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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather View Post
    He might not have been ready Week 1.
    He would have if he had the first team snaps in training camp
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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    The Steelers finish 3rd in the AFC North, which mean they will play the Patriots, Colts, and Raiders in 2023.

    They will also play the AFC South and the NFC West. Jaguars, Titans, Texans, 49ers, Rams, Seahawks, and Cardinals.

    Their NFC opponent will be from the North. I think it'll be the Packers.

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ETL View Post
    Great season! To have a winning record with a rookie qb is a heck of a job!
    It was a great second half of the season. TJ missing games then playing hurt made it impressive. They got the offense in gear once KP took over. But if they don’t learn from their mistakes it won’t mean anything. They need a decent coordinator and qb coach to help KP get to the next level and shore up the defense and O line in the off-season - and lastly dump MT who doesn’t want to be here and find a reliable vet to backup KP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edman View Post
    The Steelers finish 3rd in the AFC North, which mean they will play the Patriots, Colts, and Raiders in 2023.

    They will also play the AFC South and the NFC West. Jaguars, Titans, Texans, 49ers, Rams, Seahawks, and Cardinals.

    Their NFC opponent will be from the North. I think it'll be the Packers.
    It will be Detroit or Green Bay(the loser of tonight game)

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    Might need a TE too…

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    you are a Kenny Pickett enabler

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Yeah, they didn't win the Super Bowl. Oh well.

    They did better than I thought they would at the beginning of the season.

    I think the players enjoy playing for Tomlin and also enjoy playing for the Steelers.

    I think the Steelers realized in the 70's it wasn't just about winning Super Bowls.

    They moved on to become something greater.

    I don't have any references to cite though.

    It's more about something that transcends words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    DRAFT:
    The first pick in R2 is HUUUGE!!! We have 12 hours to look over every prospect and choose the one that "slipped" through R1, and also, team throw a ton of picks at you. Off the top of my head:

    18: Peezy, Jr., CB, Penn St.
    32: O'Cyrus Torrance, OG, Florida
    50: Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio St.
    82: Jarrett Patterson, C, Notre Dame

    FREE AGENT:
    Having a rookie QB gives us freedom to spend.

    Bring in the best DT possible: DaRon Payne or Javon Hargrave.
    Bring in Tremaine Edmunds (ILB). I would replace that with Roquan Smith and I'm 100% behind this, although Tremaine wouldn't be bad either.
    Re-sign Cam Sutton and Terrell Edmunds.
    I would also explore the possibly that Davante Adams wants out of Vegas. I would trade DJ and our 2nd rounder for him. If Pickett had Adams and Pickens to throw to, this offense would be scary good. Adams just turned 30 and he's signed through the rest of Picketts rookie deal so we could opt out of the deal when Kenny would be due his first pay day.

    You also forgot FIRE MATT CANADA!
    See above.

    I'm actually looking forward to next year if all that happens. I think with a competent OC this team has 11-12 wins in it. We need to replace Tyson Alualu and Bush desperately. What today proved is that Deshaun "rub and a tug" Watson is not good.

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Might need a TE too…
    I like the idea of taking Darnell Washington from Georgia with 32 if he is there . Freak of nature , 6’7 280. TE that can move catch and block.

    Its almost like having a pulling Tackle (if that makes sense) that sneaks out for catches every now and then.

    he would fit our power football culture we are trying to build, and also hopefully he has a good relationship with Pickens so they can feed off each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Steeler View Post
    I like the idea of taking Darnell Washington from Georgia with 32 if he is there . Freak of nature , 6’7 280. TE that can move catch and block.

    Its almost like having a pulling Tackle (if that makes sense) that sneaks out for catches every now and then.

    he would fit our power football culture we are trying to build, and also hopefully he has a good relationship with Pickens so they can feed off each other.
    That guy is not only huge, he's a huge question mark. Such as, why is he not more of the Georgia offense? The answer I keep getting is he is fairly slow, probably due to his size. And the targets he does get are plays designed to get him the ball. He's not going to run himself open in other words. Personally, I would love to add him, I just don't like his value at where we would have to take him. I think he's going to be a nice weapon for whoever does draft him though.

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    My initial thoughts.

    Replace Matt Canada with someone who has proven REDZONE td production as a offensive coach. We suck when we are 20yard to goal line.

    bookend LT , either draft or FA

    So far I like Skoranski from Northwestern

    A veteren edge rusher specialists . Who only comes in when TJ is gassed or injured. Or 3rd downs

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    JETS:
    -missed FG
    -Garret Wilson trips over his own feet on the way to a TD
    -Jets stopped them with 1:40 to go, then a BS horse collar call

    So frustrating.

    Yes, we can only blame ourselves, and the first Ravens game saw us lose by 2 points (after turning the ball over three time in the red-zone); even if we make ONE of those FGs, we win... and we are in the playoffs.

    Again, so frustrating.

