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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by tube517 View Post
    Remember this was the same system that put Tyler Huntley in the Pro Bowl with 3 passing TDs and starting 4 games.

    Just name the all pro team and skip the actual pro bowl game. The other skills drills are a waste of time. Pro Bowl weekend is a joke. They can't draw viewers like the NBA all star game which is also a joke now

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    Best all star format I ever saw was when the NHL had North America vs rest of world. I think it was in the late 90's.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    All-Star games and events are not meant to be serious games and events. I haven't watched or even paid attention to any of them since I was a kid.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    I think we will live to see the day the players play each other in the All-Star game on Nintendo.
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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Once upon a time...

    There were tv shows and specials where NFL QBs competed in games against each other and there were skills events you had RBs and WRs racing through obstacle courses or seeing who could do some feat faster than the rest. That's all there is to these all-star events. Just playing around and having fun.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    All star games were born in an era where they were the only way you could see players from outside your local area. Leagues wanted to give fans a chance to see star players their local team never played against.

    Since we can all watch anything all the time - the primary reason for their existence is null and void. They should just end.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Anybody see Julian Edelman's comments today about the Steelers Defense under Tomlin??

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadesOfSteel1172 View Post
    Anybody see Julian Edelman's comments today about the Steelers Defense under Tomlin??

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    Yep, but when you see Watt line up the same every down and get tripled and no one else can find any way to do anything. It's pretty predictable

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    For the majority of Edelman’s career the DC was LeBeau. Edelman last played 2 defensive coordinators ago in Steelers terms.

    Currently the Steelers play very different coverages in response to the “lb in coverage” issue of the zone blitz favored by LeBeau and Butler.

    I guess I’m not sure how this is currently relevant.

    Do folks want to go back to a zone blitz? Less man coverage? More two high safety?

    Or does it just fit lazy narratives ?

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Basically what I've been saying and others been saying for the longest that there is too much predictability to our defense. It shows against good teams that basically just pick us apart. Good QBs know before the snap who is gonna be open.


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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Which defense?

    Because what was run under LeBeau and under Austin are extremely different.

    They’re both 3-4 base but that’s about it.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Lazy narrative?? Why is it a "narrative" when it's an accurate assessment, not only from fans but countless others like Edelman who have said the same thing when playing against outer defense. I'm not trying to follow a "narrative" I'm following what everybody else sees as well. We will never compete with any of the elite teams with this defense with this same predictable scheme. Good teams will put up 30-40 consistently against us.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    You say which defense?? How about a defense that confuses offenses? Don't matter if it's zone, man, 3-4 base or whatever. How about throwing wrinkles in there. Tomlin and our DC cannot and don't know how to do that.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadesOfSteel1172 View Post
    Lazy narrative?? Why is it a "narrative" when it's an accurate assessment, not only from fans but countless others like Edelman who have said the same thing when playing against outer defense. I'm not trying to follow a "narrative" I'm following what everybody else sees as well. We will never compete with any of the elite teams with this defense with this same predictable scheme. Good teams will put up 30-40 consistently against us.

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    Edelman was critical of the approach that resulted in the 2008 defense. A defense that achieved outcomes that multiple posters expressed significant desire to return to.

    So which one is it?

    Also, is it now the contention that there is no difference from LeBeau to Butler to Austin?

    Because all you would have to do is what Can Heyward’s career highlights to see how different the approach is across those different DCs.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Edelman was critical of the approach that resulted in the 2008 defense. A defense that achieved outcomes that multiple posters expressed significant desire to return to.

    So which one is it?

    Also, is it now the contention that there is no difference from LeBeau to Butler to Austin?

    Because all you would have to do is what Can Heyward’s career highlights to see how different the approach is across those different DCs.
    So Edelman is old news but the fact remains that this defense preforms pretty good against lesser competitors but some how seems pretty stale and predictable against good offensive units. Without watching the all 22 tapes it just looks blah 5 or so weeks of Watt getting nothing done and the coordinator can't come up with ideas other than keep trying? Idk, as a common knowledge fan I just don't see the trying anything

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Tomlin might need to go.

