Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Well personally, I've been hoping the Steelers would go back to a base 4-3 defense and adopt the same formula the Giants used to beat Brady in the Super Bowl twice (relentless pass rush generated by the front 4 accompanied by press man coverage) ever since Gannon and Brady exposed the Steelers' defense in back-to-back weeks early in the 2002 season.
As I understand it the team is basically paying Jackson $3 million dollars to see if he doesn't suck. Not the worst idea that a team with cap space to dink around with could have. I had originally assumed they gave up actual draft picks to make this happen. Since that is not the case, giddy up!
Someone else mentioned it earlier but the following is not all that bad:
Best Version of Witherspoon
Best Version of WJ
Best Version of Sutton
Plus....Maulet can hit the bench on passing downs. And they can (maybe) move on from the Levi Wallace situation. I mean Maulet not being on the field on passing downs might be worth a higher draft pick....of course they will find some reason to keep sending him and Spillane out there to get worked over.
If we are trading for defensive pieces why not go after Roquan Smith? He was there for a 2nd round pick and I would think the Bears would rather have our 2nd rounder next year instead of the Ravens. We could have let Bush walk and been ready to rebuild the defense next year.
Yup. Plus you had this deal for Claypool with the Bears on simmer prior to the Smith trade according to rumors.
So Claypool and a 4 for Smith? Why that didn’t happen is hard to figure out. All I got is that it took a longer timeline for the Bears to budge on Claypool price and in the meantime they sold off Smith.
To be fair, The Steelers haven't been running a true 3-4 for years now. They've been using a hybrid 4-3 with Watt on the end, and consistently rushed 4 and hardly blitz.
according to Pro Football Focus, Jackson graded out at 59.3 last year, and this year slipped to 49.6 to rank 101st of 119 cornerbacks.
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Where does Pierre fit into all of this. Hmm...
That’s the problem. Maybe just bench Witherspoon? It’s not like he’s played well. He’s known to be super inconsistent.
Sutton’s a pending FA. If Kackson plays well enough to keep, Sutton’s salary floor just hit $12 million.
It’s a potentially really odd move for the off-season.
I think spoon has been dinged up all season and played that way and it showed ...
let spoon get healthy pair him with jackson on the outside kick sutton inside with Pierre and Wallace as your 4th and 5th CB I think thats a pretty damn solid (on paper) group of corners for playing man , Hell maybe even kick Levi in to Safety he is a decent enough tackler and not all that fast may be a decent SS if they cant get a deal done with Edmunds ....
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That sounds like a disaster for 2023…
On paper it is a decent to good idea.
BUT...Jackson is @$12 million per year for 2023. Sutton will need a new contract as his current deal expires at the end of the season. If the Steelers wanted to sign him, he's going to argue that he needs Jackson's contract to re-sign.
I like both Sutton and the Bengals version of Jackson, but not at $24 million for the pair.
If Cam Sutton wants $12 million a year, I will say good luck and so long.
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It’s funny as the season goes in, the team is becoming more and more unstable, the holes in the roster are getting massive…
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If WJIII cones in and plays well, great trade. If not, meh.
12 million a year isnt what it used to be for a corner ...
top 10 paid corners in nfl now making (AAV per year)
JC Jackson 16.5 mil per year
Byron Jones 16.5 mil per year
Darius Slay 16.7 mil per year
Tradavious White 17.3 mil per year
Xavien Howard 18 mil per year
Marlon Humphrey 19.5 mil per year
Marshawn Lattimore 19.52 mil per year
Jalen Ramsey 20 mil per year
Denzel Ward 20.1 mil per year
Jaire Alexander 21 mil per year
not saying any of these guys we are talking about are top 10 but .....
22 cornerbacks now make at least $10 million in average annual salary per year, per overthecap.com (through July 25, 2022).
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he is likely worth it and will get it by someone based on current NFL paydays
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Agreed. I'm not arguing that Sutton should get paid that rate. But if WJIII is on the roster in the 2023 his contract becomes the new salary benchmark for the position group. Especially if Sutton ends up playing better. And based on the fact that Sutton has (dramatically) outplayed the other recycled CBs the team has brought in...he's likely going to do the same with Jackson. So why would he accept getting paid less?
