Cam Sutton

[EzraTank]

This article from CBS Sports talks about why the Steelers and Tomlin felt okay resigning Sutton:

Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin went back to his personal relationship with Sutton and the process of due diligence led the veteran cornerback back to Pittsburgh. This was enough for the Steelers to feel comfortable in bringing Sutton back.

"There are not any conversations that we had recently, it's the totality of our relationship," Tomlin said, via a Steelers transcript provided by the team. "I met this guy in Knoxville, man, six, seven years ago, whatever it was, when he came out of school. He's a great guy. He loves football.

"It's probably the totality of our relationship and I probably represent the sentiment of the organization and saying that it's less about specific conversations, particularly of late, and it's about the relationship established over a longer period of time."

The Steelers cornerback eventually surrendered to authorities and entered a pretrial diversion program after the charges were reduced from a felony to misdemeanor battery. Sutton was also required to take a mental health evaluation upon the agreement.

Sutton was signed by the Steelers to a one-year contract earlier this month. The Steelers are aware Sutton is subject to potential punishment by the league.

As Tomlin was asked if the Steelers are comfortable with their process, he responded the best way he could.

"That's just due diligence," Tomlin said. "That's what's supposed to happen. ... Obviously he's here."

WTF does this statement even mean? It is a few sentences about nothing at a Seinfeld level. Look I know this signing might help the Steelers and I like that as a fan, but man this league just lets these guys get away with a lot of crap that would land other guys not in the NFL in jail for a long time. I really do hope that Sutton works through these issues personally and learns from it but getting paid millions and required to go to a program sure isn't punishment.

[86WARD]

Nobody here knows what happened or the extent to which it happened. Tomlin and the Steelers have known Sutton for a long time. They know the person he is and has been in the past. That accounts for a lot. Even if this misdemeanor battery was of the worst kind, he made a mistake. Moving past the mistake and looking forward. Just because he’s an athlete and criticized publicly, doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve another chance.

If you go up to someone and hug them, that’s misdemeanor battery if they don’t want to be hugged.

[EzraTank]

If you go up to someone and hug them, that’s misdemeanor battery if they don’t want to be hugged.

So is apparently choking someone and slamming them against the wall ... but who's watching.

[86WARD]

So is apparently choking someone and slamming them against the wall ... but who's watching.

But you don’t know he did that for sure. Hopefully he does do that to Derrick Henry on Sundays.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Cam Sutton is a major upgrade at slot CB.

He makes our defense instantly better, hopefully he won't get suspended too many games.

[Craic]

This article from CBS Sports talks about why the Steelers and Tomlin felt okay resigning Sutton:



WTF does this statement even mean? It is a few sentences about nothing at a Seinfeld level. Look I know this signing might help the Steelers and I like that as a fan, but man this league just lets these guys get away with a lot of crap that would land other guys not in the NFL in jail for a long time. I really do hope that Sutton works through these issues personally and learns from it but getting paid millions and required to go to a program sure isn't punishment.

I think you're confusing two different things. This league does not control the legal system and so, whatever they do or do not get away with has little to do with the league. As far as the league is concerned, I'm more and more coming to the opinion that the NFL stay away from punishing players for non-league-based offenses. They are not the legal system.

That being said, if you ask me six months from now, I may have a different opinion, but right now, I'm tired of the league trying to be a social justice spigot and a legal system in and of itself rather than just focusing on playing football.

[DesertSteel]

If you were in a professional and visible role in a large corporation and you were arrested on domestic abuse charges, do you think your company would look the other way and just let the legal system play out?

[86WARD]

If you were in a professional and visible role in a large corporation and you were arrested on domestic abuse charges, do you think your company would look the other way and just let the legal system play out?

I mean the US Government and whole voting country does it.

[Craic]

If you were in a professional and visible role in a large corporation and you were arrested on domestic abuse charges, do you think your company would look the other way and just let the legal system play out?

Yeah, many would wait. Without a criminal conviction, they're opening themselves up to a lawsuit. And, that's not just my opinion. Here's a lawyer saying the same thing.

IF YOUR EMPLOYEE IS THE PERPETRATOR . . .
*Don't automatically assume you can just fire someone for being involved in a domestic dispute while off duty. First, the alleged perpetrator may not be guilty. Divorce attorneys say that domestic abuse allegations are sometimes used as leverage to get a more favorable result in a divorce, alimony, or child custody proceeding. Second, even assuming guilt, as an employer you can get sued if you fire an employee on questionable grounds because you believe the employee is an abuser -- unless you can show that the abuse has a clear connection to your work environment. If both the perpetrator and the victim work for you, it should be easier to establish that connection and act accordingly. https://www.constangy.com/employment...employer-to-do

Don't take what I'm saying to mean the team should just go on without any thought. I'm talking about league action. The team has the right to end a contract at any time, and if the team doesn't want to be associated with someone, then they can end it. Period. My issue, more and more, is with the league taking action for non-league issues.

[fansince'76]

Yeah, many would wait. Without a criminal conviction, they're opening themselves up to a lawsuit. And, that's not just my opinion. Here's a lawyer saying the same thing.

