Kenny Pickett APPRECIATION Thread

[cubanstogie]

Maybe I’m looking for too much? It’s not like I’m trying to say he’s terrible or even that bad. But the best example I can remember is there was a 3rd down where Harris went out over the middle. KP didn’t see him. Rolled right and tried to hit Harris on a “second action” kinda play. Missed him and had the pass knocked down by a defender. Drive over. Harris was open early and for reasons I’m not capable of knowing, KP just never got to him. He seemed to hesitate rather than hit him quickly. Is that fair to put on a rookie? No idea. If Harris was the third or some emergency option, then likely not. But if he was the first option then KP was “bad” on that specific play.

I’m also not certain my recall is totally accurate. But the Steelers struggle to score points each week. At some point the QB has to receive a portion of the “blame” for that.

Carr got benched over his performance. Should KP? Absolutely not! But I’m having a hard time just shrugging anything and everything off. He’s got a lot of work to do this offseason.

He definitely has work to do. I believe he’s the type to put in work. The thing is all weekend I see veteran QBs not seeing open guys or Russell Wilson throwing deep when he had 10-20 yards of daylight if he ran. Even Aaron Rodgers missed plays. I think our expectations are slightly different. I expect him to spread it around and let guys do the rest, like Purdy is doing. Problem is we don’t have the weapons 9ers do, or atleast the scheme to let our weapons succeed. Maybe our expectations are different, which is okay there’s no right or wrong but since his first few games I see him playing well. Red zone TDs are huge problem, but they were with Ben as well. He’s played better than Trevor did last year, so no reason he can’t progress like he did in season 2 as well.

[Mojouw]

He definitely has work to do. I believe he’s the type to put in work. The thing is all weekend I see veteran QBs not seeing open guys or Russell Wilson throwing deep when he had 10-20 yards of daylight if he ran. Even Aaron Rodgers missed plays. I think our expectations are slightly different. I expect him to spread it around and let guys do the rest, like Purdy is doing. Problem is we don’t have the weapons 9ers do, or atleast the scheme to let our weapons succeed. Maybe our expectations are different, which is okay there’s no right or wrong but since his first few games I see him playing well. Red zone TDs are huge problem, but they were with Ben as well. He’s played better than Trevor did last year, so no reason he can’t progress like he did in season 2 as well.

I’ve gone from negative to positive on KP. I really have. I also don’t want to derail a thread focused on positive aspects with any negative waves (insert Kelly’s Heroes gif here).

But I remember Ben having flashes of “holy crap!” during his rookie year. Even as he did rookie things and made tons of mistakes.

I’ve yet to have that with KP. I see a guy that could grow to give you “steady eddy” performance but I’ve not gotten the “he did WHAT?!” vibes.

For the first QB off the board, I’m not satisfied with watching the next Andy Dalton or Matt Hasselback.

It’s unreasonable. But it’s where I’m at.

[cubanstogie]

I’ve gone from negative to positive on KP. I really have. I also don’t want to derail a thread focused on positive aspects with any negative waves (insert Kelly’s Heroes gif here).

But I remember Ben having flashes of “holy crap!” during his rookie year. Even as he did rookie things and made tons of mistakes.

I’ve yet to have that with KP. I see a guy that could grow to give you “steady eddy” performance but I’ve not gotten the “he did WHAT?!” vibes.

For the first QB off the board, I’m not satisfied with watching the next Andy Dalton or Matt Hasselback.

It’s unreasonable. But it’s where I’m at.

Fair enough, I haven’t seen any holy shit moments either. But Did Brady or Manning have as many wow moments as say Vick or Lamar? No, but more consistent. Hopefully KP becomes consistent. Next year expectations will be much higher for me. But as of now I’m good with the pick.

[Mojouw]

Fair enough, I haven’t seen any holy shit moments either. But Did Brady or Manning have as many wow moments as say Vick or Lamar? No, but more consistent. Hopefully KP becomes consistent. Next year expectations will be much higher for me. But as of now I’m good with the pick.

I can get on board with that! I do think the future is bright.

[DuckHodges]

Fair enough, I haven’t seen any holy shit moments either. But Did Brady or Manning have as many wow moments as say Vick or Lamar? No, but more consistent. Hopefully KP becomes consistent. Next year expectations will be much higher for me. But as of now I’m good with the pick.

Brady was a boring ass QB to watch, but he sure won games. He didn't do anything eye popping, just always made the best decisions. Maybe with the help of some stolen tape but that's another story

[teegre]

@mojoUW

A few things.

1) Dan Orlavsky is great at breaking down film of quarterback play. He spends 3 minutes showing what a great job Kenny did on that TD pass… and like clockwork, people bring up “other” plays. Dan wasn’t talking about “other” plays or the rest of the game or a few games ago; he was breaking down one play… which was a gem.

