the coffee is still hot and already on way out the door

[Dwinsgames]

he's been here what seems like a min. and IMO is easily the 2nd or 3rd best CB on this roster and while paychecks are being stolen by others Desmond King is reportedly on his way out the door https://steelersdepot.com/2023/10/re...ant-trade-him/

[tube517]

What is going on with this team?
Played one snap on defense.

Chandon Sullivan is horrible. Riley is still learning.

They are signing Darius Rush off the Chiefs practice squad.

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[Dwinsgames]

What is going on with this team?
Played one snap on defense.

Chandon Sullivan is horrible. Riley is still learning.

They are signing Darius Rush off the Chiefs practice squad.

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ok cool sign Rush , keep King and release Gunner and Sullivan

[86WARD]

In all honesty, all of them not named Minkah or Joey should be released. It’s a who’s who of garbage.

[Born2Steel]

Why announce this? Does it give value maybe to say trade for him now or he gets to go to the highest bidder?

[Mojouw]

Ok.

So Jpj starts. Peterson kicks inside. Sullivan backs up inside.

Makes them short an outside CB. King doesn’t look like what Steelers want their outside CBs to look like. Rush does.

[steelreserve]

Always a solid negotiating tactic when you announce to everyone that they can have the player for free. We really drive a hard bargain.

[Born2Steel]

Always a solid negotiating tactic when you announce to everyone that they can have the player for free. We really drive a hard bargain.

That’s my question. Will it end with one team waiting until he’s released to make him an offer, does this bring multiple teams offering trade value, or are agents making deals behind the scenes “illegally”?

Who needs a NB currently? Jets? Titans? The Dolphins have given up the most points, at week 5 anyway. NFCS teams look to need some defensive playmakers. Idk who but maybe we get a deal done vs just releasing him.

[Rotorhead]

Ok.

So Jpj starts. Peterson kicks inside. Sullivan backs up inside.

Makes them short an outside CB. King doesn’t look like what Steelers want their outside CBs to look like. Rush does.

Would make more sense to keep Peterson outside with JPJ to mentor Rush and keep King inside and drop Gunnar. I just don’t understand the decisions this team is making. They really make no sense if you are trying to build a team. Oh and Fire Crapnada

[Mojouw]

The get traded or cut announcement happens like 6 times a week across the league. This is not new or unique. It is how business is done in the NFL in the age of "insiders" being fed information by teams and agents.

All your trying to do is to get a low pick from a team that doesn't think it will win the waiver process.

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Would make more sense to keep Peterson outside with JPJ to mentor Rush and keep King inside and drop Gunnar. I just don’t understand the decisions this team is making. They really make no sense if you are trying to build a team. Oh and Fire Crapnada

Yes and no.

Peterson can't play on the outside anymore....at least not how the Steelers are asking him to.

Why Gunnar is still on the roster....no idea.

We can not forget that the individual player factors in here as well. Peterson has been willing to step back and take on lesser roles. King may not want to do that. He may want to get increased snaps and opportunities to put recent NFL tape out there for when he hits FA this off-season.

Team may be releasing him at his request.

Also...Gunnar is likely gone when one of Johnson or McFarland gets activated off IR. So there are two moves coming to get spots on the 53 for McFarland and Johnson. My guess is Gunnar is gone and Williams gets cut hoping they can get him back to the PS.

[tube517]

Last hired first fired???

Also, they need to make room for McFarland and DJ off of IR and they are taking their time with reactivating them.

[steelreserve]

That’s my question. Will it end with one team waiting until he’s released to make him an offer, does this bring multiple teams offering trade value, or are agents making deals behind the scenes “illegally”?

Who needs a NB currently? Jets? Titans? The Dolphins have given up the most points, at week 5 anyway. NFCS teams look to need some defensive playmakers. Idk who but maybe we get a deal done vs just releasing him.

For something like this, you would just let him be released and sign him. Unless you really think another team is going to ace you out by making a trade first, or the player wouldn't want to sign with you voluntarily.

There is no waiver or claiming process for veterans like King, that is only for players on their rookie deals. Veterans go straight to free agency and anyone can sign them.

Anyway, I would think the smart way to approach it would just be to announce you are exploring trade offers, without saying anything about releasing him, but what do I know.

[86WARD]

Ok.

So Jpj starts. Peterson kicks inside. Sullivan backs up inside.

Makes them short an outside CB. King doesn’t look like what Steelers want their outside CBs to look like. Rush does.

James Pierre and Antwan Blake “looked like it” too.

