Detroit Lions Sign Steelers CB Cam Sutton

[pczach]

The Lions gave Sutton a 3yr/$33M contract with a $11M signing bonus and $22.5M guaranteed. The Steelers were not offering that, nor should they have. I liked Sutton from his draft and loved we got him. But he has not been a ‘blue chip’ defender and other guys needed to get paid. Unfortunately, we can’t give every player those type contracts.

Edmunds obviously just wanted out. Whatever his reasons he was finished here.

Sutton played at a very high level his last season here. He was getting better each season he played here....and ascending player. Sutton would have been the perfect CB to have, because he would have been able to play slot if needed with Porter here and maybe Trice getting time outside. Two phyiscal press corners with a real slot corner that can also play outside. I don't see a downside there. Besides, his contract would look like a bargain in four years.

They did pay other players...like Patrick Peterson. He got a 2-year $14 million contract. 7 mil a year for a 33 year old for two seasons.

Edmunds left because they offered him next to nothing the previous couple years when they didn't pick up his 5th year on his rookie deal. He played his last year for next to nothing. He wasn't doing it again and they pissed him off. The team was wrong about that as well because Minkah now has to play out of position because they no longer have the personnel to play as they did when Edmunds was here. Edmunds walked, and the SS position is weaker, and the FS position is weaker because Minkah is nowhere near the player he was in this role as he is as a single high S.

It's done, but what I just said is exactly what has happened.

[Born2Steel]

Sutton played at a very high level his last season here. He was getting better each season he played here....and ascending player. Sutton would have been the perfect CB to have, because he would have been able to play slot if needed with Porter here and maybe Trice getting time outside. Two phyiscal press corners with a real slot corner that can also play outside. I don't see a downside there. Besides, his contract would look like a bargain in four years.

They did pay other players...like Patrick Peterson. He got a 2-year $14 million contract. 7 mil a year for a 33 year old for two seasons.

Edmunds left because they offered him next to nothing the previous couple years when they didn't pick up his 5th year on his rookie deal. He played his last year for next to nothing. He wasn't doing it again and they pissed him off. The team was wrong about that as well because Minkah now has to play out of position because they no longer have the personnel to play as they did when Edmunds was here. Edmunds walked, and the SS position is weaker, and the FS position is weaker because Minkah is nowhere near the player he was in this role as he is as a single high S.

It's done, but what I just said is exactly what has happened.

A bargain in 4 years?

[pczach]

A bargain in 4 years?

The salary keeps going up, and his contract and salary cap hit would not look so terrible in 4 years.

You ask that like you think Peterson's contract at $7 million per is saving money?

[86WARD]

I think you are selling Ike Taylor short. He was a true shutdown corner in his prime in my opinion. He just had hands of stone and could not catch the ball to get interceptions. If he could have he would have been a consistent pro-bowl/all-pro player I think.

Ike Taylor was pretty close to a shut down corner with bad hands.

[Born2Steel]

The salary keeps going up, and his contract and salary cap hit would not look so terrible in 4 years.

You ask that like you think Peterson's contract at $7 million per is saving money?

I didn't even bring up Peterson's contract. I showed what the Lions paid Sutton to also show that the Steelers were not going to pay that. That is why he left, not because the Steelers just let him walk. I'm sure they made him an offer to keep him. They were paying him $4.5M/yr before that. The Lions just came in with a better offer.

[pczach]

I didn't even bring up Peterson's contract. I showed what the Lions paid Sutton to also show that the Steelers were not going to pay that. That is why he left, not because the Steelers just let him walk. I'm sure they made him an offer to keep him. They were paying him $4.5M/yr before that. The Lions just came in with a better offer.

I'm comparing paying Peterson $7 mil a year compared to paying Cam Sutton $11 mil a year as a much younger player. I don't see how anyone can't bring up Peterson's contract when talking about Sutton. Peterson is basically replacing him for only $4 million less per season.

