Backup QB

[Orion]

well the bears chose not to keep him in spite of the W’s and with a stacked team. If he was good they would pay him. This tells me he’s really flawed which is supported by his horrible on target rate, the fact no one else wanted him as a starter and the ineffectiveness he’s shown as a starter with us and the erratic inconsistency as a backup. The high price tag for this stuff makes it worse. I hope he gets another shot at a starting gig somewhere else

i agree he hasnt shown to be solid starting material. you had concerns of him in a backup roll and stated you doubt he could produce a .500 record. well he has already produced better than .500 records in 3 different seasons. a 10-4, a 6-3 and an 8-7.
they have just as much chance as him coming in off the bench as mason . backups are backups, because they aren't starter quality. not very often does a qb relegated to backup duty ever become a successful starter. the thing that pisses me off is the $$$. he should be making 5 at most.

[Steeler-in-west]

i agree he hasnt shown to be solid starting material. you had concerns of him in a backup roll and stated you doubt he could produce a .500 record. well he has already produced better than .500 records in 3 different seasons. a 10-4, a 6-3 and an 8-7.
they have just as much chance as him coming in off the bench as mason . backups are backups, because they aren't starter quality. not very often does a qb relegated to backup duty ever become a successful starter. the thing that pisses me off is the $$$. he should be making 5 at most.

you know, not sure about that. What i don't like about MT is he can't throw accurately (not consistently) - even simple passes in the flat - see the chart of on target rates - i dug it up and posted it here once - he's the worst. And when he tries to elevate his game we get the Raven's fiasco. Mason is mediocre but he seems to know his limitations better. I would be more confident of him letting the defense win the game for us than Mitch.

I don't know what happened in Chicago, but if they let him go in spite of the winning record to me that says the coaches viewed him as holding back a good bears team.

[86WARD]

Rudolph has about the same throwing ability as Trubisky and is about as mobile as a kid birthed by Dan Marino and Peyton Manning.

Trubisky on the market and Rudolph in the market, Trubisky is getting signed 32/32 over Rudolph.

[polamalubeast]

We need to stop as if the Ravens game were the norm for Mitch when he was the backup....It was very rare that Rudolph had a game as Mitch had vs Bucs and Panthers when he was the backup.The norm for Rudolph was the game vs Detroit,around 5 YPA.....

[DesertSteel]

They both suck.

[86WARD]

They both suck.

[Orion]

you know, not sure about that. What i don't like about MT is he can't throw accurately (not consistently) - even simple passes in the flat - see the chart of on target rates - i dug it up and posted it here once - he's the worst. And when he tries to elevate his game we get the Raven's fiasco. Mason is mediocre but he seems to know his limitations better. I would be more confident of him letting the defense win the game for us than Mitch.

I don't know what happened in Chicago, but if they let him go in spite of the winning record, to me that says the coaches viewed him as holding back a good bears team.

well...if you think about it, the level of consistency is the difference between a starter and a backup. It also separates the quality of starters. Tom Brady was more consistent than Big Ben. That is why he has way more SB rings. well that an all the cheating.

[Born2Steel]

None of the ‘camp arms’ are going to throw a better looking ball than Mason or Mitch. I think, my opinion, is Mitch is just a better QB than Mason. If one of these camp arms can show enough ‘Josh Dobbs’ as the 3, maybe he beats out MR’s better arm. ??

[EzraTank]

There is no way in hell both of them should be on this team next year, but they just added two more years to Trustinky's deal which makes no sense to keep Rudolph.

Here are Trustinky's new cap numbers:



I like Khan's draft but have NO clue why you would give this dude THIS much money. He stinks.

[Born2Steel]

There is no way in hell both of them should be on this team next year, but they just added two more years to Trustinky's deal which makes no sense to keep Rudolph.

Here are Trustinky's new cap numbers:



I like Khan's draft but have NO clue why you would give this dude THIS much money. He stinks.

That’s a really good deal for the backup QB. Is that accurate?