    Austin as well.

    I don’t know.

    But I do know the apples to potatoes comparisons that get repeated with no context is not descriptive of anything.

    Have the Ravens played the same defense for Harbaugh’s tenure? It’s a 3-4. Keeps losing in the playoffs. Must be the same, right?

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Tomlin might need to go.

    Austin as well.

    I don’t know.

    But I do know the apples to potatoes comparisons that get repeated with no context is not descriptive of anything.

    Have the Ravens played the same defense for Harbaugh’s tenure? It’s a 3-4. Keeps losing in the playoffs. Must be the same, right?
    I don't watch enough rmRavens to know
    At the end of the day during most regular season play our offense sucks and rh defense gets the jobs done. When it matter they both seem to suck , so it "appears" that out defense can't stand up to superior competition.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCSteeler View Post
    I don't watch enough rmRavens to know
    At the end of the day during most regular season play our offense sucks and rh defense gets the jobs done. When it matter they both seem to suck , so it "appears" that out defense can't stand up to superior competition.

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    Not denying that. That’s the unfortunate and disappointing result.

    But the process is not the same. Over Tomlin’s tenure they’ve played defense within the confines of a 3-4 in several distinct and different ways.

    Lumping those all together muddies the discussion.

    In the example that spurred this discussion, the Steelers defense that Edelman faced was designed differently than the one opponents faced in 2024.

    How much different? That’s likely beyond me to identify but I have read enough by folks who claim to know; that it’s not the same thing.

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    I think it would be more entertaining to watch a team eat an entire Golder Corral instead of the choreography, scrimmage or high school games they have played in the past.
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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Not denying that. That’s the unfortunate and disappointing result.

    But the process is not the same. Over Tomlin’s tenure they’ve played defense within the confines of a 3-4 in several distinct and different ways.

    Lumping those all together muddies the discussion.

    In the example that spurred this discussion, the Steelers defense that Edelman faced was designed differently than the one opponents faced in 2024.

    How much different? That’s likely beyond me to identify but I have read enough by folks who claim to know; that it’s not the same thing.
    He specifically said they are doing the same thing they did when I played them
    He's not commenting on the old defense mor on his observation of both , one in person one on tape

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCSteeler View Post
    He specifically said they are doing the same thing they did when I played them
    He's not commenting on the old defense mor on his observation of both , one in person one on tape

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    I didn’t watch it. Just read a badly written summary on one of the thousands of places that reposted it.

    All I know is that I see far less LBers on WRs than used to happen. I see far less of edge defenders dropping so someone else can rush.

    From my couch it looks different than 5, 10, 15 years ago. But I’m often wrong. So who knows?

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I didn’t watch it. Just read a badly written summary on one of the thousands of places that reposted it.

    All I know is that I see far less LBers on WRs than used to happen. I see far less of edge defenders dropping so someone else can rush.

    From my couch it looks different than 5, 10, 15 years ago. But I’m often wrong. So who knows?
    Agreed it looks different. I didn't pick up on it till I went and found the interview. He's probably just another guy spewing during SB run up for hits and relevance

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    Riddle me this Batman... what is he (Edelman) calling the 3 slot receiver? He says we are still covering the 3 slot receiver with a LB. I don't know what that is. And if it is the case, how do other teams cover the 3 slot receiver?

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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    its not like these games are not fixed or anything ... example there is no PI on this play and its not even a judgement call it simple doesnt exist and even if there was the ball was not catchable yet it changed the SB winner https://www.facebook.com/reel/586751917670168
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    Re: Prime-Time NFL Football thread.

    I am not saying that our defensive is innovative by any means, but don't we play a lot more man coverage than we used to? Also, our defensive linemen have different responsibilities than they used to. I do think our schemes need to be updated but the fall off at the end of the year was more related to execution by my amateur eyes. Still was in favor of a change of coordinators.

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