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    Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?


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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    a little bit of both. In any case, winning on the road isn't easy in the NFL and they did that twice in the last 2 weeks, so there's that.
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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    If it's sub par competition, I'm cool with that. About a month or so back we were the sub par comp. That's improvement as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    If you are a bad team that beats bad teams....that has to be seen as at least minor improvement.

    The question is really not a good one to ask...I mean if a below average team beats a below average team....isn't that what is supposed to happen?

    I think that too many Steelers focused sites just can not seem to get it into their heads that this is not a good team. And it won't be for another year or more. And that is fine. Part of the process. But there is no "sub-par" competition. The Steelers are sub-par also!

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Patriots padded their record for two decades playing bad teams in the AFCE.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    This was the same team that was blasted by multiple scores by the Bills and Eagles and looked terrible. They played the Dolphins and Bengals tougher, but lost. These Steelers are at least a year or two away from hanging with the big boys again. If Kenny continues his steady improvement, and carries over into next season, then we can start talking about this team being good. Even during this recent surge, the team has been mediocre in the second half of their games, and they continue to suck in the red zone. A better team crushes the Steelers.

    But at the same time, the team has gotten much better maintaining drives on offense. The Offense was non-existent for the first half of the season.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Does it matter?

    The NFL standings dont have an Asterix on what teams did you get a W against. They just care about how many "W"'s you get.

    Also, we can all agree that the Steelers are not winning the SB this year, so just enjoy the wins during the rebuilding process and realize that the draft and offseason moves should continue to be a step forward in the process. Right now the Steelers finishing 3rd in the AFC North this season would be success IMO.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Does it matter?

    The NFL standings dont have an Asterix on what teams did you get a W against. They just care about how many "W"'s you get.

    Also, we can all agree that the Steelers are not winning the SB this year, so just enjoy the wins during the rebuilding process and realize that the draft and offseason moves should continue to be a step forward in the process. Right now the Steelers finishing 3rd in the AFC North this season would be success IMO.
    Of course it matters. Take away the wins against the subpar teams and then it's Fahhrrr Tahmlynn!!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    If you are a bad team that beats bad teams....that has to be seen as at least minor improvement.

    The question is really not a good one to ask...I mean if a below average team beats a below average team....isn't that what is supposed to happen?

    I think that too many Steelers focused sites just can not seem to get it into their heads that this is not a good team. And it won't be for another year or more. And that is fine. Part of the process. But there is no "sub-par" competition. The Steelers are sub-par also!
    True but I don't know if the steelers know they have a lot of work to do before becoming a great team

    But team like the titans seem to know since they fired their GM even though they are first in their division....If the steelers keep Canada and its entire offensive staff after this year, it's a big red flag......

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Patriots padded their record for two decades playing bad teams in the AFCE.
    They were also great outside of their division too

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by tube517 View Post
    Of course it matters. Take away the wins against the subpar teams and then it's Fahhrrr Tahmlynn!!!!!
    I get it now. Thanks.

    Its kind of like "if you take away all of Willie Parker's long runs, he really wasnt any better than Mewelde Moore.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    A bit of both. Earlier in the season we lost to “subpar” teams, now we are beating them. The rest of the schedule is easier (based on teams records) so our second half should be better than our first half record wise. Hell, I can honestly see us possibly winning out with some ugly wins and some luck, which would put us in the playoffs.

    All that matters really is growth and figuring out the offense and firing Crapnada. If the latter doesn’t happen, we will be marginally better next season no matter how our draft and free agency goes.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    The Steelers are as good as their record. The recent wins against subpar teams were luck. There are a lot of bad teams in the NFL.
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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by ALLD View Post
    The Steelers are as good as their record. The recent wins against subpar teams were luck. There are a lot of bad teams in the NFL.
    Luck? Looked to me like they outplayed both Indy and ATL. It's not like their wins were last second hail mary passes or recovered onside kicks
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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by DuckHodges View Post
    Luck? Looked to me like they outplayed both Indy and ATL. It's not like their wins were last second hail mary passes or recovered onside kicks
    Yeah...They were ahead in the scoreboard for most of the time in each of their last 3 wins....They need more big play and better in the red zone on offense too but this is another story...At least they move the ball better now

