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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    The guy wins every single game, and people bitch about the manner in which he wins every game. He does better than any of the other guys who came before him in the same offense with the same players, and people bitch that it's just the system and the supporting cast. He completes a lot of passes and throws a bunch of touchdowns, but apparently they weren't impressive completions and touchdowns.

    You know how people here say "We could go undefeated and score 30 points a game, and some fans would STILL complain." This is literally that.

    Like, I get it, the guy isn't your Tommy Touchdown archetype, 6'5" with cool sunglasses and a ton of swagger and throws the ball 60 yards with a flick of his wrist. Whatever he's doing has been working, though. It took about 2 games for opposing teams to figure out our one-dimensional QBs, so if we're still waiting for the big gotcha moment, we'll probably be waiting a while.

    What Purdy has that 90% of QB prospects do not is the intangible attribute that his first instinct is usually the right one, or at least good enough. Teams waste years trying to teach that when a highly-drafted QB just doesn't "get it." Then those guys bounce around for a few more years, disappointing other teams who think THEY can fix it (we have one of these on our roster). Your 4th and 5th-rounders who don't get it wind up out of the league in a couple years because they aren't worth the trouble. This is the NFL, everyone has a good arm and decent skills, except occasionally when some team is blinded by a "freak athlete." Being able to react in a split-second and have it be the RIGHT reaction is priceless.
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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    The guy wins every single game, and people bitch about the manner in which he wins every game. He does better than any of the other guys who came before him in the same offense with the same players, and people bitch that it's just the system and the supporting cast. He completes a lot of passes and throws a bunch of touchdowns, but apparently they weren't impressive completions and touchdowns.

    You know how people here say "We could go undefeated and score 30 points a game, and some fans would STILL complain." This is literally that.

    Like, I get it, the guy isn't your Tommy Touchdown archetype, 6'5" with cool sunglasses and a ton of swagger and throws the ball 60 yards with a flick of his wrist. Whatever he's doing has been working, though. It took about 2 games for opposing teams to figure out our one-dimensional QBs, so if we're still waiting for the big gotcha moment, we'll probably be waiting a while.

    What Purdy has that 90% of QB prospects do not is the intangible attribute that his first instinct is usually the right one, or at least good enough. Teams waste years trying to teach that when a highly-drafted QB just doesn't "get it." Then those guys bounce around for a few more years, disappointing other teams who think THEY can fix it (we have one of these on our roster). Your 4th and 5th-rounders who don't get it wind up out of the league in a couple years because they aren't worth the trouble. This is the NFL, everyone has a good arm and decent skills, except occasionally when some team is blinded by a "freak athlete." Being able to react in a split-second and have it be the RIGHT reaction is priceless.
    I'll wait and see when Canada produces such a great QB with his next team. Before I'll say Pickett is clearly holding this offense from being a Purdy led 49ers team.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    This thread could clearly be a Canada vs Shanahan thread expect for a few folks think 2/3 of a season is good enough to be trash or next HOF class

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Duck Hodges was right almost all of the time. Didn't matter.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Purdy only throws dong touchdown passes!

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Because one guy plays in the most QB friendly offense in the entire league and another plays in one of the worst passing offenses in the entire league. If we are evaluating both as frisky back-up QBs - then sure they are both that.
    West Coast offense was maybe the most QB friendly offense everÖ

    Too early to judge any of it either way. Like I said, maybe this is the bottom of Purdy, maybe this is the top end of Purdy only time will tell. Maybe he becomes the legend of Brock Purdy or maybe he becomes a legendÖagain, just like you say about Pickett, itís too early to tell. All your criticisms (only rolling left, canít hit a tight window) itís like you didnít watch any of him play. Like not even a highlight reel?

    Still donít get why you canít evaluate Pickett either way but you can evaluate Purdy on less timeÖ


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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Purdy basically had the same skill set as Kyle Lauletta a few years ago from Richmond. Not a strong arm, not the tallest guy, but one that makes quick decisions and fairly accurate passes. The amount of starting experience at the college level that Purdy has was a benefit and I thought he might go around the 5th round of the draft.

