After comparing Tomlin's coaching record to his peers, at one time you could argue he was the second best coach in the NFL. That's not the case as the standard has fallen.
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After comparing Tomlin's coaching record to his peers, at one time you could argue he was the second best coach in the NFL. That's not the case as the standard has fallen.
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Possible but things can change quickly sometimes, good or bad.....Just ask to Andy Reid!
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Rather than repeat what everyone thinks, just visit the "Fire Mike Tomlin" thread with 61 pages and 1800+ posts. You'll get plenty of opinions there.
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At one time you could argue that Bill Belichick was the best coach in the NFL.Originally Posted by saturdaysarebetter
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You could have said the same about Cowher during his losing period before he won a Superbowl. And even the immortal Chuck Noll's reputation was taking a bit of a hit in the 80's - with fans and commentators claiming the game had passed him by.
To some extent Tomlin's career is already set in stone. I can't imagine anything happening that would keep Tomlin from being respected as one of the greatest coaches of his era. Certainly, the respect he garners from the players he coaches is evidence of that. (And no, it's not because he is so easy on them. Cam Heyward would not respect a coach because he was a pushover). He might even have done enough to merit Hall of Fame consideration already, but some will debate for sure. If he is able to get the Steelers (or another team) back to the Superbowl or at least making long runs too it, he definitely seals himself as a Hall of Fame Coach.
If he wins another Super Bowl it will just be with Cowher’s uniforms.
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If he wins another Super Bowl it will just be with Cowher’s uniforms.
Yes, and there are 5 hotdog vendors who will also be holdovers.
Although I agree with the idea Tomlin isn't a very good coach,the lack of proper punctuation prevented me from reading the whole article.
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Interesting take, given your poor punctuation.
The last 5 years, the standard has fallen? well yea 5 years ago was the beginning of a declining QB on a fat contract. This teams failures(mid 2010's) isn't just on Tomlin. Colbert was pretty incompetent in adding talent to the secondary, and well honestly just poor drafting period. Drafting (below) average receivers on day 2 almost every year sure didn't help, hopefully the new front office learned from that.
He added JOe Haden. That was a pretty nice addition to the secondary. He added Minkah Fitzpatrick to the secondary.
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Joe Haden being added to the secondary
Minkah was acquired in 2019, the year Ben was hurt. A little too late for contention.
Both improved the secondary. Without those two, the secondary is probably the worst in the league.Joe Haden being added to the secondary
Minkah was acquired in 2019, the year Ben was hurt. A little too late for contention.
now people realize you could have put in the waterboy as the head coach and still won super bowls because brady was his qb
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He was/is just a slightly above average coach that was led by the best QB that has ever played the game.
Without Brady he is under .500 for his career in 9 seasons.
Not many of them kinds of coaches stick around too long.
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There is a direct correlation between having a good QB and winning games.
It was too late back in 2019......It was still a great move but the killer b's era was over....
Correct.
But that’s within the last 5 years. The comment was made that he hadn’t improved the secondary but he had.
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Tomlin lost his HoF QB in 2019 in the 2nd game. 2 QBs that are no longer on NFL rosters shared time as backup. Tomlin coached that team to 8-8, barely missing the playoffs.
Tomlin’s 2022 team started 2-6 with a historically bad offense and a rookie QB. Tomlin coached that team to 7-2 the rest of the way and finished 9-7, barely missing the playoffs.
Tomlin’s 2013 team started 0-4 and got to 2-6 before turning the season around and finishing 8-8, barely missing the playoffs.
No, these are not considered good seasons. They are considered great coaching jobs. Mike Tomlin is a great coach. Whether he remains with the Steelers for life or moves on to coach elsewhere, he will still be a great coach. His lifetime coaching record as HC proves that. He has won 2 SB for those only counting championships. 7 time AFCN champion. 5 time AFCN runner-up. Mike Tomlin is a great coach. Best in Steelers history.
Ok then.
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Not best team, best HC in Steelers history. Noll had better teams. Cowher had better teams. Tomlin is the better coach.
Obviously this is my opinion. Not telling anyone how to live here.
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First time I've heard from anyone that Tomlin is better than both Cowher and Noll. That's quite a take. Did Tomlin win a Super Bowl that I'm unaware of? Otherwise, he won one. I do agree that Tomlin is a great coach. His real weakness is not surrounding himself with strength at the Coordinator positions. It's continuing to plague him into 2023.
So he gets a pass on those terrible starts? I don't think so. And to call him the best coach in Steelers history is laughable. Pure folly. Lombardi trophies matter.
Yep. look at all the 'greatest coaches of all time', and on those teams, every single one of them had a HoF QB at some point in his career, if not for a big chunk of it. Andy Reid will probably get that accolade when it's all said and done, but probably would have never happened if he never had Mahomes. Up until then, he was always the coach who wouldn't ever get it done in the playoffs.
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He won at Tampa before getting the DC job at Vikings, before the HC job for the Steelers. Won 2, went to 3.
One other clarification, my opinion is based on coaching job. The better coaching job. Not necessarily achievement. I think Tomlin has done a better job coaching than Noll and Cowher. Noll accomplished the most with 4 rings. Obviously.
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Not a pass. Where do you get that impression. He does get credit for turning those seasons around though.
Lombardi trophies do matter. Not sure what that has to do with folly. I explained my opinion already.
Not saying Tomlin isn't a good coach, but to put him before Noll is insane. Noll was a teacher when it came to coaching his players he was no nonsense his team was always prepared to play.
Why was Chuck Noll a great coach?
Noll was a sharp strategist, brilliant evaluator of personnel and strong motivator. “He was the glue,” said former linebacker Jack Ham, a Hall of Famer like Noll — and so many members of those Steelers teams. “He was the guy that got all of us to buy into how to win a championship. He took the lead.Jun 14, 2014
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We’re counting rings for DB coaches now?!
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There's no debate. Noll was a great coach. I never said he wasn't a great coach. The thread asks to compare Tomlin.
I can remember watching the Steelers as a kid. There were games that the Steelers were losing and you could park busses around Coach Noll and not get close to hitting a player. The story goes, Noll had no idea who Mike Webster was. Completely different coaching styles and approaches to the team aspect. Coach Cowher was a lot more like Noll in some ways, but was more of a guy that celebrated with his team like Tomlin. I love all 3 of these guys. I just think when compared solely as coaches, Tomlin has been the better of the 3.
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I was listing Tomlin's accomplishments as a coach. So for that reason, yes.
I expanded on the article going back further than the last 5 years as it's clearly obvious why "the standard has fallen"(end of article) was due to declining QB play, in which I don't place blame on Tomlin(or anyone else). I brought up the mid 2010's, when the team had higher expectations and poor playoff results. Those teams fielded an elite offensive team but couldn't get over the hill, mostly because of the horrible secondary. Which is true, and Colbert and co could not improve it enough during that time. Getting a gift in Joe Haden and placing him with a group that includes Mike Mitchell, Artie Burns, Sean Davis, Coty Sensabaugh isn't much of a fix. It's what cost this team a potential super bowl(aka the standard).
2019(Minkah's arrival) the window was closed. Too little too late.
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