IF YOUR EMPLOYEE IS THE PERPETRATOR . . .
*Don't automatically assume you can just fire someone for being involved in a domestic dispute while off duty. First, the alleged perpetrator may not be guilty. Divorce attorneys say that domestic abuse allegations are sometimes used as leverage to get a more favorable result in a divorce, alimony, or child custody proceeding. Second, even assuming guilt, as an employer you can get sued if you fire an employee on questionable grounds because you believe the employee is an abuser -- unless you can show that the abuse has a clear connection to your work environment. If both the perpetrator and the victim work for you, it should be easier to establish that connection and act accordingly. https://www.constangy.com/employment...employer-to-do

Best of luck with that in an at-will employment environment where one can be let go by their employer for practically any reason or even no reason at all. Unless the dismissal can be proven to be due to age, gender, sexual orientation, race, religion or being disabled (and good luck proving any of these if the employer in question has a legal department of any real size), one is kinda shit outta luck.

[Mojouw]

Doesn’t the CBA cover all this?

Meaning the NFL isn’t operating in the same labor market as you and I but a specific artificial market constructed by agreement with the players union.

[DesertSteel]

Yeah, many would wait. Without a criminal conviction, they're opening themselves up to a lawsuit. And, that's not just my opinion. Here's a lawyer saying the same thing.



Don't take what I'm saying to mean the team should just go on without any thought. I'm talking about league action. The team has the right to end a contract at any time, and if the team doesn't want to be associated with someone, then they can end it. Period. My issue, more and more, is with the league taking action for non-league issues.

For most employees this might be true. But the higher up you go and the more high profile your position, the fewer "rights" you have within your employment agreement. In the NFL, there's a CBA that allows them to terminate or penalize people for off-the-field behavior, even if not convicted of a crime.

[hawaiiansteeler]

[hawaiiansteeler]

was thinking it was going to be 6 games, hoping for 4.

he will probably appeal and get it reduced a little.

[tube517]

I thought he would get less. Agree with HS. It will likely get reduced

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[hawaiiansteeler]

I thought he would get less. Agree with HS. It will likely get reduced

I think this increases the likelihood that we now re-sign Patrick Peterson.

[Mojouw]

Cam made a statement about adversity hitting or some such.

Maybe should’ve thumbed through a thesaurus and found a different verb.

[EzraTank]

And this is why I didn't want him. He's about to miss nearly half the season.

[hawaiiansteeler]

And this is why I didn't want him. He's about to miss nearly half the season.

He'll be back in time for the last half season stretch of games against our AFC North rivals.

[86WARD]

And this is why I didn't want him. He's about to miss nearly half the season.

It’s why you would want him…fresh starting nickel back for the most important part of the season and potentially into the playoffs. Also gives plenty of time to evaluate Trice and then newer players and he’s on the cheap. Win, win, win.

[tube517]

Vet minimum, good at slot. It is like picking him up mid season like they did with Myles Jack and Eric Rowe last season.

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[86WARD]

was thinking it was going to be 6 games, hoping for 4.

he will probably appeal and get it reduced a little.

He is not appealing.

[Mojouw]

It’s why you would want him…fresh starting nickel back for the most important part of the season and potentially into the playoffs. Also gives plenty of time to evaluate Trice and then newer players and he’s on the cheap. Win, win, win.

There’s that. And Tomlin likes to give guys he believes in a safety net.

[Craic]

Best of luck with that in an at-will employment environment where one can be let go by their employer for practically any reason or even no reason at all. Unless the dismissal can be proven to be due to age, gender, sexual orientation, race, religion or being disabled (and good luck proving any of these if the employer in question has a legal department of any real size), one is kinda shit outta luck.

Of course, that is true. But, if you could provide documentation showing good reviews and they can't provide documentation showing the job performance issues, and you can show that no one else in the department was let go, then the timing does become a big issue. Moreover, such a case is civil and therefore only needs to provide 50.01 percent fault on the part of the employer. In today's culture, I think there's a lot of people on juries that would just "stick it to big corps" for all the evils in the world (justified or not).

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And this is why I didn't want him. He's about to miss nearly half the season.

Sure, but it's not like we took him in place of someone else.

[Dwinsgames]

quite the suspension time for what was charged as a misdemeanor

[Born2Steel]

Video on the home page talks about Beanie Bishop very possibly earning that role until Can gets back.

[Dwinsgames]

And this is why I didn't want him. He's about to miss nearly half the season.

well actually it wasnt why ............it was quite clear why you didnt want him and if memory serves it had little to do with potential suspension and everything to do with the reports of him battering a woman (and I get it , he's is likely a dirtbag of a human or at the minimum has the potential to be)

I think for a misdemeanor charge this suspension is over the top and likely gets reduced , 4 games is what this kind of charge normally gets , it seems the league is reacting to the amount of press this got early on and how horrid the description was instead of the actual Police filing of charges (likely more in line with what actually happened based on actual evidence and not just 1 persons account) he is still a dirtbag but a dirtbag that is good at playing slot corner in the NFL

[DesertSteel]

It’s not gonna get reduced because there’s no appeal.

[El Kabong]

Big media outcry + small offense = big penalty

small media outcry + big offense = small penalty

The NFL schedule of penalties. It's all about the PR.

[86WARD]

Big media outcry + small offense = big penalty

small media outcry + big offense = small penalty

The NFL schedule of penalties. It's all about the PR.

That is the exact formula. If Sutton didn’t run and hide and make it a big news story, this would’ve been a 2-4 game deal.

Who cares. They’ll have a guy coming in with more than half the season left who knows how to play at a high level and has fresh legs. It’s when they will need him most anyway.