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    I think it's a little of both and, they have gotten better. Like mentioned above they need to score more in the red zone and, more plays to Muuth & Pickens. Kenny is making better decisions and, I would like to see him a 3 or 4 TD game as well.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Gotta beat the bad teams before you beat the good, although with our loaded team of the last ten years we sorta had that going in reverse
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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    Gotta beat the bad teams before you beat the good, although with our loaded team of the last ten years we sorta had that going in reverse
    Besides, there are only 6-7 good teams in the league.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Besides, there are only 6-7 good teams in the league.
    Agreed. Teams I would give a better than average chance just to make the Superbowl:
    NFC...Eagles, Cowboys, Vikings
    AFC...Chiefs, Bengals, Bills
    There are others that can get hot and maybe force their way in but not likely:
    NFC...49ers
    AFC...Titans, Dolphins

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Agreed. Teams I would give a better than average chance just to make the Superbowl:
    NFC...Eagles, Cowboys, Vikings
    AFC...Chiefs, Bengals, Bills
    There are others that can get hot and maybe force their way in but not likely:
    NFC...49ers
    AFC...Titans, Dolphins

    I think only the eagles and the cowboys can win the SB in the NFC(they could face each other in the second round in the playoffs).....49ers would been in the list before the injury of Jimmy G

    The AFC have more team...Bills,chiefs,bengals....The dolphins could surprise too

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born2Steel View Post
    Agreed. Teams I would give a better than average chance just to make the Superbowl:
    NFC...Eagles, Cowboys, Vikings
    AFC...Chiefs, Bengals, Bills
    There are others that can get hot and maybe force their way in but not likely:
    NFC...49ers
    AFC...Titans, Dolphins
    Well, the 9ers before they lost yet another QB. After tonight’s game, they should have kicked the tires on Mayfield lol. Maybe they will make a trade for Rudolph or Trubisky after whoever rookie they have left shows why he is the rookie.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorhead View Post
    Well, the 9ers before they lost yet another QB. After tonight’s game, they should have kicked the tires on Mayfield lol. Maybe they will make a trade for Rudolph or Trubisky after whoever rookie they have left shows why he is the rookie.
    The 49ers can't do anything.... The trade deadline has passed and the rams had the right before the 49ers for Mayfield in waivers....

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by polamalubeast View Post
    The 49ers can't do anything.... The trade deadline has passed and the rams had the right before the 49ers for Mayfield in waivers....
    How did Rams have rights, I would think they would be last in line with SB win.

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    Just searched it , answered my own question. Although I think it should be based in last year’s performance like the draft.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by polamalubeast View Post
    The 49ers can't do anything.... The trade deadline has passed and the rams had the right before the 49ers for Mayfield in waivers....
    Lol yeah, that was my wishful thinking I guess.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    1-6 vs team over .500.....

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    The question in this thread has been answered.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue View Post
    The question in this thread has been answered.
    Not really. Their starting QB got knocked out way early into the game and they lost due to miscues (3 redzone turnovers, blocked fg - not so much getting outplayed)
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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by DuckHodges View Post
    Not really. Their starting QB got knocked out way early into the game and they lost due to miscues (3 redzone turnovers, blocked fg - not so much getting outplayed)
    BAL Rushing....42 carries- 215 Yards gained.

    The Steelers didnt get outplayed....they got pushed around the field like a shopping cart.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    BAL Rushing....42 carries- 215 Yards gained.

    The Steelers didnt get outplayed....they got pushed around the field like a shopping cart.
    And 104 passing yards, and the score was 16-14 with 3 TO’s and a blocked FG on us . . . Yep, we were outmatched and out played all game.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    I get the defense was bad. But this is a game lost by 2 points. With a blocked FG, two red zone turnovers, and another INT for fun.

    So turn those into 9 points, Steelers win by 7?

    This is a good play by Calais Campbell and a Trubisky away from being a different conversation.

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    Re: Are the Steelers really improving, or playing sub-par competition?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorhead View Post
    And 104 passing yards, and the score was 16-14 with 3 TO’s and a blocked FG on us . . . Yep, we were outmatched and out played all game.
    The Ravens never trailed in the game and you can bet their gameplan was to play good defense and run the football, not put the game on the arm of their backup QB. They did that. They never had to rely on their QB to throw the ball and win the game, while the Steelers had to do that because they lost the battle at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the football.

    So are the Steelers improving? Not really, they are limited by their below average Offensive line and their below average and aging Defensive line.

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