The Kenny Pickett Thread

[DesertSteel]

Every team has holes. QB is the differentiator. I know football purists want to make it about the other 21 Jimmys and Joes, but without a franchise QB you aint going anywhere. And having one elevates a team beyond their deficiencies.

As an example, what’s the difference between the Texans last year vs. this year??

[Steeler-in-west]

Every team has holes. QB is the differentiator. I know football purists want to make it about the other 21 Jimmys and Joes, but without a franchise QB you aint going anywhere. And having one elevates a team beyond their deficiencies.

As an example, what’s the difference between the Texans last year vs. this year??

an easier schedule ?

[86WARD]

The Steelers and most of the NFL arent going to make any knee jerk reactions about a QB that hasnt finished his 2nd year in the league. Basically the recent timeline has been this:

- WEEK 11, Steelers fire Matt Canada and Kenny Pickett lead offense goes for 421 yards of Offense V Bengals! (278 yards passing). Fans think the corner is turned without Canada.
- WEEK 12, Picket injured, Trubisky in reclief and Steelers lose to Cardinals. Fans think sky is falling.
- WEEK 15 Rudolph gets start, puts up 397 Yds vs Bengals! (290 yds passing) Fans think Mason Rudolph is the next great Steelers QB.
- WEEK 16 Pickett doesnt dress. Mark Madden says Kenny is a bad teammate, with no credible sources. Fans hate Kenny. Steelers beat Seahawks.

The optimism from week 11 to the disdain for Pickett in week 15 is irrational. The Steelers, and almost no NFL team will not act that irrationally and move on from a QB 1.5 years in his career. Not just the Steeler way, IMO.

I believe Pickett was 7/10 for 70 yards before being injured in the Cardinals game?

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Every team has holes. QB is the differentiator. I know football purists want to make it about the other 21 Jimmys and Joes, but without a franchise QB you aint going anywhere. And having one elevates a team beyond their deficiencies.

As an example, what’s the difference between the Texans last year vs. this year??

For sure you need a franchise QB in most cases to get far in playoffs, but we can all get our Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, Trent Dilfer exceptions. Can also get the Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Dan Fouts HOF guys that didnt have enough Jimmy or Joes around them to win it all.

Franchise QB's dont grow on trees, this is a 1980's kind of rebuild to find the next one and you know my eval that Pickett upside is Matt Hasselbeck, but with enough players and good coaching Hasselbeck got to the SB without being what we would call elite. Next year we will get a better chance to see if he can be Hasselbeck or Mike Tomczak.

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I believe Pickett was 7/10 for 70 yards before being injured in the Cardinals game?

Mmmm-Kay.

[Mojouw]

For me, last nights Dolphins performance demonstrates the need for a QB more than even scheme.

Tua’s limitations were on full display last night from the highlight packages I could find. Maybe those plays were not fair to him. I don’t know.

And McDaniels couldn’t scheme around those limitations even with an absolutely loaded offense.

And if we want to attribute it all to the extreme weather conditions; that’s fine because these issues have been there for the Dolphins most of the second half of the season.

Innovative scheme is awesome and should be a goal for any team. But it seems the Dolphins are showing us that having a limited QB may be too hard to consistently overcome.

Next up is the Steelers and Rudolph. And next round we get to see Purdy’s playoff debut.

[86WARD]

Sometimes it works out, but you are correct.

I dont think the QB needs to be the TOP-TIER Franchise type, but you need to have a QB that is "Top-10" in order to succeed in the playoffs. You also have to have Top-10 coaching to supplement that. The thing about the QB position this year...out of the 32 teams, there may not be ten "TOP-10" QBs out there...there might only be 2-3 right now (Allen, Mahomes, Prescott) and even that might be arguable right now.

Is there a Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers comparison in 2023? I don't think there is. I'm not sure if you added Eli and Rivers to those 5 and took two out that there would be a comparison.

QB play in 2023 is of a lesser quality...by far IMO...especially in an age where they make it easier for that group.

[polamalubeast]

an easier schedule ?

Stroud and the coaching staff deserve so much credit...The texans had only 11 wins between 2020 to 2022

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Sometimes it works out, but you are correct.

I dont think the QB needs to be the TOP-TIER Franchise type, but you need to have a QB that is "Top-10" in order to succeed in the playoffs. You also have to have Top-10 coaching to supplement that. The thing about the QB position this year...out of the 32 teams, there may not be ten "TOP-10" QBs out there...there might only be 2-3 right now (Allen, Mahomes, Prescott) and even that might be arguable right now.

Is there a Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers comparison in 2023? I don't think there is. I'm not sure if you added Eli and Rivers to those 5 and took two out that there would be a comparison.

QB play in 2023 is of a lesser quality...by far IMO...especially in an age where they make it easier for that group.

