Originally Posted by cubanstogie
Oh no!! not the great Sam Howell!
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It looks to me that Pickett is being forced to only get half the field to operate in. In preseason, we saw Kenny looking off safeties to open up an area to throw the ball to. He is no longer doing that.
Either he is a deer in the headlights, and has completely lost his confindence after having a perfect preseason, or he is being limited and forced to only have half the field in play. If it is the former, which I don't believe it is, he better get his head out of his ass and just let it rip. Staring down every throw leads to failure and turnovers.
If he is being limited, which it appears he is to me, shame on the coaching staff. Limiting a quarterback to half the field reads is criminal. It limits where the ball can be thrown, and the QB's eyes draw defenders to the target. If the coaches only have him reading half the field, there is no looking off deep safeties, so he is unable to manipulate the secondary and create space for routes. It also then limits his throws to a compressed part of the field. It would also explain why there are receivers open, but he doesn't throw them the ball, because they are not part of the read progression.
I beleive that some of the stuff going on with the offense is criminal. Canada is a fool, and if Tomlin is behind this dumpster fire of an offense and limiting a young quarterback, he should be in danger of losing his job. It is pitiful to watch, and it is like trying to play with a ball and chain around your ankle with no hope of creating all those chunk plays he is always carrying on about.
You just saw Sam Howell throw nearly half as many interceptions in one game as Pickett has in his entire career to this point. Josh Dobbs couldn't make our roster and looks like a competent NFL quarterback at times on a shitty team. They treated Dotson like he was holding this team back while he wasn't allowing any sacks, and his replacement looks like an imposter of the animal that tossed defensive linemen around in Philly. The coaches need to be better. What they are doing isn't good enough.
We can't pretend that this is what Kenny Pickett is and that he can't improve. There is so much shit going on around him right now while playing against great defenses in his first two games. He needs help, and that help starts with the coaching staff. They are supposed to be a guiding light. They are supposed to be putting players in a position to succeed. They are supposed to be creative in thier schemes and be playing to players strengths. Almost nothing of what I just said is happening with him to this point.
Tomlin going into a press conference and saying the OL was excellent is the epitome of stupidity. Not only is that incorrect, but it shines a spotlight on your quarterback making it seem as if he is the only problem, when anyone that is looking at this objectively knows that is far from true. It was irresponsible of him and made him look like a fool to me.
I have been a defender of Mike Tomlin and have always supported him. For the first time in a long time, I am questioning Mike Tomlin on how he is handling this team and his coaching staff. He needs to be better. Much much better. If all that happens, Kenny Pickett will be much much better.
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I feel this too. There is something different going on within the coaching staff right now. The whole 'nothing to see here, move along', attitude is disconcerting at best. Downright criminal at worst.
relax everything will be ok they promoted Canada after all so he will have a heavier influence on the offense
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
One person has said it was half field reads. Mitch Trubisky. Noted football genius and high level performer. It might’ve been that way specially for Trubisky. That’s how bad that dude stinks.
And it isn’t like one read or half field is some unprecedented NFL phenomenon. It’s done all the time with young, inexperienced, or talent challenged QBs. Daboll was and is doing half field stuff with Jones in New York. They did it for like a season+ with a young Ben Roethlisberger. They’re doing it in Indy and Carolina with rookie QBs to varying degrees. Some of that fancy schmancy stuff in San Francisco is basically A or B to a single side.
I think you guys are way overestimating Canada’s power. He can’t tilt the Earth on its axis. If there’s 4 guys out on routes and one is open, it’s KP job to find him. So what if he goes one read too far? What are they gonna do bench him?
I’m not saying Canada is good. I’m not saying KP is terrible. I’m saying it’s far more complicated than fire Canada and get better. There are fundamental concerns about the QBs ability to execute his position that sit outside of scheme.
Cutting Sullivan out of things is usually the last maneuvers of the damned. Like when a former offensive coordinator turned head coach gives up play calling. Dude usually is one foot out the door.
I figure it starts looking like a functional offense or first Sullivan and then Canada gets the boot. Not sure where they’re going to dig up and OC in NFL Week 7, but it’s starting to feel like they might take a crack at it.
in fairness in terms of Howell ....
O line in Washington is far worse than ours ... Howell tossed picks but was under duress like nothing Pickett has ever experienced ... sacked 9 times in one game..............
as a side note Pickett has a dozen picks thus far , Howell 4
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
You have a very good way of putting my thoughts on “paper”…lol
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Howell has 4 career starts and has thrown 4 touchdowns and 6 interceptions.
So Howell's offensive line is an excuse, but Pickett's isn't? Also, Howell taking sacks isn't on him partly? Come on man.
Let's be honest here. The Commanders are 15th in rushing. They are 5th in rushing touchdowns per game.
Steelers are 31st in rushing yards per game. They haven't had a rushing TD this season.
The Commander's defense was rated better going into this week's games. The Steelers have the worst run defense in the NFL.
where in the quoted post did I say that ? ...come on man
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
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You said "O line in Washington is far worse than ours".
Kenny definitely showed today but he was lucky to not throw a pick 6. For the first time this year though it looks like he’s playing with confidence
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He did look more decisive and quick to act. Vast improvement.
He's the type of quarterback where you get him once but not the same way again.
it is ...that is a fact they gave up 9 sacks in 1 game .... when is the last time a steelers O -Line had done that ?You said "O line in Washington is far worse than ours".
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
I have to think on that almost pick 6 that Pickett expected Heyward to go one way, and then Hayward went another.
Pickett still has work to do but he played well tonight. He was taking a beating early in the game, I was worried he wouldn't make it.
