The Kenny Pickett Thread

[MikeT]

I remember all those guys between Terry and Ben,

Mark Malone, Brister, the one who we cannot name, Tomzcak, even slash, I watched them all. Even unmentionable was nothing more than a good game manager except when it really counted.

I think KP has a good combination of mobility and passing that will surpass all those middling QB’s

Just my .02 cents.

KP has that "it" factor in that he doesn't shy away from the big moments. The 4th quarter comebacks show that. That's something that can not be taught and that you desperately need in a QB. The issue i see so far this year has been the timing and decision making. He has been slow in making his decisions and then the accuracy has been off. All those things can improve so that's good as it can all be taught and improved upon.

What we don't know and none of us do but Kenny and the team and coaches is what he is being told and coached to do. This is a questionable OC to say the least, it could have a impact on what Kenny is doing. It could be a case of a NFL coach trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Then again it could just be all Kenny. hard to say, but he did start the season off playing against two of the best defenses in the league.

Only time will tell for sure. He has shown flashes the question is if he puts it all together at some point.

[Craic]

Just my .02 cents.

KP has that "it" factor in that he doesn't shy away from the big moments. The 4th quarter comebacks show that. That's something that can not be taught and that you desperately need in a QB. The issue i see so far this year has been the timing and decision making. He has been slow in making his decisions and then the accuracy has been off. All those things can improve so that's good as it can all be taught and improved upon.

What we don't know and none of us do but Kenny and the team and coaches is what he is being told and coached to do. This is a questionable OC to say the least, it could have a impact on what Kenny is doing. It could be a case of a NFL coach trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Then again it could just be all Kenny. hard to say, but he did start the season off playing against two of the best defenses in the league.

Only time will tell for sure. He has shown flashes the question is if he puts it all together at some point.

I think it's too soon to tell if he has the "it" factor. We've see QBs all over the league come in and the first year, be able to do some great things. Then, they just disappear. To show that you can move the ball and win late in games in your first year means you have the skills to play in the NFL. To be able to do it your third and fourth year means you have the ability to remain in the NFL. It's nice to see that he can do it, but until he's more consistent and does go three-and-out multiple times in the final quarter of a game (and yes, that also falls to the OC and O line), I'm not ready to say he has ​it.

[El Kabong]

I remember all those guys between Terry and Ben,

Mark Malone, Brister, the one who we cannot name, Tomzcak, even slash, I watched them all. Even unmentionable was nothing more than a good game manager except when it really counted.

Don't forget the immortal Kent Graham and that Miller guy that got a whole one half in Jacksonville before never being seen again.

[DuckHodges]

Don't forget the immortal Kent Graham and that Miller guy that got a whole one half in Jacksonville before never being seen again.

I remember a guy on the steelers.com message boards with the screen name 'grahamtheman'. that didn't last for longer than 2 games

[MikeT]

I think it's too soon to tell if he has the "it" factor. We've see QBs all over the league come in and the first year, be able to do some great things. Then, they just disappear. To show that you can move the ball and win late in games in your first year means you have the skills to play in the NFL. To be able to do it your third and fourth year means you have the ability to remain in the NFL. It's nice to see that he can do it, but until he's more consistent and does go three-and-out multiple times in the final quarter of a game (and yes, that also falls to the OC and O line), I'm not ready to say he has ​it.

Fair Enough

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Pickett is a 2nd year guy that has shown he can make some really good throws into tight windows and on the move, plus he is athletic enough to extend plays and scramble for 1st downs if teams blitz.

He isnt Ben, he isnt Bradshaw, but tell me what past Steelers QB other than those 2 guys that you would rather have at QB in their prime as opposed to Pickett at this point. Maddox? Tomczak? Brister? Batch, Stewart? etc.

I'm curious as to what posters think of who of all the Steeler QB's in the past 50 years would be better options than KP in the short time we have seen him.

[steelcityboyz]

Pickett is a 2nd year guy that has shown he can make some really good throws into tight windows and on the move, plus he is athletic enough to extend plays and scramble for 1st downs if teams blitz.

He isnt Ben, he isnt Bradshaw, but tell me what past Steelers QB other than those 2 guys that you would rather have at QB in their prime as opposed to Pickett at this point. Maddox? Tomczak? Brister? Batch, Stewart? etc.

I'm curious as to what posters think of who of all the Steeler QB's in the past 50 years would be better options than KP in the short time we have seen him.

