Steelers select Nick Herbig, LB, Wisconsin #132 overall

[Bluecoat96]

No. He lost the trade on value. He got lucky to get a late third rounder at the end of the fourth. You don’t get props for mere good fortune.

Brandon Hunt, is that you?

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[pczach]

No. He lost the trade on value. He got lucky to get a late third rounder at the end of the fourth. You don’t get props for mere good fortune.

Oh.......OK.

I'm not sure what you have against Khan or what your perception about how the draft works is, but Khan and the Steelers draft room really couldn't have read the cards better or played their hand any better than they did. It was pretty remarkable.

But you do you.

[Mojouw]

Oh.......OK.

I'm not sure what you have against Khan or what your perception about how the draft works is, but Khan and the Steelers draft room really couldn't have read the cards better or played their hand any better than they did. It was pretty remarkable.

But you do you.

math says it was about an even swap: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...pdated-values/

but dude has his own bespoke trade chart. Friggin hipster draft experts!

[Orion]

if they try to use herbig as just a traditional 3-4 olb then it was a wasted pick. he doesnt have the size or strength to hold the edge. they need to be creative with him to showcase what he excels at.

[RunNGun]

if they try to use herbig as just a traditional 3-4 olb then it was a wasted pick. he doesnt have the size or strength to play in the scheme. they need to be creative with him to showcase what he excels at.

Agreed. I was listening to Kozora's podcast and it sounded like they will start Herbig off at Edge.

I hope they're not wasting time in his development if they do decide to switch him to ILB. The podcast brought up Sutton Smith, who many of us thought should have switched to ILB due to his size, but he ended up being cut because he couldn't hack it as an undersized edge.

[Dreegking]

This should be fun!

At #132....I can not find something not to like about this pick.

He can see the field right away in 2023 in some limited sub-packages as a modified OLB. Remember that package they ran with Dupree-Watt-Highsmith later in Highsmith's rookie year and it totally baffled teams? Herbig can do that right after he gets off the bus.

He is a smart football player with an excellent feel for the game and what offenses are trying to do.

BUT....he just isn't big enough to stick outside in the NFL. And I think that if he adds too much weight it will take away his quickness. I really hope they move him inside long term. The only reason he isn't viewed as a good ILB pick is that he has basically never done it. Not a ton of snaps where WISCO asked him to play in space. He was an attacking player for the most part. I am willing to bet that he can make the transition and could earn a starting ILB job in 2024.

I think he could be good inside. I don’t disagree. But…

he comes in to his first camp 2 pounds less than when Highsmith arrived. Sure Highsmith seemed to have a frame to add more weight easily. Which he has. But the reality is that they are within two pounds. And Herbig is carrying his weight quite nicely balanced. And he is shorter. Plus more productive if memory serves me correct. In a 3-4 I don’t think an OLB at 240 ish is a problem at all.

[Dreegking]

Oh.......OK.

I'm not sure what you have against Khan or what your perception about how the draft works is, but Khan and the Steelers draft room really couldn't have read the cards better or played their hand any better than they did. It was pretty remarkable.

But you do you.

lol. I have zero issue with Khan. He’s the guy I wanted from the start of the search process as the new GM. I had no issue with Colbert either. Liked him. Colour me stupid I guess.

but I also don’t masturbate over a GM. He messed up and got lucky. It was not fair return. But hey. It worked out. The only way that makes sense in the end ti give up more than you should get is if Broderick becomes kick ass. I sure hope he does. I like him more than Johnson in year three. So… And they got my coveted Herbig who I thought they stood no chance to get after giving up too much in the return. But they got him anyway. But they should not have. Even to Khan’s expectation. Which means he doesn’t value him as much as I do nor does he think he fave up to much. I do. He was fortunate.

Main point i was very happy with khan as a choice and he’s had a very good year one. He’s just not perfect and I’ll criticize him when I feel like it’s deserved. Let me guess your the parent who’s kids can do no wrong I bet. Lol. I know the type. You do you. Enjoy.