With a better o line and coordinator he’ll be fine. I think he’ll be a good QB for the Steelers, play out his rookie contract get resigned…
he may not be the next Ben or Terry, but I think he’ll show he was worth a first rounder. I’ll gladly say I’m wrong if we’re all still around by then
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I pointed out that they are a far better run blocking line than the Steelers going into this week...and it isn't close. They run for more yards and score far more points running the football, which helps the quarterback. Last time I checked, running the football is at least as important as throwing the football and pass protection.
You made the claim that the Commander's offensive line is worse than the Steelers' offensive line, making the point that somehow Howell is overcoming more than Pickett. I pointed out facts about the offensive lines of both teams showing that Washington is ranked better in several offensive categories that are dictated by the offensive line and you then try to make it seem as if I had no business bringing facts about offensive lines into the conversation...when you are the one that brought the offensive lines into the conversation.
Also, Howell has had more time in the pocket compared to Kenny Pickett through 2 games, and has taken far less hits and had better overall protection than Pickett. Howell has had an average of 2.6 seconds to throw. Pickett has only had an average of 2.4 seconds to throw, and has had far more pressures and hits. Howell has more time to throw, gets pressured less, gets hit less, yet takes more sacks than Pickett.
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php
I'm sorry man, but you are being far too hard on Pickett and go out of your way to convince everyone that he sucks. You destroy him whenever he does anything negative and build up other guys. You say you want him to succeed but you pound this kid every chance you get and bristle when anyone brings up facts to make an argument against your opinion of him.
I think that KP is quickly becoming a polarizing player. For me, it is because he does an equal amount of good and bad things each week. KP actually provides tangible evidence for whatever you want to focus on.
Take last night. He had a two TD game and avoided critical mistakes and made some pretty throws and was good with his running. But he also missed (at least from my TV seat) multiple plays and bailed early on some clean pockets as well as letting the pass rush bother him early. It is basically an almost equally balanced list of good QB things and not good QB things.
KP is a bizarre QB to me. You can basically see whatever you want to see in him. I can't (right now) think of another QB where you can see such a contrast game in and game out.
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Heyward definitely blew the route. That one was not on Kenny.
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After a very shaky beginning, Kenny acquitted himself very nicely. If they hadn't stopped playing offense in the 4th quarter I'm sure his stats would have been even better. Steelers are in first place and Kenny has some confidence.
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It's almost as if the quarterback position was hard to play.
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Well, he hasn’t even started a full season yet so he is still learning and will have his ups and downs. He was much better this game as was the play calling. Did he miss some reads, yes. Did he hit WRs in stride for big gains, yes. But the points about Crapnada’s calls were evident in the last 2 drives. Second to last, it looked like they gave up and we’re ok with letting the Def close out the game. Last drive, they let the QB make the plays and got that critical 1st before they turtled again. Next week, I expect Crapnada to call a terrible game, cause he was forced to break out of his shell this week and he has never done that 2 weeks in a row.
Vast improvement. Like I said, every QB is missing “easy” throws and reads every now and again.
Kirk Cousins maybe?
Not a false statement. But...and I have not been watching much of the other young/inexperienced QBs across the league, but KP misses multiple things every single game. And they are often drive killers. It has to get better. He is simply leaving too many yards and points on the field.
I realize you and I will never see eye to eye on this and that is fine. But I think the impulse to say all the good things are KP and the bad things are Canada is a bit too extreme. It is certainly tilted in KP's favor, but he has some serious flaws in his game right now. And he is basically still in his NFL rookie season...so that is understandable.
And I don't want to relitigate the nonsense that was delaying his starting tenure and the fact that he was billed as a finished mental product by the Steelers draft team. But I will say....wouldn't it be nice if this was KP's 19th start instead of his 16th?
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I thought about that, but figured no one wanted to another Cousins stinks rant from me!
But Cousins. Goff, Mayfield, Tannehill, Fitzpatrick are guys that seem to have a similar polarizing impact.
I'm Guilty of it too. It sounds like me when I was trashing Ben R. on this board years ago and said we needed to move on from him.I'm sorry man, but you are being far too hard on Pickett and go out of your way to convince everyone that he sucks. You destroy him whenever he does anything negative and build up other guys. You say you want him to succeed but you pound this kid every chance you get and bristle when anyone brings up facts to make an argument against your opinion of him.
I held on to my opinion and desperately wanted to be seen as right. Any evidence to the contrary of that opinion be damned.
I remember all those guys between Terry and Ben,
Mark Malone, Brister, the one who we cannot name, Tomzcak, even slash, I watched them all. Even unmentionable was nothing more than a good game manager except when it really counted.
I think KP has a good combination of mobility and passing that will surpass all those middling QB’s
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I know because you and I had a few conversations about that very subject.
I openly admit that I don't know for a fact the Kenny Pickett is going to be a very good quarterback. I have my feelings about him and the situation he is currently in, but this has to play itself out. The one thing none of us should do is have a preconceived evaluation of him and not be able to objectively judge anything in his performances. I've been wrong about players before, but I'm going to be honest in what I believe he should be able to do on a football field. It's going to take some time to really know.
When you open yourself up and allow yourself to enjoy the process of watching a player develop, the entire experience is much more positive beause half the fun is seeing what a young player can become.
Exactly and there are so many negative factors surrounding him right now that no one can really judge exactly what he actually is as far as an NFL QB goes. If you have a conclusion already, you’re being ignorant. Depending on your opinion….if you’re wrong, you’re wrong. If you are right, it’s a lucky guess.
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