Good post

[Mojouw]

Pickett is a 2nd year guy that has shown he can make some really good throws into tight windows and on the move, plus he is athletic enough to extend plays and scramble for 1st downs if teams blitz.

He isnt Ben, he isnt Bradshaw, but tell me what past Steelers QB other than those 2 guys that you would rather have at QB in their prime as opposed to Pickett at this point. Maddox? Tomczak? Brister? Batch, Stewart? etc.

I'm curious as to what posters think of who of all the Steeler QB's in the past 50 years would be better options than KP in the short time we have seen him.

I'm not sure what the point of the exercise is?

All those guys were not good enough to win SB's in the NFL.

Is KP good enough to never be considered a "bust"? Sure. Is he good enough to help a team make the playoffs? Sure, can't say that he couldn't do that.

But if you want to win SB's, then your QB has to be Ben or Bradshaw good. So if you do not think your current QB is that good, then you better start looking for the next one.

It sounds like you are taking the stance that KP is not as good as Ben or Bradshaw. So less than a SB caliber QB or what many call a "franchise" QB? If that is the case, what do you do after the end of next year? That is when almost all other "franchise" QBs have seen their rookie deals extended. Are you doing that extension? Are you just going to let the rookie deal play out? Pick-up the fifth year option? Or do whatever the Giants did with Jones for reasons most can not understand.

I realize these questions seem a long way off. But they aren't. If you sign KP to the big post year 3 "franchise" extension, then there goes a bunch of your cap space for the rest of the roster. That is going to guide draft picks and significant roster building decisions. If you don't think he is a "franchise" guy, then you maybe let his rookie deal play out. OK. What do you spend the cap savings on? Expensive veteran FAs to try and get a flawed QB over the hump? Or younger players to build a talented core for the next QB? These decisions start basically now for the people planning and scouting in the Steelers FO.

[Edman]

It sounds like you are taking the stance that KP is not as good as Ben or Bradshaw. So less than a SB caliber QB or what many call a "franchise" QB? If that is the case, what do you do after the end of next year? That is when almost all other "franchise" QBs have seen their rookie deals extended. Are you doing that extension? Are you just going to let the rookie deal play out? Pick-up the fifth year option? Or do whatever the Giants did with Jones for reasons most can not understand.

Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Herbert all got extensions and have no championships between them to show for it. Mega Multi-Million Man Joe Burrow just got a huge payday for leading the Bengals to a Super Bowl loss. Yes, you could argue the case for Burrow's extension, but the Bengals have killed their competitive window unless they become extremely good at drafting after everyone else leaves.

I think KP8 is a guy the Steelers can win with as long as he sticks to what he does best. Does he have flaws? Yes. No quarterback is perfect, but I don't think KP's downsides and limitations are crippling to the Steelers as much as the unmentionables are. Ben R. would hold the ball forever in his early days and take sacks, Bradshaw was a turnover machine, but their upsides made up for it. KP hasn't demonstrated many negatives that ruin his positives. At least not yet.

I'll take that over Trevor Lawrence, the Top pick of 2021 who in year 3 is looking like nowhere near a "Generational" franchise savior for Jacksonville.

[Mojouw]

Not every QB capable of winning a SB is going to actually get to do that. But all those guys you’ve listed have been identified by their teams as having the capability to win a SB. We shall see I guess, but I’d tend to agree with each of those.

I’d rather have Lawrence than KP in any scenario.

In 2 years in a road AFC Championship game, can KP out duel Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, or Burrow? Not “if the defense makes a play” or “the running game helps out” or whatever. Play for play, is KP capable of being that guy?

That’s the ultimate question and it’s an answer that alters franchises.

[Rotorhead]

I don’t think anyone can make a real decision on KP until Crapnada is out. News out today saying he isn’t allowed to make audibles shows how bad the OC is. At some point they have to get rid of Crapnada and see what KP really is. Unfortunately I think we are going to waste another year with him and have to install a new offense next year where we still won’t know what we have before we have to make a decision on KPs next contract.

[Mojouw]

I don’t think anyone can make a real decision on KP until Crapnada is out. News out today saying he isn’t allowed to make audibles shows how bad the OC is. At some point they have to get rid of Crapnada and see what KP really is. Unfortunately I think we are going to waste another year with him and have to install a new offense next year where we still won’t know what we have before we have to make a decision on KPs next contract.

Almost certainly exactly what’s going to happen.

Best case. Steelers and KP mutually agree to push the extension until after Year 4 overall and Year 2 of Not Canada offense.