Yeah,you can win with a top 10 QB,you also need the QB can step up in big moment

Flacco and Foles have won the super bowl in the past but they were also able to step up big time in big moment....I don't think you can compete for a super bowl with a Trent Dilfer in the current NFL....The 49ers had been close twice with Jimmy G but the 49ers had a A+ roster and coaching staff....This is very hard to have both...For the most part,no team is perfect and the QB and coaching staff need to be able to overcome the holes if you want to go far in the playoffs

Yes Blake Bortles have been far one time in the playoffs but it was a one hit wonder,maybe the biggest in NFL history

[Mojouw]

For me, top 10-12 is a “franchise QB”. Everyone’s opinion can and will differ.

And that’s what it likely takes to be a consistent playoff team and/or contender.

Clever and innovative coaching on offense as well as surrounding your QB with professional jimmys and joes is important as well. But without the WB it’s just a waste of time and resources.

[polamalubeast]

For me, top 10-12 is a “franchise QB”. Everyone’s opinion can and will differ.

And that’s what it likely takes to be a consistent playoff team and/or contender.

Clever and innovative coaching on offense as well as surrounding your QB with professional jimmys and joes is important as well. But without the WB it’s just a waste of time and resources.

Maybe I am stupid but what it mean WB?

[Bluecoat96]

Speaking of quarterbacks, JJ McCarthy declared for the draft. I saw late first/early 2nd round. I think he'll climb draft board. So much upside with him.

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[Mojouw]

Maybe I am stupid but what it mean WB?

It means I can’t type on my phone. Should be QB.

I’m increasingly bad at using technology.

[Steeler-in-west]

Stroud and the coaching staff deserve so much credit...The texans had only 11 wins between 2020 to 2022

I was joking, should’ve put lol at the end

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We still don’t know what we have in KP, I want to say he could be a franchise QB, but the injuries are concerning

it‘ll be a very interesting off season, we could have a new coach, should have a new OC, and could have a new starting QB and MR could be starting for the dolphins or saints

[steelcityboyz]

I was joking, should’ve put lol at the end

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We still don’t know what we have in KP, I want to say he could be a franchise QB, but the injuries are concerning

it‘ll be a very interesting off season, we could have a new coach, should have a new OC, and could have a new starting QB and MR could be starting for the dolphins or saints

OC is a must. The Steelers need to do their homework to find a quality OC.

[DesertSteel]

For sure you need a franchise QB in most cases to get far in playoffs, but we can all get our Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, Trent Dilfer exceptions. Can also get the Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Dan Fouts HOF guys that didnt have enough Jimmy or Joes around them to win it all.

Franchise QB's dont grow on trees, this is a 1980's kind of rebuild to find the next one and you know my eval that Pickett upside is Matt Hasselbeck, but with enough players and good coaching Hasselbeck got to the SB without being what we would call elite. Next year we will get a better chance to see if he can be Hasselbeck or Mike Tomczak.

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Mmmm-Kay.

I’m waiting for Matt Hasslebeck to show up!!

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Sometimes it works out, but you are correct.

I dont think the QB needs to be the TOP-TIER Franchise type, but you need to have a QB that is "Top-10" in order to succeed in the playoffs. You also have to have Top-10 coaching to supplement that. The thing about the QB position this year...out of the 32 teams, there may not be ten "TOP-10" QBs out there...there might only be 2-3 right now (Allen, Mahomes, Prescott) and even that might be arguable right now.

Is there a Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers comparison in 2023? I don't think there is. I'm not sure if you added Eli and Rivers to those 5 and took two out that there would be a comparison.

QB play in 2023 is of a lesser quality...by far IMO...especially in an age where they make it easier for that group.

Top 10 is a franchise quarterback.

[86WARD]

For me, top 10-12 is a “franchise QB”. Everyone’s opinion can and will differ.

And that’s what it likely takes to be a consistent playoff team and/or contender.

Clever and innovative coaching on offense as well as surrounding your QB with professional jimmys and joes is important as well. But without the WB it’s just a waste of time and resources.

That wouldnt be the same definition for me. Top-5 is franchise in my book. I’m not seeing Franchise QB play around the league. Not Top 10 type play. Even the franchise guys have been meh for lengths of time…

There’s elite which would be Top-5 in my book and then there’s another tier…where most of those guys are the same interchangeable type players. That’s just my definition.

[Rocky Mtn.]

Every team has holes. QB is the differentiator. I know football purists want to make it about the other 21 Jimmys and Joes, but without a franchise QB you aint going anywhere. And having one elevates a team beyond their deficiencies.

As an example, what’s the difference between the Texans last year vs. this year??

Really looking like the Packers have theirs.

[DesertSteel]

Really looking like the Packers have theirs.