    If Purdy was in Pittsburgh, fans would be complaining about his weak arm. He has a top O line and great skill players around him in Deebo, Kittle, McCaffrey, plus that 49ers defense is much better than the Steelers have. They are doing enough to win with Purdy and good for him.
    Not with the big plays beyond 20 yards that Purdy, they wouldn't. San Fransisco's offensive with Jimmy G or Trey Lance wasn't as good was it? Purdy as a rookie is completing 67.1% of his passes, throws an average of 8.1 yard pet attempts ( 2nd in the NFL ) and has 13 TD's and only 4 Interceptions. He has fumbled zero times as had a passer rating of 107.3 which is tops in the NFL .

    https://www.nfl.com/players/brock-purdy/stats/career
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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    West Coast offense was maybe the most QB friendly offense ever…

    Too early to judge any of it either way. Like I said, maybe this is the bottom of Purdy, maybe this is the top end of Purdy only time will tell. Maybe he becomes the legend of Brock Purdy or maybe he becomes a legend…again, just like you say about Pickett, it’s too early to tell. All your criticisms (only rolling left, can’t hit a tight window) it’s like you didn’t watch any of him play. Like not even a highlight reel?

    Still don’t get why you can’t evaluate Pickett either way but you can evaluate Purdy on less time…
    Because Purdy is playing in excellent offensive system surrounded by elite playmakers and one of the best offensive lines in football.

    Pickett is playing in a brain-dead offensive system surrounded by hit or miss developing playmakers and one of the worst pass blocking lines I watched this year. I have posted previously about how hard it is to judge anything on the Steelers offense because you can't tell if the route concepts were flawed, the way the route was run was poor, the timing was off because everyone involved is inexperienced, or the QB felt rushed because the left side of the offensive line caved in. Or perhaps some combination of those. As the season went on - it got better and it became pretty clear that KP was a credible NFL starting QB that needed additional work to reach his full potential. I've never really said much else than that.

    It still isn't clear what his ceiling can be. Multiple things have been posted with detailed play by play breakdowns of the good KP does and the bad where he misses big plays due to what seems to be inexperience or being overly cautious. Again...as many of us have said...is that a KP thing or a Canada sux thing? Too hard to tell right now.

    What Purdy is doing is no different than the heater that Foles went on to help get the Iggles a SB win. Then Foles went back to being a back-up QB. This is no different than that.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by Six Rings View Post
    Not with the big plays beyond 20 yards that Purdy, they wouldn't. San Fransisco's offensive with Jimmy G or Trey Lance wasn't as good was it? Purdy as a rookie is completing 67.1% of his passes, throws an average of 8.1 yard pet attempts ( 2nd in the NFL ) and has 13 TD's and only 4 Interceptions. He has fumbled zero times as had a passer rating of 107.3 which is tops in the NFL .

    https://www.nfl.com/players/brock-purdy/stats/career
    Look at the stats when Jimmy G had Deeboa, Aiyuk, Kittle, and CMC all playing - -https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GaroJi00.htm. Pretty similar.

    Garapollo and Purdy rank last and second to last in air yards on explosive passing plays. A complicated way of saying that the both toss it short to terrifying playmakers who then YAC it up. On Deebo Samuel's long TD against the Seahawks, the pass was like a 7 yard out and then Samuel took off for like 60+ more yards and the score. I could've thrown that pass.

    The system and playmakers are impressive.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    West Coast offense was maybe the most QB friendly offense ever…
    In actuality, Montana was nothing special either.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Seriously?

    We got Brock Purdy as a legitimate NFL QB that isn't being propped up by the best situation in the entire league.
    We have Joe Montana as a systems QB that was nothing remarkable.
    Josh Allen is average at best.

    No wonder so many on here were excited about the potential of the Trubisky experience. What is going on around here? Has Matt Canada running the offense just broken so many people that we can no longer recognize what good QB play does and does not look like?