But I’ve no idea why KP would agree to that.

[El Kabong]

I don’t think anyone can make a real decision on KP until Crapnada is out. News out today saying he isn’t allowed to make audibles shows how bad the OC is. At some point they have to get rid of Crapnada and see what KP really is. Unfortunately I think we are going to waste another year with him and have to install a new offense next year where we still won’t know what we have before we have to make a decision on KPs next contract.

How do we know Kenny can't call audibles?

[Mojouw]

How do we know Kenny can't call audibles?

There’s been scattered “reports” saying he can’t. Tomlin neither confirmed nor denied in a presser. I suspect he Loves the idea of defense thinking they won’t audible.

[Steeler-in-west]

Just my .02 cents.

KP has that "it" factor in that he doesn't shy away from the big moments. The 4th quarter comebacks show that. That's something that can not be taught and that you desperately need in a QB. The issue i see so far this year has been the timing and decision making. He has been slow in making his decisions and then the accuracy has been off. All those things can improve so that's good as it can all be taught and improved upon.

What we don't know and none of us do but Kenny and the team and coaches is what he is being told and coached to do. This is a questionable OC to say the least, it could have a impact on what Kenny is doing. It could be a case of a NFL coach trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Then again it could just be all Kenny. hard to say, but he did start the season off playing against two of the best defenses in the league.

Only time will tell for sure. He has shown flashes the question is if he puts it all together at some point.

agreed, it’s also his accuracy while running and under pressure. He was really threading the needle into tight windows last year. He looked so much more dynamic than all those guys I listed, not to mention Kent Graham lol or even Maddox. I think he just has to learn to handle 5 or more pass rushers. He has to learn where the extra man will come from and audible. Canada just doesn’t seem up to the task of helping KP handle the increased number of pass rushers and speed up his processing. No young QB can do this all on his own, they all need some help, whether it’s adjusting the blocking or teaching the QB to anticipate oncoming blitzes and/or adjusting plays.Canada just still sucks at this point. I can’t believe we have this poor to occasionally mediocre guy in charge of our young QB who we have a lot of hope in.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I'm not sure what the point of the exercise is?

All those guys were not good enough to win SB's in the NFL.

Is KP good enough to never be considered a "bust"? Sure. Is he good enough to help a team make the playoffs? Sure, can't say that he couldn't do that.

But if you want to win SB's, then your QB has to be Ben or Bradshaw good. So if you do not think your current QB is that good, then you better start looking for the next one.

It sounds like you are taking the stance that KP is not as good as Ben or Bradshaw. So less than a SB caliber QB or what many call a "franchise" QB? If that is the case, what do you do after the end of next year? That is when almost all other "franchise" QBs have seen their rookie deals extended. Are you doing that extension? Are you just going to let the rookie deal play out? Pick-up the fifth year option? Or do whatever the Giants did with Jones for reasons most can not understand.

I realize these questions seem a long way off. But they aren't. If you sign KP to the big post year 3 "franchise" extension, then there goes a bunch of your cap space for the rest of the roster. That is going to guide draft picks and significant roster building decisions. If you don't think he is a "franchise" guy, then you maybe let his rookie deal play out. OK. What do you spend the cap savings on? Expensive veteran FAs to try and get a flawed QB over the hump? Or younger players to build a talented core for the next QB? These decisions start basically now for the people planning and scouting in the Steelers FO.

I am saying that from what we have seen in a little over a year, would anybody say that Bubby Brister, Mark Malone, Kordell Stewart, Mike Tomczak, Tommy Maddox, or other QB's looked better than Kenny Pickett? I think all of those players played QB for the Steelers in playoff games, so are we thinking that KP wont achieve that with his level of play?

Or does KP look like he could be the 3rd best Steeler QB in the past 50 years?

[Edman]

In 2 years in a road AFC Championship game, can KP out duel Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, or Burrow? Not “if the defense makes a play” or “the running game helps out” or whatever. Play for play, is KP capable of being that guy?

I don't think KP8 can "out-duel" those guys, but he can win if he plays sound football and makes big throws. Speaking of "if the defense makes play", our buddy Josh Allen not too long ago lost a playoff game because his defense couldn't make a play with 13 seconds remaining. He played near perfect in the game matching Mahomes with outstanding throws, but still lost. KP doesn't need to win a shootout. If KP is stuck in a shootout, then I think the Steelers probably have more pressing needs than Quarterback.