[DesertSteel]

Trubisky is not worth those numbers. No wonder he signed.

[86WARD]

That’s a really good deal for the backup QB. Is that accurate?

Seems about normal for a veteran back up QB.

Garropolo, Keenum, Bridgewater, Taylor and Darnold were all in that range.

[Steeler-in-west]

We have three or more threads about the backup QB’s, but not much discussion about the starter, not sure if that’s a good or bad thing.

[pczach]

We have three or more threads about the backup QB’s, but not much discussion about the starter, not sure if that’s a good or bad thing.

I hope Kenny Pickett is locked in a film room every night mastering his command of the offense.....and working on the physical aspects of his game all day to become more mechanically proficient and becoming the franchise quarterback we all hope he will be.

Who needs to sleep?

[Dwinsgames]

I hope Kenny Pickett is locked in a film room every night mastering his command of the offense.....and working on the physical aspects of his game all day to become more mechanically proficient and becoming the franchise quarterback we all hope he will be.

Who needs to sleep?

hopefully doing such a thing doesn't hamstring him even more ..I mean how much influence of Canada can one man take ??

[EzraTank]

That’s a really good deal for the backup QB. Is that accurate?

Yes.

[steelreserve]

That’s a really good deal for the backup QB. Is that accurate?

$6 million, $7.5 million, and $8.7 million. No, that's not a good deal for the backup QB.

$2 million is a good deal for the backup QB. $4 million or $5 million is acceptable. Guys who make more than that are usually getting paid that much because they signed as a possible starter in a really shaky situation and then got benched. This is just us paying an inordinate amount of money for a bad player. Who we already knew was bad and should've been released instead. It's almost as if we're seeing how much of the advantage of having a starting QB on a cheap rookie contract we can flat-out squander. Well, there's at least a third of it. Stupid.

[Mojouw]

Who are the good backups making $2 million? And NOT on first contracts?

Maybe if we all use the same measuring sticks, there might be more consensus.

[tube517]

I started this thread before free agency and the draft and did not think Mitch or Mason would be back.

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[86WARD]

$6 million, $7.5 million, and $8.7 million. No, that's not a good deal for the backup QB.

$2 million is a good deal for the backup QB. $4 million or $5 million is acceptable. Guys who make more than that are usually getting paid that much because they signed as a possible starter in a really shaky situation and then got benched. This is just us paying an inordinate amount of money for a bad player. Who we already knew was bad and should've been released instead. It's almost as if we're seeing how much of the advantage of having a starting QB on a cheap rookie contract we can flat-out squander. Well, there's at least a third of it. Stupid.

[Steeler-in-west]

I hope Kenny Pickett is locked in a film room every night mastering his command of the offense.....and working on the physical aspects of his game all day to become more mechanically proficient and becoming the franchise quarterback we all hope he will be.

Who needs to sleep?

In addition to that maybe he’ll realize he needs to call more of his own plays, like the audible that created the TD pass to Najee.

[Steeler-in-west]

Mitch and Mason have no where else to go. As far as Mitch, I see it as the Steelers are stuck with him….and they’re fine with that as long as he’s not starting, Mason is extra insurance in case guys go down. And in case Mitch shits the bed, which he’s done a few times with the team already

[Craic]

$6 million, $7.5 million, and $8.7 million. No, that's not a good deal for the backup QB.

$2 million is a good deal for the backup QB. $4 million or $5 million is acceptable. Guys who make more than that are usually getting paid that much because they signed as a possible starter in a really shaky situation and then got benched. This is just us paying an inordinate amount of money for a bad player. Who we already knew was bad and should've been released instead. It's almost as if we're seeing how much of the advantage of having a starting QB on a cheap rookie contract we can flat-out squander. Well, there's at least a third of it. Stupid.