    Burrow and Purdy play in almost the same system. At least with the same core principles. Who is the more impressive QB?
    Is Tua a legitimate MVP candidate or was we buoyed by a similar system and the best WR tandem in the league? If he is not a MVP candidate, what is different about his situation than Purdy?

    Purdy is perhaps the most exciting story of the 2022 NFL season. Everyone like to root for the "total unknown....out of nowhere..." guy riding a wave of success. But c'mon.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by Six Rings View Post
    Not with the big plays beyond 20 yards that Purdy, they wouldn't. San Fransisco's offensive with Jimmy G or Trey Lance wasn't as good was it? Purdy as a rookie is completing 67.1% of his passes, throws an average of 8.1 yard pet attempts ( 2nd in the NFL ) and has 13 TD's and only 4 Interceptions. He has fumbled zero times as had a passer rating of 107.3 which is tops in the NFL .

    https://www.nfl.com/players/brock-purdy/stats/career
    It help to have play like this


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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Jimmy G had great stats this year and in 2019 and 2021 too and it was even better since McCaffrey is with the 49ers....This is by far the best situation for a QB right now because of Shanahan and also the talents of this offense

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Because Purdy is playing in excellent offensive system surrounded by elite playmakers and one of the best offensive lines in football.

    Pickett is playing in a brain-dead offensive system surrounded by hit or miss developing playmakers and one of the worst pass blocking lines I watched this year. I have posted previously about how hard it is to judge anything on the Steelers offense because you can't tell if the route concepts were flawed, the way the route was run was poor, the timing was off because everyone involved is inexperienced, or the QB felt rushed because the left side of the offensive line caved in. Or perhaps some combination of those. As the season went on - it got better and it became pretty clear that KP was a credible NFL starting QB that needed additional work to reach his full potential. I've never really said much else than that.

    It still isn't clear what his ceiling can be. Multiple things have been posted with detailed play by play breakdowns of the good KP does and the bad where he misses big plays due to what seems to be inexperience or being overly cautious. Again...as many of us have said...is that a KP thing or a Canada sux thing? Too hard to tell right now.

    What Purdy is doing is no different than the heater that Foles went on to help get the Iggles a SB win. Then Foles went back to being a back-up QB. This is no different than that.
    Thereís been plenty of QBs who couldnít do it in Shanahanís system. Kirk Cousins, Johnny Manziel, Brian Hoyer, Matt Ryan early on did not succeed with Shanahan. Does that mean Purdy is better than those guys out of the gate but still not good?

    So Pickett canít still be evaluated based on his decisions and style of play because heís in a shitty offense but since Purdy is in a good offense, the jury is in?

    I guess Patrick Mahomes would be in the same category as Purdy since he plays in a very, very, VERY QB friendly offense?


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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Fine.

    I give up.

    Brock Purdy is going to continue to thrive and flourish and have a long productive career as a playoff caliber starting QB.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    If Brock Purdy was so good, he wouldn't be Mr. Irrelevant. 32 teams (Including the 49ers themselves) passed him up several times. Sometimes, things just line up.

    Purdy got his (rare) chance in the NFL and he's seized it. Good for him.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Seriously?

    We got Brock Purdy as a legitimate NFL QB that isn't being propped up by the best situation in the entire league.
    We have Joe Montana as a systems QB that was nothing remarkable.
    Josh Allen is average at best.
    Lighten up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Burrow and Purdy play in almost the same system. At least with the same core principles. Who is the more impressive QB?
    To answer your questions legitimately, you have to compare the rookie seasons and Purdy's is better. Of course, Purdy has more weapons. But the point remains that none of us know how good Purdy will ultimately be. He is succeeding with the system he was placed into. What else is he supposed to do that would be impressive? If QB talent could be figured out, GMs would never get fired and there would never be first round busts.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    KP had to work behind a weak o line that gradually got better as the season went on but he still had a lot of pressure coming from his left. Not to mention a pretty clueless OC. Purdy seems to have a lot more solid support in SF, and to me he still looked like a game manager in a playoff game. Just imo.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Fine.