[Steeler-in-west]

I am saying that from what we have seen in a little over a year, would anybody say that Bubby Brister, Mark Malone, Kordell Stewart, Mike Tomczak, Tommy Maddox, or other QB's looked better than Kenny Pickett? I think all of those players played QB for the Steelers in playoff games, so are we thinking that KP wont achieve that with his level of play?

Or does KP look like he could be the 3rd best Steeler QB in the past 50 years?

Just to chime in, based on what we’ve seen so far 3rd best should be the minimum -

[pczach]

I'm not sure what the point of the exercise is?

All those guys were not good enough to win SB's in the NFL.

Is KP good enough to never be considered a "bust"? Sure. Is he good enough to help a team make the playoffs? Sure, can't say that he couldn't do that.

But if you want to win SB's, then your QB has to be Ben or Bradshaw good. So if you do not think your current QB is that good, then you better start looking for the next one.

It sounds like you are taking the stance that KP is not as good as Ben or Bradshaw. So less than a SB caliber QB or what many call a "franchise" QB? If that is the case, what do you do after the end of next year? That is when almost all other "franchise" QBs have seen their rookie deals extended. Are you doing that extension? Are you just going to let the rookie deal play out? Pick-up the fifth year option? Or do whatever the Giants did with Jones for reasons most can not understand.

I realize these questions seem a long way off. But they aren't. If you sign KP to the big post year 3 "franchise" extension, then there goes a bunch of your cap space for the rest of the roster. That is going to guide draft picks and significant roster building decisions. If you don't think he is a "franchise" guy, then you maybe let his rookie deal play out. OK. What do you spend the cap savings on? Expensive veteran FAs to try and get a flawed QB over the hump? Or younger players to build a talented core for the next QB? These decisions start basically now for the people planning and scouting in the Steelers FO.

If the debate is whether Pickett is going to be good enough to win a Super Bowl, the only comparison is whether he is as good or better than Neil O'Donnell.

O'Donnell made it to a Super Bowl, but we all know how that turned out. If Pickett can be a more mobile, more athletic, and better thrower of the ball when moving version of O'Donnell with the clutch gene, he can be good enough to win championships.

[86WARD]

There’s nothing that says the Steelers can’t take 4, even 5 years to evaluate Kenny before giving a contract out at year three.

If there’s hope that Canada is gone after this season and a new coordinator is brought in, the natural evaluation may take a couple steps back. There’s no reason to give ANY QB a huge extension at year three if you are properly evaluating them. The only reason to give a QB that money in year three is to try to get him in the “cheap” but is that worth misevaluating them in the long run? Hasn’t worked for Allen who looks like he’s fading the last two seasons. Hasn’t worked for Lamar Jackson, he’s just not a QB. Only one it has worked for is Patrick Mahomes…and you can’t really compare anyone to him unless you want to do yourself a disservice. It’s him and then the rest.

Zero reason to give Pickett an extension at year three. Not even the littlest of issues or concerns when it comes to that.

[86WARD]

If the debate is whether Pickett is going to be good enough to win a Super Bowl, the only comparison is whether he is as good or better than Neil O'Donnell.

O'Donnell made it to a Super Bowl, but we all know how that turned out. If Pickett can be a more mobile, more athletic, and better thrower of the ball when moving version of O'Donnell with the clutch gene, he can be good enough to win championships.

You could dumb it all the way down to Trent Dilfer. This defense has the potential to be a Super Bowl winning defense…

[Mojouw]

I don't think KP8 can "out-duel" those guys, but he can win if he plays sound football and makes big throws. Speaking of "if the defense makes play", our buddy Josh Allen not too long ago lost a playoff game because his defense couldn't make a play with 13 seconds remaining. He played near perfect in the game matching Mahomes with outstanding throws, but still lost. KP doesn't need to win a shootout. If KP is stuck in a shootout, then I think the Steelers probably have more pressing needs than Quarterback.

Uhhhh.....if Allen wasn't capable of matching Mahomes play for play; then the defense wouldn't have been in position to "not make a play". How can you not see that? If Allen wasn't a QB playing alien like Mahomes, then the Bills lose that game by multiple scores.

If you want your team to advance past the division round of the playoffs on a regular basis, you need a top notch QB. One who can make plays outside of scheme and structure and can elevate the players around him. Full stop. If you have a great run game, and a great defense, that will also be really useful. But if you are dragging a Qb around who is somewhere between 15-25 out of 32, then you have already lost.