2) You wanted a “WOW” play. See above. Dan breaks down just how great of a throw it was. It might not have looked like the Immaculate Reception, but fundamentally, it was a damn good play by Kenny.

3) The rest of the game… in weather conditions that even Ben struggled with (see: Cleveland 2008)… and Kenny completed 67% of his passes for 250 yards. Yep, I’ll take that 99 times out of 100.

[86WARD]

@mojoUW

A few things.

1) Dan Orlavsky is great at breaking down film of quarterback play. He spends 3 minutes showing what a great job Kenny did on that TD pass… and like clockwork, people bring up “other” plays. Dan wasn’t talking about “other” plays or the rest of the game or a few games ago; he was breaking down one play… which was a gem.

2) You wanted a “WOW” play. See above. Dan breaks down just how great of a throw it was. It might not have looked like the Immaculate Reception, but fundamentally, it was a damn good play by Kenny.

3) The rest of the game… in weather conditions that even Ben struggled with (see: Cleveland 2008)… and Kenny completed 67% of his passes for 250 yards. Yep, I’ll take that 99 times out of 100.

[Mojouw]

@mojoUW

A few things.

1) Dan Orlavsky is great at breaking down film of quarterback play. He spends 3 minutes showing what a great job Kenny did on that TD pass… and like clockwork, people bring up “other” plays. Dan wasn’t talking about “other” plays or the rest of the game or a few games ago; he was breaking down one play… which was a gem.

2) You wanted a “WOW” play. See above. Dan breaks down just how great of a throw it was. It might not have looked like the Immaculate Reception, but fundamentally, it was a damn good play by Kenny.

3) The rest of the game… in weather conditions that even Ben struggled with (see: Cleveland 2008)… and Kenny completed 67% of his passes for 250 yards. Yep, I’ll take that 99 times out of 100.

Fair enough.

I am sold that KP has potential. I am sold that he has gotten better week to week since entering the starting line-up. I am sold that the Canada "system" is strangling the production of offensive players across the board.

I am not sold that KP is a 10 year "franchise" QB. That is all I am trying to express. I am cautiously optimistic, but I do not see a guy that can drag his team to victory when it all goes to crap around him. That is an incredibly high bar to clear and I acknowledge that almost no one ever does in their rookie year. But if the Steelers want to have the best chance to be competing for SB's over the next decade plus, the QB has to be a guy that can just decide to go win a game. IMO, that is what it takes to be an annual SB contending team - potential league MVP level QB play year over year.

KP has the grit, the competitiveness, and the leadership skills to be "the guy". I just have not consistently seen the ability to elevate the players around him when it all breaks down. Some of those 8 yard scrambles need to become 15+ yard passing plays. Again, an awfully high expectation/standard, but from my couch each week -- that seems to be what it takes to separate the fringe playoff teams from the scary SB contenders. It takes super-heroes. It is almost not possible to do it and certainly not when the OC is so far below the bar...but I just am not certain where KP's ceiling is...

[polamalubeast]

Fair enough.

I am sold that KP has potential. I am sold that he has gotten better week to week since entering the starting line-up. I am sold that the Canada "system" is strangling the production of offensive players across the board.

I am not sold that KP is a 10 year "franchise" QB. That is all I am trying to express. I am cautiously optimistic, but I do not see a guy that can drag his team to victory when it all goes to crap around him. That is an incredibly high bar to clear and I acknowledge that almost no one ever does in their rookie year. But if the Steelers want to have the best chance to be competing for SB's over the next decade plus, the QB has to be a guy that can just decide to go win a game. IMO, that is what it takes to be an annual SB contending team - potential league MVP level QB play year over year.

KP has the grit, the competitiveness, and the leadership skills to be "the guy". I just have not consistently seen the ability to elevate the players around him when it all breaks down. Some of those 8 yard scrambles need to become 15+ yard passing plays. Again, an awfully high expectation/standard, but from my couch each week -- that seems to be what it takes to separate the fringe playoff teams from the scary SB contenders. It takes super-heroes. It is almost not possible to do it and certainly not when the OC is so far below the bar...but I just am not certain where KP's ceiling is...