[Mojouw]

I think he could be good inside. I don’t disagree. But…

he comes in to his first camp 2 pounds less than when Highsmith arrived. Sure Highsmith seemed to have a frame to add more weight easily. Which he has. But the reality is that they are within two pounds. And Herbig is carrying his weight quite nicely balanced. And he is shorter. Plus more productive if memory serves me correct. In a 3-4 I don’t think an OLB at 240 ish is a problem at all.

It is not just the weight. There is no way he played at 240 ever in Madison. But just ignore all that....he has T-Rex arms for a 3-4 OLB. He is 2+ inches less than Watt and Highsmith. He might find a way to make work in the pass rush with movement and other stuff, but against the run? NFL OT's are just going to eat him alive with their reach and strength advantage. He looks similar to Malik Reed and we all just watched that not go well.

He measures out similar to Sutton Smith. And we saw him just get wiped out at the point of attack.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/sutton-smith

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/nick-herbig

I agree with yourself and other posters and the team....let Herbig take his shot at OLB. It is the shortest path to him having any kind of impact in 2023. But....I hope the team has had internal discussions about a plan to help Herbig attempt the transition to inside LB. Even Herbig gave multiple interviews in college about how he would be an inside backer at the NFL level.

[pczach]

lol. I have zero issue with Khan. He’s the guy I wanted from the start of the search process as the new GM. I had no issue with Colbert either. Liked him. Colour me stupid I guess.

but I also don’t masturbate over a GM. He messed up and got lucky. It was not fair return. But hey. It worked out. The only way that makes sense in the end ti give up more than you should get is if Broderick becomes kick ass. I sure hope he does. I like him more than Johnson in year three. So… And they got my coveted Herbig who I thought they stood no chance to get after giving up too much in the return. But they got him anyway. But they should not have. Even to Khan’s expectation. Which means he doesn’t value him as much as I do nor does he think he fave up to much. I do. He was fortunate.

Main point i was very happy with khan as a choice and he’s had a very good year one. He’s just not perfect and I’ll criticize him when I feel like it’s deserved. Let me guess your the parent who’s kids can do no wrong I bet. Lol. I know the type. You do you. Enjoy.

You're the one that was freaking out about it and criticizing Khan saying he made dumb moves and that he just got lucky.

He didn't make dumb moves. He made calculated moves along with the information he got from everyone in the war room that day and the extended scouting department. In his post-draft interview he explained some of the reasoning behind the trades. Washington was still available and they got an additional player they had very high on their board. A calculated risk paid off.

Now you come on here saying Khan was your man and everything is cool.

You don't know anything about me or my kids. If you did, you wouldn't say anything so stupid.

[Mojouw]

You're the one that was freaking out about it and criticizing Khan saying he made dumb moves and that he just got lucky.

He didn't make dumb moves. He made calculated moves along with the information he got from everyone in the war room that day and the extended scouting department. In his post-draft interview he explained some of the reasoning behind the trades. Washington was still available and they got an additional player they had very high on their board. A calculated risk paid off.

Now you come on here saying Khan was your man and everything is cool.

You don't know anything about me or my kids. If you did, you wouldn't say anything so stupid.

You can always tell the really good posters by how frequently they bring dicks into their posts. Only 150 posts in and dude is already talking about wieners. Clearly a strong football mind.

I think he might be Nate Herbig. Seems to fit everything.

[pczach]

You can always tell the really good posters by how frequently they bring dicks into their posts. Only 150 posts in and dude is already talking about wieners. Clearly a strong football mind.

I think he might be Nate Herbig. Seems to fit everything.

I just didn't realize I was masturbating over a GM. I don't know how I missed that!

[DesertSteel]

You're the one that was freaking out about it and criticizing Khan saying he made dumb moves and that he just got lucky.

He didn't make dumb moves. He made calculated moves along with the information he got from everyone in the war room that day and the extended scouting department. In his post-draft interview he explained some of the reasoning behind the trades. Washington was still available and they got an additional player they had very high on their board. A calculated risk paid off.

Now you come on here saying Khan was your man and everything is cool.

You don't know anything about me or my kids. If you did, you wouldn't say anything so stupid.

He’s an idiot.

[Mojouw]

I just didn't realize I was masturbating over a GM. I don't know how I missed that!

Clearly it was the erotic fan art shrine you have to Khan that was obscuring your memory.