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If the debate is whether Pickett is going to be good enough to win a Super Bowl, the only comparison is whether he is as good or better than Neil O'Donnell.

O'Donnell made it to a Super Bowl, but we all know how that turned out. If Pickett can be a more mobile, more athletic, and better thrower of the ball when moving version of O'Donnell with the clutch gene, he can be good enough to win championships.

O'Donnell made a SB run almost 3 decades ago. That is a geologic age ago in the evolution of the NFL. Neil O'donnell wouldn't sniff a SB in the NFL now. I have zero interest in watching Neil O'Donnell 2.0 lead the Steelers to 9-7 and a wild-card round loss each year.

[Mojouw]

I am saying that from what we have seen in a little over a year, would anybody say that Bubby Brister, Mark Malone, Kordell Stewart, Mike Tomczak, Tommy Maddox, or other QB's looked better than Kenny Pickett? I think all of those players played QB for the Steelers in playoff games, so are we thinking that KP wont achieve that with his level of play?

Or does KP look like he could be the 3rd best Steeler QB in the past 50 years?

Ok? Sure. He's the third best QB. Total support in that evaluation. So what?

In my role as "fantasy GM of the Steelers", my goal is to win multiple SBs. Is KP, the third best QB in the history of the franchise, capable of providing that level of performance? Does he have the tools to grow into being that guy? Can he win a shootout on the road with another high-powered AFC team?

I have seen every QB not named Bradshaw play for the Steelers in the "modern era". And I think KP looks to be better than most of them. Likely all of them. I also think that Kirk Cousins is better than most of them and I think Cousins is crap. I think Daniel Jones is better than most of them and that dude sucks. Heck, Jimmy G is better than most of them and he's useless for a team that wants to win playoff games.

QB is harder than ever to play. The demands of the position are greater than they have ever been. The quality and capabilities of guys playing the position is also greater than ever. A "bad" NFL QB from 2023 could get in a time machine and look really good in 2000, 1995, or 1983.

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You could dumb it all the way down to Trent Dilfer. This defense has the potential to be a Super Bowl winning defense…

We have ONE example from 2+ decades ago of this formula working.

Why would a team seek to replicate that? We might as well use the "over the hill gang" as a blueprint. Has the same relevance.

[Mojouw]

A closing thought for this morning. I think this is all a fun discussion and I believe that I think about QB in a weird way, but so be it. My quick look-up and I might have missed some but of all the first round QBs (so just the dudes who had fifth year options) the only three who did not do an extension after year 3 (the first window the CBA allows one in) where Baker, Lamar, and Danny Dimes. All three of those situations ended in major controversy and other unpleasantness.

While I agree that there should be no reason for the Steelers to have to extend KP after year 3, overwhelming precedent says that teams get kinda forced into doing it. Now the Steelers are likely more insulated from those pressures because of how they do business and Rooney is not going to push to do an extension to validate Tomlin or Khan having jobs.

I guess what I am saying is that say this thread ends up being kinda sorta correct and KP is a less mistake prone Neil O'Donnell or, to put it another way, Jimmy G without being a total panicky coward in the face of pressure, would you be excited about this contract? https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york...l-jones-29041/

Because that is a realistic outcome. As a fan, I would not be excited but I would understand why they did it.

[Mach1]

How do we know Kenny can't call audibles?

From the horses mouth "it's a coaching decision" not to let him audible.

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/09/it...om-to-audible/

[DesertSteel]

Heck, Jimmy G is better than most of them and he's useless for a team that wants to win playoff games.

Other than the facts. His record in the playoffs is 4-2, and includes 2 trips to the NFCCG and 1 trip to the Super Bowl.

[Edman]

Uhhhh.....if Allen wasn't capable of matching Mahomes play for play; then the defense wouldn't have been in position to "not make a play". How can you not see that? If Allen wasn't a QB playing alien like Mahomes, then the Bills lose that game by multiple scores.

If you want your team to advance past the division round of the playoffs on a regular basis, you need a top notch QB. One who can make plays outside of scheme and structure and can elevate the players around him. Full stop. If you have a great run game, and a great defense, that will also be really useful. But if you are dragging a Qb around who is somewhere between 15-25 out of 32, then you have already lost.

