Canada is a excuse right now for him and the steelers could avoid it by fired Canada after 2022...or during the 2022 season for that matter....
people can downplay Mason and his play as a steelers all they want but the bottom line is he managed to lead us to 3 consecutive wins and that is something that had not been done Since Ben was under center... he also led the team to back to back 30 point performances , again something that had not been done since Ben was under center ...
is he the Savior of our QB room moving forward if we manage to sign him in FA? who knows but he gives us as good of a chance or better than KP does based on the above
I personally would like a more consorted effort of securing the QB of the future my issue is I do not trust Mike Tomlins ability to evaluate the situation , he kept Canada well past his expiration date , he left what looked like the teams best option at QB rot on the bench most of the season .... there is nothing in that scenario that gives me any amount of confidence that he is the guy that should control the destiny of our QB room
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
100%
Nobody can ultimately say for sure what KP is capable or incapable of because of this right here.
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Just because we fans say the Steelers have no idea what they have with KP doesn’t make it true. The people involved in putting that team together to win games know exactly what they have with KP. This is what they do. Fans only see gamedays and game stats. When they come out and publicly say there is going to be QB competition, they know what they have currently at QB. Fans do not know the team better than the coaches and FO.
as bad as Canada was (and he was awful) he wasn't the guy missing open receivers by 3 to 5 yards 5 yards or less from the LOS ...Canada wasn't the guy missing wide open WR's running free downfield and then throwing into double coverage ..Canada wasnt the guy staring down his targets from the time the ball was snapped until it was released , that was all on #8
Did Canada put him in the best position , no but he also didnt do the above...
I can agree (in fact I may have been the first guy here to criticize Canada) I know for sure I was one of the most vocal about him being kept on for year 2 so I know Canada has his downfalls and short comings as well as anyone but I refuse to blame play on the field on him beyond the play call itself ...Pickett couldnt control the hand he was dealt but he could control how he played it .......
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Everything you said is true as well.
This past season was probably the worst I have ever seen an offense perform at any level. It was just comically bad.
Last season in the first 14 games,the steelers had their worst PPG since the rookie season of Terry Bradshaw in 1970!
Yeah, sometimes it seemed to be so bad that it couldn't even be real. Like a script for a movie kind of bad.
and they had no play makers then, thats pre Harris , pre swann / stallworth
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
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That sounds good and should be true. But often in sports, it simply isn't true. The fans and the evaluators see the results. You are what your results say you are. Did Tomlin see that special something in Mitch Trubisky that we couldn't see?
Kyle Orton was established before Tim Tebow that was an announced competition. Josh McDaniels.
Phil Sims was established and then the competition after Hostetler won the Super Bowl. Bill Parcells.
Kurt Warner/Matt Leinart went back and forth. Dennis Green and Ken Whisenhunt.
There may be more but i can’t think of them right now.
It happens. If your asking when was the last time a Hall of Fame QB was in a QB competition…maybe Peyton Manning?
This is nothing new for Tomlin…he did the same with Jarvis Jones and James Harrison. James Harrison and TJ Watt. It’s part of Tomlin’s regular “coach speak”. It’s not a bad thing to put every player into a competition.
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I can’t say what Coach saw or didn’t see. I 100% agree the results on game day were unacceptable. I’m saying there is more to game day than just the games. It’s more likely MT had the practices, gameplan execution, and other things along those lines down and looked ready all week. Then just shit the bed under live fire. But I really don’t know, and neither does any other fan on here.
But that ship has sailed, or been sunk. MT was released. Enough is enough. Lots of people interview great then can’t pull off the job. I think Kenny is in a sink or swim situation right now. Don’t know that, just reading the situation. I think Tomlin drew the line in the sand with his competition comment. It’s Kenny’s to win or lose now. If Tomlin had the confidence in Kenny, I don’t think he would have made that announcement. But could be way off.
So you believe Kendrick Green won the C competition his rookie year? Mitch actually won the QB gig? Harvin won the P gig every year?
C’mon.. you can’t believe that. There are clearly times when we haven’t given the best player the gig and its one of the head scratchers about this staff.
I think Tomlin is just trying to let Kenny know he needs to step up and take over now that Canada is gone.
We gave him the perfect opportunity to close out the season and Kenny runs into another injury.
I still think its Kenny’s job to lose which is why Tomlin said Kenny is QB1 going into 2024.
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I think it’s Kenny’s job to lose as well. He’s also the only QB under contract currently. What else is his designation going to be? Kenny is QB1 now, and until someone takes his spot. That’s how I read it anyway. If we were headed into FA, Draft and TC season with Ben, there would be no announcement of QB competition. I think that is the telling difference.
And it was the pre 1978 rules too!
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