That's a team that knows how to draft and develop quarterbacks... and when to move on. If Ben had played for the Packers, he likely would have spent the last three years of his career elsewhere.

[hawaiiansteeler]

That's a team that knows how to draft and develop quarterbacks...

maybe it should serve as a reminder to us to be more patient with our QB's development.

Packers didn't give up on Jordan Love after his second season, we shouldn't give up on Kenny Pickett yet either.

[polamalubeast]

I always thought it was a waste of time to have your future QB on the bench for 1-3 years but I have to admit with the success the Packers had with Rodgers and now Love, I'm going to change idea

And who knows how it helped Mahomes to be on the bench in his first season

[cubanstogie]

I always thought it was a waste of time to have your future QB on the bench for 1-3 years but I have to admit with the success the Packers had with Rodgers and now Love, I'm going to change idea

And who knows how it helped Mahomes to be on the bench in his first season

On the flip side you have Stroud. Thats an aberration though.

[polamalubeast]

On the flip side you have Stroud. Thats an aberration though.

True but he was a second overall pick....Mahomes was 10th,Rodgers 24th and Love 26th draft pick

[Mojouw]

maybe it should serve as a reminder to us to be more patient with our QB's development.

Packers didn't give up on Jordan Love after his second season, we shouldn't give up on Kenny Pickett yet either.

Hard to give up on someone who wasn’t playing.

This is Love’s rookie year essentially.

[DesertSteel]

maybe it should serve as a reminder to us to be more patient with our QB's development.

Packers didn't give up on Jordan Love after his second season, we shouldn't give up on Kenny Pickett yet either.

There’s more than patience involved in Green Bay. The Steelers organization is the most patient of all 32 teams. It’s inconsequential what fan forums think.

[pczach]

Every team has holes. QB is the differentiator. I know football purists want to make it about the other 21 Jimmys and Joes, but without a franchise QB you aint going anywhere. And having one elevates a team beyond their deficiencies.

As an example, what’s the difference between the Texans last year vs. this year??

An incredible draft that included a franchise quarterback and a great, new coach.....and obviously re-signing a great slot CB/S that the Steelers signed for 5 minutes and then released because they didn't need him.

[DesertSteel]

An incredible draft that included a franchise quarterback and a great, new coach.....and obviously re-signing a great slot CB/S that the Steelers signed for 5 minutes and then released because they didn't need him.

I rank Stroud as a top 3 QB already.

[pczach]

I rank Stroud as a top 3 QB already.

Stroud is awesome. It's hard to argue that he isn't in that conversation.

[Voice of Reason]

That's a team that knows how to draft and develop quarterbacks... and when to move on. If Ben had played for the Packers, he likely would have spent the last three years of his career elsewhere.

A lot of people on here have been criticizing the Steelers for not getting Kenny ready to start from the get-go, like the Bengals did with Burrow. But the Packers have let their young QB's sit for years before giving them the keys to the kingdom. So what's the right way to do it?

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maybe it should serve as a reminder to us to be more patient with our QB's development.

Packers didn't give up on Jordan Love after his second season, we shouldn't give up on Kenny Pickett yet either.

That's what I've been saying all along.

[Steeler-in-west]

What a crazy season it’s been regarding Kenny and the QB room

KP - more uncertainty now than before the season. And this was supposed to be the year we found if he was the guy.

2. we did find out that Mitch is not a good backup and that MR is

3. keeping Canada for this season was a big mistake - I think it set us back one year

4. Tomlin gets to keep his winning season streak alive.

[DesertSteel]

A lot of people on here have been criticizing the Steelers for not getting Kenny ready to start from the get-go, like the Bengals did with Burrow. But the Packers have let their young QB's sit for years before giving them the keys to the kingdom. So what's the right way to do it?

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That's what I've been saying all along.

We really don’t know that guys that waited would not have been good if they played sooner. No way to know. Guys like Burrow and Stroud played immediately. Others waited and played well. But many who waited stunk.

[feltdizz]

Every team has holes. QB is the differentiator. I know football purists want to make it about the other 21 Jimmys and Joes, but without a franchise QB you aint going anywhere. And having one elevates a team beyond their deficiencies.

As an example, what’s the difference between the Texans last year vs. this year??

An extra first round pick to spend on defense that might get them Rookie DPOY? lol

New head coach and staff?

Easy schedule









and Stroud lol

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A lot of people on here have been criticizing the Steelers for not getting Kenny ready to start from the get-go, like the Bengals did with Burrow. But the Packers have let their young QB's sit for years before giving them the keys to the kingdom. So what's the right way to do it?

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That's what I've been saying all along.

There is no one way to know if a QB is ready. I felt like with the QB room Kenny should’ve been the starter day 1 on camp.

I think in hindsight, Tomlin and company ruined the QB room with Mitch. Sorry, not sorry.. that guy was AWFUL!!!