Fair enough. I'm not telling you are wrong. You are right. The Bills do lose that game by multiple scores if Allen doesn't have a game. Allen did put that team in a position to win, and if he just gets one stop from the Defense, it goes down as one of the greatest games of all time. But the fact remains is that he still lost. It just re-enforces my point that the Quarterback, no matter how superhuman he is, other parts of the team still have to step up. Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Matt Ryan, and Phillip Rivers would be swimming in rings otherwise. Kenny Pickett just has to find a way to win regardless of the circumstance. Shootout or low-scoring. Just get it done.

You are right that we need to see Pickett have a game where he puts the team on his back and wills them to a victory. A day when the Defense isn't at its best or T.J Watt goes off. But that is just as highly unsustainable as dragging a mediocre QB to a championship though a run game and Defense. We need find a balance. Pickett's won some low scoring outputs where the Defense holds until he puts together a game winning drive, now let's see him will the Steelers to a win on his own. I hope we see that soon.

[Steeler-in-west]

I’d take no 14 and Kordell Stewart over Daniel Jones. To say our QB’s between Terry and Ben stunk is hyperbole, if you’re going to say stuff like that better back it up with numbers. And I don’t agree at all that it was easier to be a QB back then. QB’s had very little protection and they didn’t pad their stats with short dink and dunk passes.

[Mojouw]

Fair enough. I'm not telling you are wrong. You are right. The Bills do lose that game by multiple scores if Allen doesn't have a game. Allen did put that team in a position to win, and if he just gets one stop from the Defense, it goes down as one of the greatest games of all time. But the fact remains is that he still lost. It just re-enforces my point that the Quarterback, no matter how superhuman he is, other parts of the team still have to step up. Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Matt Ryan, and Phillip Rivers would be swimming in rings otherwise. Kenny Pickett just has to find a way to win regardless of the circumstance. Shootout or low-scoring. Just get it done.

You are right that we need to see Pickett have a game where he puts the team on his back and wills them to a victory. A day when the Defense isn't at its best or T.J Watt goes off. But that is just as highly unsustainable as dragging a mediocre QB to a championship though a run game and Defense. We need find a balance. Pickett's won some low scoring outputs where the Defense holds until he puts together a game winning drive, now let's see him will the Steelers to a win on his own. I hope we see that soon.

Sure! You can't just have the QB do everything and the rest of thea team just be mediocre.

Let's say you have a triangle of QB-Rushing Attack-Defense (oversimplification and I left out special teams) and you can only ever have at most 2 off those going well at the same time. So each leg of the triangle has to be able to cover-up for the one that is performing poorly at any given time.

So your QB has to be capable of winning a game on their own, but he shouldn't be expected to do it every time because, as you correctly pointed out, that isn't sustainable or part of a championship formula. But your QB has to be able to just say "screw it....I've got this" and go do unbelieveable things. He has to be an occassional superhero. And not every guy that is capable of doing that is going to win a SB -- the rest of it might not ever provide that QB the oppportunity but I can only think of a very small number of teams that have ever won a SB without a superhero at QB and much less in recent vintage.

And I swear....before 3000 people post "Joe Flacco!!" - go back and look at the stats. Flacco managed to pull one of the greatest playoff runs of all time for the QB position squarely out of his ass. So I guess the caveat to "Superhero QB" is "Random Heater by an Otherwise JAG QB"?

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Other than the facts. His record in the playoffs is 4-2, and includes 2 trips to the NFCCG and 1 trip to the Super Bowl.

Ok. Then why did his team move moutains to have Jimmy G be "not their QB"? Now reunited with this previous OC and mentor he looks....largely useless? He threw 2 awful picks against the Steelers and 1 kinda sorta okay stuff happens ones, and like 6 hospital passes to Adams.

But, sure, let's count Jimmy G as a standard of QB play to aspire to. That should really line the trophy case.

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I’d take no 14 and Kordell Stewart over Daniel Jones. To say our QB’s between Terry and Ben stunk is hyperbole, if you’re going to say stuff like that better back it up with numbers. And I don’t agree at all that it was easier to be a QB back then. QB’s had very little protection and they didn’t pad their stats with short dink and dunk passes.

I mean is there that much difference between these two career stat lines?

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JoneDa05.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...O/ODonNe00.htm

[El Kabong]

From the horses mouth "it's a coaching decision" not to let him audible.

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/09/it...om-to-audible/

I have no idea what Tomlin is trying to say here. It depends on the opponent whether Kenny can call audibles? It depends on the game situation whether they let him call audibles?

Apparently the people at Steeler Depot are jagoffs who won't let you copy and paste from their articles, but the second to last paragraph of that article and the article they link to in that paragraph seem to indicate Kenny can call audibles.