We'll find out more next year

If he becomes a really good QB like Dak Prescott, I'll be happy. Prescott is around the same level as Stafford who won the SB last year....I don't think it's realistic to think he can become an elite, top 3 QB but you can win with a top 10 QB, especially if he can step up in big moment...that's going to be the key

I believe Pickett can be a very good QB in a good situation but it remains to be proven of course...The steelers have talent in offense but the o-line and the OC must be better and if it improve next year he will be in a good situation

[vader29]

[DuckHodges]

We'll find out more next year

If he becomes a really good QB like Dak Prescott, I'll be happy. Prescott is around the same level as Stafford who won the SB last year....I don't think it's realistic to think he can become an elite, top 3 QB but you can win with a top 10 QB, especially if he can step up in big moment...that's going to be the key

I believe Pickett can be a very good QB in a good situation but it remains to be proven of course...The steelers have talent in offense but the o-line and the OC must be better and if it is to improve the year next he will be in a good situation

I tell you what, I'm gonna pop champagne as soon as the news is official that canada's fired

[teegre]

Fair enough.

I am sold that KP has potential. I am sold that he has gotten better week to week since entering the starting line-up. I am sold that the Canada "system" is strangling the production of offensive players across the board.

I am not sold that KP is a 10 year "franchise" QB. That is all I am trying to express. I am cautiously optimistic, but I do not see a guy that can drag his team to victory when it all goes to crap around him. That is an incredibly high bar to clear and I acknowledge that almost no one ever does in their rookie year. But if the Steelers want to have the best chance to be competing for SB's over the next decade plus, the QB has to be a guy that can just decide to go win a game. IMO, that is what it takes to be an annual SB contending team - potential league MVP level QB play year over year.

KP has the grit, the competitiveness, and the leadership skills to be "the guy". I just have not consistently seen the ability to elevate the players around him when it all breaks down. Some of those 8 yard scrambles need to become 15+ yard passing plays. Again, an awfully high expectation/standard, but from my couch each week -- that seems to be what it takes to separate the fringe playoff teams from the scary SB contenders. It takes super-heroes. It is almost not possible to do it and certainly not when the OC is so far below the bar...but I just am not certain where KP's ceiling is...

From one play… to the rest of the game… to the rest of the season… to 10 seasons…

[Mojouw]

From one play… to the rest of the game… to the rest of the season… to 10 seasons…

What else do you do with a rookie QB? It’s all about projection.

[Dwinsgames]

Late 3rd quarter and we have 68 freaking passing yards ... THROW the damn ball!!!

[polamalubeast]

Late 3rd quarter and we have 68 freaking passing yards ... THROW the damn ball!!!

ONly 4 drives and 14 pass attempts....Often run on first and second down before a pass attempts on 3rd down

[Dwinsgames]

ONly 4 drives and 14 pass attempts....Often run on first and second down before a pass attempts on 3rd down

at time of post down 10 points and losing the war of the trenches , got to spread the field and the defense some ....

[polamalubeast]

at time of post down 10 points and losing the war of the trenches , got to spread the field and the defense some ....

I agree

[Dwinsgames]

I agree

hey someone is listening 40% of Pickets passing yards on this drive

[polamalubeast]

hey someone is listening 40% of Pickets passing yards on this drive

but after that they run on second and 9 in the red zone......

[Dwinsgames]

but after that they run on second and 9 in the red zone......

back at it now ,,,, the def stepped up BIG last 2 times

Cardiac kids

[Mojouw]

There’s my holy shit moment!!

[polamalubeast]

CLUTCH!

[Edman]

He's Legitimate.

[DuckHodges]

hey someone is listening 40% of Pickets passing yards on this drive

The game plan was Harris and Warren in big doses

[pczach]

That play was big time. That's a play that great quarterbacks make.

I hope everyone watching that play understands how great of a play that was by Kenny Pickett and Najee, and how difficult and athletic a play that was. Wow!

[Mojouw]

That play was big time. That's a play that great quarterbacks make.

I hope everyone watching that play understands how great of a play that was by Kenny Pickett and Najee. Wow!

That’s got me believing

[86WARD]

That play was big time. That's a play that great quarterbacks make.

I hope everyone watching that play understands how great of a play that was by Kenny Pickett and Najee, and how difficult and athletic a play that was. Wow!

Everything that anyone criticized him for, he was able to prove them wrong on that last drive. Accuracy, zip, decisions, small hands, all of it…

[polamalubeast]

It is for this reason that we must play a QB in his rookie year(when the QB is drafted in the first round) so that he learns to live with the ups and downs of the NFL!

He wouldn't have had that experience if he'd still be on the bench.

[EzraTank]

back at it now ,,,, the def stepped up BIG last 2 times

Cardiac kids

You still think Trubisky is better?

[DuckHodges]

That play was big time. That's a play that great quarterbacks make.

I hope everyone watching that play understands how great of a play that was by Kenny Pickett and Najee, and how difficult and athletic a play that was. Wow!

He might be lucky that JPP has half a hand Hell of a play regardless, that was on the money throwing it off platform which is not an easy thing to do (though looking at Kenny's college games, he did that a LOT).