It’s dumb to announce that he’s going to be cut. It instantly kills almost any trade value they had.

[Dwinsgames]

bottom line is King has PROVEN he can play ... several other CBs on our roster have proved they can not so why is King on his way out while we keep lessor talented players , makes zero sense but a lot of what has been going on with this team makes no sense

[Mojouw]

James Pierre and Antwan Blake “looked like it” too.

It’s dumb to announce that he’s going to be cut. It instantly kills almost any trade value they had.

Sure.

But the announce the cut or trade thing is just standard practice these days in the NFL. And it isn't like the teams call press conferences to make this announcement. As soon as you try to trade a guy or tell him he is going to get cut, the player or the agent leaks that to one of those Twitter morons that pass for NFL pundits these days.

I mean that is really what is going on here. Khan likely started calling around to gauge King's value. King's agent found out about this (or was told) and then told the player and the twitter world. So while it may be stupid...there isn't really a way around it. Especially because you usually hold guys out of practice when you are trying to trade them to avoid injury. Kind of tips your hand to the player and agent.

[tube517]

I get the physical traits that Moj is talking about but he was a rental for one year. Why not see if he can play slot? I don't get it. Stick with trash Sullivan and keep starting ole Pat Pete on the outside? SMH
King can play inside or out. Depth. I thought that his versatility would make Tomlin want him on the roster.

They must really like Rush that much. Head scratcher. I mean Rush had a pre draft visit with the Steelers but still.

Then again Moore is starting over Jones and JPJ still gets very limited snaps. I'm done trying to figure out anything. I think I have way too much time on my hands.

[Devilsdancefloor]

king looked good, but maybe there is a reason texans released him or maybe he wanst picking up the D? hes one D snap he didnt look that good, but again no DB has

[Rotorhead]

Pat Pete can’t cover #1’s anymore or 1A - 1B sets (like we are about to see), but he can still cover #2’s well enough and is still better than Wallace. Him and JPJ would work by providing deep cover over the top with a safety on his side and letting JPJ go 1 on 1. Then keep King in the slot to help with run support so we don’t have to drop another safety in the box and we can let one safety roam. That is what I would do for the remainder of the season at least.

That won’t solve teams with 2 #1’s, but there aren’t too many teams like that right now. We got 3 teams left, from what I can tell, that will pose problems with the above setup (Rams and Bengals x2). Pat Pete can mentor a couple up and coming CBs the rest of the season for next season or later this season.

Not that it matters, cause he is gone already, but I just don’t understand the logic behind it all.

[Mojouw]

There is another part in all of this....they may be looking for something different than what King provides in an effort to get MF back to a playmaking role.

So it may be about getting different kinds of athletes and body types on the field in certain packages more than just this or that CB has such and such INTs.

Maybe King was bad in run support during practice sessions? Maybe he struggled to contain TEs. Who knows....there are too many unknowns at this point.

But clarity might set in when we see the roles for each player over the next few weeks.

For me, and who knows what this is worth, the move makes the most sense if the primary 3rd CB becomes Pat Pete. Then he uses his vet savvy to jump routes, make plays, cause mayhem etc. And maybe Sullivan goes to playing a dime package role? Or perhaps they keep Neal out there more?

I can envision a number of scenarios where King just wasn't the fit they thought he would be....but there is no way to tell until we see some more football.

And unfortunately, I think King and Sullivan and Riley and whoever else at nickel/slot CB are now somewhat of an afterthought as I suspect the team is primarily looking at roster and role changes in order to achieve the goals of getting better in man coverage at outside CB and getting MF the heck out of the box and off of primary TE coverage duty.

[Rotorhead]

There is another part in all of this....they may be looking for something different than what King provides in an effort to get MF back to a playmaking role.

So it may be about getting different kinds of athletes and body types on the field in certain packages more than just this or that CB has such and such INTs.

Maybe King was bad in run support during practice sessions? Maybe he struggled to contain TEs. Who knows....there are too many unknowns at this point.

But clarity might set in when we see the roles for each player over the next few weeks.

For me, and who knows what this is worth, the move makes the most sense if the primary 3rd CB becomes Pat Pete. Then he uses his vet savvy to jump routes, make plays, cause mayhem etc. And maybe Sullivan goes to playing a dime package role? Or perhaps they keep Neal out there more?

I can envision a number of scenarios where King just wasn't the fit they thought he would be....but there is no way to tell until we see some more football.