    DRAFT:
    The first pick in R2 is HUUUGE!!! We have 12 hours to look over every prospect and choose the one that "slipped" through R1, and also, team throw a ton of picks at you. Off the top of my head:

    18: Peezy, Jr., CB, Penn St.
    32: O'Cyrus Torrance, OG, Florida
    50: Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio St.
    82: Jarrett Patterson, C, Notre Dame

    FREE AGENT:
    Having a rookie QB gives us freedom to spend.

    Bring in the best DT possible: DaRon Payne or Javon Hargrave.
    Bring in Tremaine Edmunds (ILB).
    Re-sign Cam Sutton and Terrell Edmunds.
    I know they’re a lower tier but bring back Ogunjobi and Kazee. With that sweet sweet rookie QB money, they can afford to do it all!


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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    Yeah, too bad this team doesn't have its shit together like the Broncos do (7 straight non-playoff seasons, 6 straight losing seasons, and now 4-5 years of salary cap hell to look forward to due to massively overpaying a QB whose career was already on the decline when they traded for him).

    Anyone who takes the Broncos HC job at this point is an idiot.

    Things could be worse in Pittsburgh. Much, much worse.
    They could be worse but should be better. The Steelers struggle at drafting and development, I could care less what the Denver Broncos are doing. The Steelers lack in the coaching department, from the top down, its hard to trust a coaching staff who have done so little with so much talent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    That guy is not only huge, he's a huge question mark. Such as, why is he not more of the Georgia offense? The answer I keep getting is he is fairly slow, probably due to his size. And the targets he does get are plays designed to get him the ball. He's not going to run himself open in other words. Personally, I would love to add him, I just don't like his value at where we would have to take him. I think he's going to be a nice weapon for whoever does draft him though.
    One reason is they have best TE in the country ahead of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by that1guy View Post
    They could be worse but should be better. The Steelers struggle at drafting and development, I could care less what the Denver Broncos are doing. The Steelers lack in the coaching department, from the top down, its hard to trust a coaching staff who have done so little with so much talent
    The offensive coaching staff need to be much better but for the talents,this is not awful but this is not a SB contender yet.....This is not 2017

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Want List:

    • FIRE MATT CANADA
    • OL/CB/CB/ILB/WR through free agency/draft (first or second round).
    NEW O-LINE COACH
    • NEW WR COACH
    Really?? Why? You don’t give him any credit for the in-season turnaround?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Really?? Why? You don’t give him any credit for the in-season turnaround?
    I have to admit, the run blocking and running game picked up a notch late in the season. I’m not sure if it was the O Lines fault honestly. I think Najee finally started to run straight into the gaps created and stop trying to take everything off tackle .

    In turn, when the running game was working, pass blocking got easier since the defense had to respect the run.

    ….I still want a new bookend LT though

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    I personally wouldnt mess to much with the O-Line , thats not to say I wouldnt address it to some degree but I am not spending pick 18 on an O-Lineman ...

    Kazee and Edmunds both FA so we desperately need to resign one or both of them and or draft the next starter so thats a top priority ....

    I would like to see ILB addressed sooner rather than later as I do not want to see Spilane starting and Bush is on his way out , I am not sold on Robinson he is a hitter but man he is raw and may never truly completely develop

    I am conflicted with our CB situation , I see really good play from Pierre , I have seen really good play from Wallace and until he got hurt and then tried to play at less than 100% Witherspoon put out some nice tape .... Sutton is just rock solid ... so my thought is we have potential to be really really good but at the same time we also could not be ... this unit of corners is perfectly fine with a solid pass rush as long as the rush gets home these guys will look great , its when the rush doesnt get home that we see issues ...

    We need to add another WR to compete with /push Sims and hope CA3 shows up in 2023 with a chip on his shoulder

    I like our RB's and wouldnt spend any draft capital or FA$$ there ....

    D-Line I think is pretty good but wouldnt mind upgrading Adams ( whom I liked his draft year but he isnt the player I had hoped he would be , sure he is serviceable but he isnt a dominate force ...that said Larry O is a must sign FA he is so under rated ........


    that said you have to draft the best player on the board every time you select or you will end up reaching and that is where you end up with busts
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by EzraTank View Post
    See above.

    I'm actually looking forward to next year if all that happens. I think with a competent OC this team has 11-12 wins in it. We need to replace Tyson Alualu and Bush desperately. What today proved is that Deshaun "rub and a tug" Watson is not good.
    Canada leaving is a given. No need for anyone to say it.

    The road to our 20-win season starts there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    I personally wouldnt mess to much with the O-Line , thats not to say I wouldnt address it to some degree but I am not spending pick 18 on an O-Lineman ...

    Kazee and Edmunds both FA so we desperately need to resign one or both of them and or draft the next starter so thats a top priority ....

    I would like to see ILB addressed sooner rather than later as I do not want to see Spilane starting and Bush is on his way out , I am not sold on Robinson he is a hitter but man he is raw and may never truly completely develop

    I am conflicted with our CB situation , I see really good play from Pierre , I have seen really good play from Wallace and until he got hurt and then tried to play at less than 100% Witherspoon put out some nice tape .... Sutton is just rock solid ... so my thought is we have potential to be really really good but at the same time we also could not be ... this unit of corners is perfectly fine with a solid pass rush as long as the rush gets home these guys will look great , its when the rush doesnt get home that we see issues ...