    I give up.

    Brock Purdy is going to continue to thrive and flourish and have a long productive career as a playoff caliber starting QB.
    until he loses to the Eagles this Sunday, anyway.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    We'll see what happens next year. Purdy has a huge advantage having multiple elite playmakers who are all in their PRIME right now. Kenny has playmakers with potential but they are still young and inexperienced guys. Next year I predict a good step forward for our offense
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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Lots of great logic here about how it's nothing more than the other players and the offensive scheme.

    You know who sucks, then? Jalen Hurts. Surrounded by a talented team in an offense designed specifically for him. Why, put him on a shitty team with a shitty offense and he'd be shitty too. Total product of the system - career backup at best. Anybody could do what he does if you just put them on the Eagles.

    See how dumb that looks?
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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Which QB got the higher Wonderlic score? That’s what we should be asking.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by polamalubeast View Post
    It help to have play like this

    Yeah, I dont know why some people just cant watch a football game and see that some QB's dont have a strong arm and other do? They need to find stats to make their decision.

    Purdy fits that system, but he really isnt any different than Mac Jones from a skill point of view, but more athletic and 6'0.5". Good for him but Pickett has the better skillset and upside.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Pickett has the better skillset and upside.
    Agree. But do you think that a great fit is at least half the reason for a great career? I also think Pickett is a great fit for the Steelers. As for Purdy, there is way more TBD than with Pickett IMO.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Agree. But do you think that a great fit is at least half the reason for a great career? I also think Pickett is a great fit for the Steelers. As for Purdy, there is way more TBD than with Pickett IMO.
    Sure, but a young QB best friend is a great defense and solid O line. SF has that, while the Steelers dont at this point.

    I think Pickett is in a good situation where he was allowed to ease his way into the Steelers offense. He has some good young rec around him in Pickens, Friermuth and DJ, but the O line needs upgrading and so does the Steelers defensive line. The Steelers offense is rebuilding enough where they can run an offense based on Pickett strengths. He isnt Big Ben with the big arm, so I would not expect an offense with the same characteristics.

    The 49ers can win right now with Purdy. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls and the 49ers have a similar blueprint currently with a strong defense, solid O line and playmakers at the skill positions. But so do the Eagles and we will see which one comes out on top this weekend.

    I am fine with Pickett at this point. I have always made the Hasselbeck comparison and that is about the best you can do when you are picking around #20 all the time.

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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    There’s been plenty of QBs who couldn’t do it in Shanahan’s system. Kirk Cousins, Johnny Manziel, Brian Hoyer, Matt Ryan early on did not succeed with Shanahan. Does that mean Purdy is better than those guys out of the gate but still not good?

    So Pickett can’t still be evaluated based on his decisions and style of play because he’s in a shitty offense but since Purdy is in a good offense, the jury is in?

    I guess Patrick Mahomes would be in the same category as Purdy since he plays in a very, very, VERY QB friendly offense?

    This is true. So is you need talent as a quarterback in the system. Pudry has it.
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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Fine.

    I give up.

    Brock Purdy is going to continue to thrive and flourish and have a long productive career as a playoff caliber starting QB.
    Itís not about giving up. Its just too early to say either way that heís ďgoodĒ or notÖ

    He could go out and lay an egg this weekend (which I think he will) but then comeback next season and pick up at a high level or maybe just spiral down from here. We donít know. Same as we donít know for Pickett but the arrow seems to point up for both of them at the moment.


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    Re: Kenny Pickett vs Brock Purdy

    Quote Originally Posted by Edman View Post
    If Brock Purdy was so good, he wouldn't be Mr. Irrelevant. 32 teams (Including the 49ers themselves) passed him up several times. Sometimes, things just line up.

    Purdy got his (rare) chance in the NFL and he's seized it. Good for him.
    If Brady or AB were any good, they wouldnít have lasted to the 6th roundÖ


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