It is a minor complaint. And if they simply cut WJIII then it isn't an issue. Or they could extend him and make his salary go down...likely all future Omar Khan's problem. But i think this trade is just a "meh" overall.
Yeah, there's a reason they were willing to unload him basically for free. His contract is a mismatch with his production, big time. I don't know if he'll even help, but I guess I'm glad they're trying something.
That aside, I don't see anyone in our CB rotation who's worth a big contract. If this messes things up, that's unfortunate. Sutton may be the best-performing CB we've got at the moment, but if he asks for $12 million, that's a hard "the fuck outta here." You want to base your salary demands on what other people have done and not what you have done, that needs to be a very short conversation.
And it NEVER works out to pay someone a fortune because "who else do we have." Just don't do it.
See you Space Cowboy ...
I agree with not paying guys just to pay them. But WJIII "breaks" the current salary structure in the secondary and that likely means he is a one year rental. And that is the other thing that makes this trade hard to figure.
I know that many don't like Steelers Depot. I have less of a problem with them than most and I really like Alex K's take on stuff. He has nailed it here, at least for me: https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/wh...-james-pierre/
Honestly, I would be in favor of getting rid of Maulet, Witherspoon, Wallace, and WJII (unless he plays well AND wants to take less $$$), resigning Sutton, retaining Pierre, and handing a couple of draft picks big roles. The current CB room is slow, inconsistent, not that good in coverage, or some bad combination of all of those things. It is full of serviceable players when the pass rush is leading the league in sacks and pressures, but take away the monster rush up front, and these guys can't hold up.
Time to get new guys. Or at least get rid of Maulet and Witherspoon.
the issue with Witherspoon is health , he has been dinged all year and played dinged up , he isnt slow either 4.45 , no its not blazing but it is plenty fast to play corner stride for stride with AJ Brown with good coverage but was beat by ball placement ( while playing dinged up ) ...
we seen how a healthy spoon plays last year down the stretch when they let him on the field , was one of the best Corners in the league for that 6-7 game stretch
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I don't buy it. This is who Witherspoon is. Has all the physical tools you could want in a CB. But this is what he does. Plays well for a stretch of games. Then plays awful for a stretch of games. He's done this in like 3 or 4 different defenses/teams now. This is repeatedly who he has shown himself to be in the NFL. A wildly inconsistent player who can not be relied on to be starting CB.
ummm ..........
he has only played games for 2 teams (can't count Seattle he never played for them ) so it would be really difficult to string games together both good and bad on three or four teams ..
but ok ...............
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Niners. Was moved between the field and the bench several times for being inconsistent.
Seattle. Was so all over the place in their off-season programs and I think at least one preseason game that they went out and got other CBs to make sure he didn't play for them.
Steelers. Looks good for a few games. Bad for a few games. Good for a couple. Bad for a stretch.
At this point it is how Witherspoon is as a player. He is wildly inconsistent guy with physical tools. He's in his 6th season. He is what he is. He is certainly not the top CB on a really good defense. Maybe a #2 or a #3. But hoping Witherspoon is just going to start locking guys up for 17 games week in and week out is not in line with what he has shown.
I agree that we really do not have a whole lot to be hopeful about in our current group of CBs. Try to keep Sutton, maybe Jackson if he's good, and probably one more. I bet Witherspoon ends up on the roster again for a variety of reasons - "athleticism," "depth," "knows the system," all the standard stuff. Something will clearly have to be done about Jackson's contract if we want to keep him, this is true.
I'm all for adding more guys in the draft, but realistically what we will probably get is a second-rounder who isn't ready/doesn't play, and a fifth-rounder who sucks. If we are short one starter, the second-rounder will be injured in training camp and the fifth-rounder will be cut in training camp and playing for the Giants. So I hope we look at bringing in at least one guy through free agency if we are going to embark on a major tear-down and rebuild of the CB group, which is sorely needed.
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So where is Jackson in the depth chart?
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On IR....
Hahaha
the good news....
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