    We need to add another WR to compete with /push Sims and hope CA3 shows up in 2023 with a chip on his shoulder

    I like our RB's and wouldnt spend any draft capital or FA$$ there ....

    D-Line I think is pretty good but wouldnt mind upgrading Adams ( whom I liked his draft year but he isnt the player I had hoped he would be , sure he is serviceable but he isnt a dominate force ...that said Larry O is a must sign FA he is so under rated ........


    that said you have to draft the best player on the board every time you select or you will end up reaching and that is where you end up with busts
    Who is the Steelers best D lineman under the age of 33? I think they need to upgrade the D line with younger talent.

    Same with OT. They have average to below average OT's. Could upgrade in draft as well.

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    Yeah....Improving the D-line is a must with younger player is a must.....

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    I know they’re a lower tier but bring back and Kazee. With that sweet sweet rookie QB money, they can afford to do it all!
    Sutton
    Edmunds
    Ogunjobi
    Kazee

    In that order

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Who is the Steelers best D lineman under the age of 33? I think they need to upgrade the D line with younger talent.

    Same with OT. They have average to below average OT's. Could upgrade in draft as well.

    the O-Line played much better after the bye and if honest the two worst players on it are Dan Moore and Dotson both on the left side that said they were average at worse 2nd half of the season and you cant replace 2 guys side by side on a line who was improving all season long ... like I said I wouldnt use pick 18 on the O-Line maybe our original 2nd or 3rd ...

    D-Line Cam may have played his best 2 years the last 2 seasons IMO sure it will end sooner or later but isnt that why we drafted Leal last year .... and Loudermilk the year before ? I think resigning Larry O is more crucial than drafting someone but maybe thats just me ...I am all for upgrading Adams
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Really?? Why? You don’t give him any credit for the in-season turnaround?
    I see a turnaround in the run blocking, I see no turn around in the pass blocking. The O-Line doesn’t need to be addressed to the point it did last season or the first half of this season, but that doesn’t mean that it is fixed…it still needs to be addressed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    you are a Kenny Pickett enabler

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Not sure what to do about O'line. I have been a proponent of building this line from the inside out, with the idea that our lead runner is best between the tackles. Maybe getting our next great center? But, that part of the line has improved immensely. We definitely need help (future upgrade at least) at one of the tackle positions. I say one because I think the line has played well enough you don't want to mess with it too much. The thing is the Steelers just don't seem to see left tackle as a position that requires a high draft pick. When was the last left tackle the Steelers took at the top of the draft? Something tells me they see Dan Moore as their new Max Starks. Somebody without a high ceiling but can be good enough someday.

    I don't know. They have two good run stopping, hard hitting, middle linebackers (assuming they resign Spillane). They have to find a good pass covering middle backer or we are going to get eaten alive by Cinci, Buffalo and KC. And young D'line I think.

    Of course, they may address some of this in free agency prior to the draft.

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    my fear is they will think "hey we were trending up...lets not change a thing" .

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    I'll be curious to see where Steelers go with Oline in offseason. I don't know how Steelers feel about Dan Moore, but Kevin Dotson only has one year left on his contract. I could see them taking O'Cyrus Torrance in the first, but would feel better if he was had in 2nd. I really like Peter Skoronski at tackle, even though draft evaluators worry about his arms being shorter than ideal for a tackle. To me though it seems like the Pickett small hands talk last year, as Skoronski looks rock solid with great feet and technique for a tackle.

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    With the Lions winning, the Steelers now have these picks:

    17
    32
    49
    80

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Expect announcements of "future contract" signings this week.

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    Re: Official Offseason thread

    Quote Originally Posted by that1guy View Post
    They could be worse but should be better. The Steelers struggle at drafting and development, I could care less what the Denver Broncos are doing. The Steelers lack in the coaching department, from the top down, its hard to trust a coaching staff who have done so little with so much talent
    So they suck at drafting and development, but they also are unable to properly coach up the massive amount of talent they have on the roster (which is ostensibly due to said drafting and development since they are never major players in the FA market).

    Please pick one narrative and go with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckHodges View Post
    He would have if he had the first team snaps in training camp
    This is wishful thinking. Everyone forgets how horrible our O line was. Had he started that first game he would have been running for his life. That does two things, it opens the QB for injury and creates very bad habits in a QB. I am very thankful we have a coach that understands that and Trubisky who could bear the brunt of it until the O line was at least okay enough to give KFP a couple of seconds before he got pressured.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    So they suck at drafting and development, but they also are unable to properly coach up the massive amount of talent they have on the roster (which is ostensibly due to said drafting and development since they are never major players in the FA market).

    Please pick one narrative and go with it.
    That's easy, FS! Cowher's General Manager was doing the drafting!


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