I'm saying the Steelers should have paid Sutton instead of paying Peterson. I said it when Sutton left and they signed Peterson.

I already knew and posted here that Peterson was no longer a man coverage corner. He was used mostly as a zone corner because that was all he could do effectively. They then draft Porter and Trice. Two big, physical press man cover corners that they plan to work in along with a 33 year old that can't play man? It never made sense to me.

That's why I believe they should have paid Sutton the money. It was a better fit, and I still think Sutton would have still been a good player in four seasons at 32 years old at what will be a reasonable number per inflation. That's all.

[Born2Steel]

Because I was responding to Tubes post.

[steelreserve]

I'm comparing paying Peterson $7 mil a year compared to paying Cam Sutton $11 mil a year as a much younger player. I don't see how anyone can't bring up Peterson's contract when talking about Sutton. Peterson is basically replacing him for only $4 million less per season.

I'm saying the Steelers should have paid Sutton instead of paying Peterson. I said it when Sutton left and they signed Peterson.

I already knew and posted here that Peterson was no longer a man coverage corner. He was used mostly as a zone corner because that was all he could do effectively. They then draft Porter and Trice. Two big, physical press man cover corners that they plan to work in along with a 33 year old that can't play man? It never made sense to me.

That's why I believe they should have paid Sutton the money. It was a better fit, and I still think Sutton would have still been a good player in four seasons at 32 years old at what will be a reasonable number per inflation. That's all.

If you want to to talk about money, how about the $8 million a season (possibly up to $11M with incentives) that we're paying a certain backup quarterback? Remember when some of us kept saying we could have used that money to sign a decent player somewhere else on the roster, and then a whole bunch of other people were like - pffft, it doesn't matter! What a riot.

[Born2Steel]

I wasn’t there so I can only speculate. I don’t think the Steelers were going to pay $11M/year to any CB this past offseason.
They were paying Sutton $4.5M/yr and, just for conversation, let’s say they offered $7M for him to stay. Sutton responded that the Lions were offering $11M/yr. The Steelers said good luck to you in Detroit. Then offered Peterson $7M/yr and he agreed to that. You could have the opinion that Sutton at $11M is the better deal over Peterson at $7M, but there is nothing in the careers of Sutton and Peterson that backs that up.

I do not see any correlation or significance other than what the Steelers were willing to pay the position. Had Peterson said he wanted $11M/yr I doubt he would have been signed. Had Sutton agreed to $7M/yr I think he would still be a Steeler. But again, I wasn’t there. Only speculation.

[pczach]

If you want to to talk about money, how about the $8 million a season (possibly up to $11M with incentives) that we're paying a certain backup quarterback? Remember when some of us kept saying we could have used that money to sign a decent player somewhere else on the roster, and then a whole bunch of other people were like - pffft, it doesn't matter! What a riot.

I understood why they wanted Mitch Trubisky to be around and I was ok with it, but I said at the time if they could sign a big free agent or keep a quality player, that would have a bigger impact on helping the team than a quarterback that would hopefully not even play.

[El Kabong]

I understood why they wanted Mitch Trubisky to be around and I was ok with it, but I said at the time if they could sign a big free agent or keep a quality player, that would have a bigger impact on helping the team than a quarterback that would hopefully not even play.

When they signed Trubisky it was before the draft. I'm sure they planned to draft a QB in round 1, but they couldn't have known who would be available when it was their turn to pick and so had to cover their bases by signing a free agent QB. Well, unless they wanted to risk Mason being their starter last year.

[pczach]

When they signed Trubisky it was before the draft. I'm sure they planned to draft a QB in round 1, but they couldn't have known who would be available when it was their turn to pick and so had to cover their bases by signing a free agent QB. Well, unless they wanted to risk Mason being their starter last year.

Steelreserve meant after they drafted Pickett they could have released or traded Trubisky at the end of last season so they would have more money to sign players.