Funny thing about all this is that unless dude believes the NFL is operating in a new manner that no one is aware of, the Steelers "won" their trade.

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calcu...pick-value.php

And that is just chart math, not even taking into account the tier drop after Jones at the OT position. I'm gonna go ahead and guess we will be graced with some scathing replies when classes let out for the day.

[pczach]

Clearly it was the erotic fan art shrine you have to Khan that was obscuring your memory.

Funny thing about all this is that unless dude believes the NFL is operating in a new manner that no one is aware of, the Steelers "won" their trade.

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calcu...pick-value.php

And that is just chart math, not even taking into account the tier drop after Jones at the OT position. I'm gonna go ahead and guess we will be graced with some scathing replies when classes let out for the day.

The move up for Jones was a steal. That move up normally takes a third round pick to jump from Pick #17 to Pick #14. Khan was able to negotiate moving up to Pick#14 while only giving up a fourth round pick. I'm sure some of that was Belichick trying to stick it to the Jets a bit so a division rival didn't get the offensive lineman they knew they wanted, but that doesn't matter. Khan was able to take advantage of the situation and secure the pick for limited compensation.

In a later round, Khan accepts a trade to move back and gets a fourth round pick for that.

So they get the stud OL they wanted in the first round.

They still got the stud CB with the #32 pick because he dropped. (Maybe they thought he would drop?)

By trading back they got another player they coveted with the trade down pick....and get the most physically dominant blocking TE in the draft with the additional pick they acquired.

I'm not sure how anyone looks at that and thinks....."Wow....What a dumb move. It was pure luck." As if no calculation of risk/reward was considered. When in fact, that's exactly what GMs do all the time while trying to navigate the draft to maximize value. It is literally the job description in regard to the draft.

Maybe we'll be graced by more dick posts.

[Mojouw]

The move up for Jones was a steal. That move up normally takes a third round pick to jump from Pick #17 to Pick #14. Khan was able to negotiate moving up to Pick#14 while only giving up a fourth round pick. I'm sure some of that was Belichick trying to stick it to the Jets a bit so a division rival didn't get the offensive lineman they knew they wanted, but that doesn't matter. Khan was able to take advantage of the situation and secure the pick for limited compensation.

In a later round, Khan accepts a trade to move back and gets a fourth round pick for that.

So they get the stud OL they wanted in the first round.

They still got the stud CB with the #32 pick because he dropped. (Maybe they thought he would drop?)

By trading back they got another player they coveted with the trade down pick....and get the most physically dominant blocking TE in the draft with the additional pick they acquired.

I'm not sure how anyone looks at that and thinks....."Wow....What a dumb move. It was pure luck." As if no calculation of risk/reward was considered. When in fact, that's exactly what GMs do all the time while trying to navigate the draft to maximize value. It is literally the job description in regard to the draft.

Maybe we'll be graced by more dick posts.

I got no ideas.

Despite appearances to the contrary; I am open to opinions other than my own. But I get grumpy and curmudgeonly when a poster offers nothing to support their claims and then seems to be combative in their interactions with others.

I mean....why?

In contrast look at the discussion on TEs in the who might get cut thread....a variety of different opinions and points of view....but seemed to be nice and cordial and no mentions of weenus...fairly amazing for the internet!

[pczach]

I got no ideas.

Despite appearances to the contrary; I am open to opinions other than my own. But I get grumpy and curmudgeonly when a poster offers nothing to support their claims and then seems to be combative in their interactions with others.

I mean....why?

In contrast look at the discussion on TEs in the who might get cut thread....a variety of different opinions and points of view....but seemed to be nice and cordial and no mentions of weenus...fairly amazing for the internet!

It really isn't hard. Just try to enjoy other people and share knowledge and ideas.

It was awesome how cordial everyone was in the draft thread. It was almost exclusively people discussing the who and when. Some really good thoughts. Almost everyone was positive and giving real feedback if they agreed or disagreed with something or were trying to make a point. Talking about football doesn't have to be contentious. To tell you the truth, the real fun in coming here is discussing football with people that have a mutual interest but don't necessarily see everything the way you do.

[86WARD]

Your bitching about 2 pounds? Maybe Highsmith had a big dinner the night before and didn’t take his morning dump?