And unfortunately, I think King and Sullivan and Riley and whoever else at nickel/slot CB are now somewhat of an afterthought as I suspect the team is primarily looking at roster and role changes in order to achieve the goals of getting better in man coverage at outside CB and getting MF the heck out of the box and off of primary TE coverage duty.

Good points, I did read that King was good in run support, so that was my confusion about all of the moves. Regardless, it is done now, all we can do is hope there was an actual good plan in all the moves.

[tube517]

There is another part in all of this....they may be looking for something different than what King provides in an effort to get MF back to a playmaking role.

So it may be about getting different kinds of athletes and body types on the field in certain packages more than just this or that CB has such and such INTs.

Maybe King was bad in run support during practice sessions? Maybe he struggled to contain TEs. Who knows....there are too many unknowns at this point.

But clarity might set in when we see the roles for each player over the next few weeks.

For me, and who knows what this is worth, the move makes the most sense if the primary 3rd CB becomes Pat Pete. Then he uses his vet savvy to jump routes, make plays, cause mayhem etc. And maybe Sullivan goes to playing a dime package role? Or perhaps they keep Neal out there more?

I can envision a number of scenarios where King just wasn't the fit they thought he would be....but there is no way to tell until we see some more football.

And unfortunately, I think King and Sullivan and Riley and whoever else at nickel/slot CB are now somewhat of an afterthought as I suspect the team is primarily looking at roster and role changes in order to achieve the goals of getting better in man coverage at outside CB and getting MF the heck out of the box and off of primary TE coverage duty.

Building for that big secondary. 2024 and forward should be JPJ/Trice/Rush. Pat Pete can be asst coach/backup.

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers...9O4Zd-tmsMRYDo

[Mojouw]

Building for that big secondary. 2024 and forward should be JPJ/Trice/Rush. Pat Pete can be asst coach/backup.

https://triblive.com/sports/steelers...9O4Zd-tmsMRYDo

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/10/st...-for-workouts/

They had 4 more CBs in and 3 of the 4 were big long armed fellas.

I think they want to be able to get to putting their outside CBs on islands in man coverage. It can allow them to do some cool things overall on defense. Look at the Browns D this year. They just slowed up the Niners offense more than anyone else. And they did it by doing fairly simple things on D. No fancy scheme stuff. They played man with one safety down in the box and they had their LBs push into their gaps. Then they got pass rush with 4.

I honestly think the Steelers really want to play the same way. But they can't because they keep having to cover up for poor CB coverage and weak LB play.

[86WARD]

What has Rush done to warrant being part of 2024s DB grouping. He’s not something to put into a group to be counted on.

[tube517]

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/10/pu...lers-expected/



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[tube517]

What has Rush done to warrant being part of 2024s DB grouping. He’s not something to put into a group to be counted on.

Who knows. They liked him in the draft. I am just guessing their plans but what do I know.

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[Mojouw]

I don’t think anyone is doing or saying that.

But they clearly want outside CBs that have arms long enough to tie up their cleats without bending over.

They got 3 of that type on the roster now.

Suspect they’ll collecting more.

[86WARD]

Who knows. They liked him in the draft. I am just guessing their plans but what do I know.

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They have Porter and Fitzpatrick. Anythjng after that is the equivalent of James Pierre or Antoine Brooks or Justin Layne or Tre Norwood or Artie Burns or Senquez Golson. It’s all garbage.

[NCSteeler]

bottom line is King has PROVEN he can play ... several other CBs on our roster have proved they can not so why is King on his way out while we keep lessor talented players , makes zero sense but a lot of what has been going on with this team makes no sense

How exactly did he prove he can play in our defense? Really just curious what I'm missing here

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[NCSteeler]

What has Rush done to warrant being part of 2024s DB grouping. He’s not something to put into a group to be counted on.

Standard Tomlin. He's a guy that had a pre draft visit. He loves those guys

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[Dwinsgames]

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/10/st...-for-workouts/

They had 4 more CBs in and 3 of the 4 were big long armed fellas.

I think they want to be able to get to putting their outside CBs on islands in man coverage. It can allow them to do some cool things overall on defense. Look at the Browns D this year. They just slowed up the Niners offense more than anyone else. And they did it by doing fairly simple things on D. No fancy scheme stuff. They played man with one safety down in the box and they had their LBs push into their gaps. Then they got pass rush with 4.

I honestly think the Steelers really want to play the same way. But they can't because they keep having to cover up for poor CB coverage and weak LB play.

as I have said already the entire coaching staff sucks Ahkello Witherspoon has been playing his ass off with the rams ( we shall see him Sunday) it seems DBs come here and forget how to play and leave and kick ass ....