That's exactly what this is. He would have earned $8 million this year already with a cap hit of $10 million. That got extended with $4 million being prorated to this year and $2 million to the next two years. That's starter money he was already promised. So, he's basically cashed out of his contract (but prorated) and then given a backup salary of $2 million this year, $5.3 million next year and $6.4 million the year after, exactly what you say is acceptable (except the last year gets a bit higher). And, with the $4 million hit this year on the prorated money, we can dump him after next year before that 8 million dollar hit and be saddled with only 2 million in dead money for one year. Coincidently, if he stays for the entire contract, the money he earns is then freed for Pickett's second contract negotiation. But I don't think he says. I think the cut him after next year.

[ETL]

Two things:

I didn’t know Trubisky was shorter than Pickett. For some reason he looks taller.

I think an argument can be made for Mitch being one of the best if not the best backup QB in the league. I think what he is getting paid is fair

[polamalubeast]

$6 million, $7.5 million, and $8.7 million. No, that's not a good deal for the backup QB.

$2 million is a good deal for the backup QB. $4 million or $5 million is acceptable. Guys who make more than that are usually getting paid that much because they signed as a possible starter in a really shaky situation and then got benched. This is just us paying an inordinate amount of money for a bad player. Who we already knew was bad and should've been released instead. It's almost as if we're seeing how much of the advantage of having a starting QB on a cheap rookie contract we can flat-out squander. Well, there's at least a third of it. Stupid.

It would been a lot like 5-10 years ago but in 2023,this is a good deal for a good backup QB...The salary cap is at around 230 millions now....If you want a bad contract for a backup QB,look at Mike Glennon several ago when he had a contract of 30 millions for 2 years with the bears(the second years was not guarenteed but still).Mitch is a much better QB that Glennon...

[DuckHodges]

It would been a lot like 5-10 years ago but in 2023,this is a good deal for a good backup QB...The salary cap is at around 230 millions now....If you want a bad contract for a backup QB,look at Mike Glennon several ago when he had a contract of 30 millions for 2 years with the bears(the second years was not guarenteed but still).Mitch is a much better QB that Glennon...

Mitch and Glennon had one thing in common, usually they equaled loss for us lol.

[steelreserve]

That's exactly what this is. He would have earned $8 million this year already with a cap hit of $10 million. That got extended with $4 million being prorated to this year and $2 million to the next two years. That's starter money he was already promised. So, he's basically cashed out of his contract (but prorated) and then given a backup salary of $2 million this year, $5.3 million next year and $6.4 million the year after, exactly what you say is acceptable (except the last year gets a bit higher). And, with the $4 million hit this year on the prorated money, we can dump him after next year before that 8 million dollar hit and be saddled with only 2 million in dead money for one year. Coincidently, if he stays for the entire contract, the money he earns is then freed for Pickett's second contract negotiation. But I don't think he says. I think the cut him after next year.

It is not the same thing. Trubisky got paid one of those "potential starter in the worst case" deals, and that sorted itself out with him fucking up royally and us no longer needing a potential starter. That part of it is over. You don't extend it for three more years, you either ride out the expiring contract or just dump him now. I don't see any benefit to keeping a guy like that on the roster at anything above bare-minimum pay.

[Mojouw]

I’ll ask again.

Who are the more desirable than MT backup QBs on cheaper second or third contracts?

I say this with the full acknowledgment that I hate Trubisky the player with a burning passion and seriously questioned the Steelers sanity when they signed him.

But I’m not seeing these sub 4 million quality backups.

[Steeler-in-west]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/21/20...tt-andy-dalton

Funny, Trubisky is not on this list of top backups going into 2023. The Patriots for instance, signed Bridgewater for about 1 million per year.

We paid starter money to a guy who is an average backup - at best average

[DesertSteel]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/03/21/20...tt-andy-dalton

Funny, Trubisky is not on this list of top backups going into 2023. The Patriots for instance, signed Bridgewater for about 1 million per year.

We paid starter money to a guy who is an average backup - at best average

Okay. Let’s be clear. $8 is NOT starter money. This isn’t 1998. Everything else I agree with.