This. You take the best player at your draft position or trade down for more lower picks to fill your immediate needs (DL and OL).Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
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Why link this post. That guy is an idiot and I would never listen to anything he posts.
true...But if you have the chance to take the next Aaron Donald,you run with it,no matter what!
Oh, I never knew about that. I thought someone in this year's draft actually killed a cat. Which would be totally not cool, but I wouldn't want to mess with him.
See you Space Cowboy ...
Currently in the 7th spot…
IndeedWhy link this post. That guy is an idiot and I would never listen to anything he posts.That guy never takes anything seriously…
I focused on Jalen Carter vs. Florida.
I wasn’t disappointed.
debatable ...
reason being using the same draft that Aaron Donald came from ...
if I had the choice of picking Donald or getting Zack Martin and Stephon Tuitt with Morgan Moses as icing on the cake ( rounds 1,2,and 3 and that is what I would expect to trade out of the top 5 at minimum to move back to say the 11 or 12 spot ...I'm taking the trade back 10 times out of 10 and I loved Aaron Donald more than most coming out of pitt ... maybe thats just me but I see Book end tackles for the next decade and a D-Lineman that is close to being as Dominant but for a shorter time frame ....
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
It's hard to hit an HR everytime in the 2nd round and even in the middle and end of the first round
At this point if we lose the next two games to fall to 2-7 I'm all for tanking for the best pick. I don't see this team winning more than 6 games unless TJ comes back and plays like a freak.
The nice thing is a great draft could put us right back at the top of our division because we have a lot of pieces in place already we just need a real OC and an OL.
The season doesn't end until January 9th, like baseball the season is just too darn long. They should go back to the 16 game schedule, but I know greed $$$ will never allow that
well 11-12 spot is top 1/3 not middle end
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
Saints winning will move Steelers up to 6. Lions winning too…not sure if that gets them above Detroit I’d Lions were to win. Carolina only down by a point…maybe up to 4 at the end of today?
Carolina now winning 28-24…
Saints won. So at minimum, up to 6th pick.
Steelers have the #2 pick at the moment based on win percentages.
They look like they will be at 5 after the Broncos win and the Saints win. They’ll jump the Seahawks and the Eagles. If Cleveland wins, they could jump one more spot by the end of the Week.
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After NO’s win, I am not sure we beat them after the bye.
Steelers aren't beating anyone. Maybe a NCAA team but not actual teams that play in the NFL.
Was there ever a thought that they could?
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Yeah, before this week NO had played about as well as we had, plus TJ will be back.
We got blown out by the Bills and the Eagles… who are likely the Super Bowl representatives from each conference. We were within one score of winning the other four losses.
Buuut… back to the draft. Currently, give me:
3. Jalen Carter, DL, Georgia
34. Joey Porter, Jr., CB, Penn St.
66. Zion Nelson, OT, The U
Comp: Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas
I'd take that draft class in a heartbeat.We got blown out by the Bills and the Eagles… who are likely the Super Bowl representatives from each conference. We were within one score of winning the other four losses.
Buuut… back to the draft. Currently, give me:
3. Jalen Carter, DL, Georgia
34. Joey Porter, Jr., CB, Penn St.
66. Zion Nelson, OT, The U
Comp: Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas
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Can we take:
1st - Best OL
2nd - Best OL left on the board
3rd - Best OL left on the board
Rest of picks - trade for an OC who is top 5
In the teens: YES
At #3: NO
True but my point remains the game.This is very hard to hit in every pick that you would in return if you trade down especially if you had the chance to have a generational player
the counter to that is we see so many "can't miss prospects" MISS so its an assumption you are getting a generational talent , these selections below I am betting teams loved them at that point in the draft or they would have selected someone else
.... so giving me 3 picks in the top 75 for 1 (plus my own other selections giving me 5 in the top 75), I like my chances of striking gold multiple times
2018 alone per example ... 3 of the top 10 not worthy
Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen
2017 - 5 of the top 9 picks not worthy
Trubisky
Fournette
Corey Davis
Mike Williams (good but top 7 good I don't think so )
John Ross
2016
Goff
Wentz
ELi Apple
Vernon Hargreaves
2015
Winston
Mariotta first 3 picks of the draft and they all suck
Dante Fowler (one of those can't miss generational talent kind of guys that stunk it up )
Kevin White
Vic Beasley
( and it gets worse from there making it even more clear the more selections you have the better your chances are at finding Gems)
example
Trae Waynes
Danny Shelton
DeVante Parker
Melvin Gordon
Kevin Johnson
Cameron Erving
Nelson Agholor
Cedric Ogbuehi
Shane Ray
Breshad Perriman
Phillip Dorsett
Stephone Anthony
the more darts you have to throw the better your chances are at hitting the bullseye
Last edited by Dwinsgames; 10-31-2022 at 07:50 AM.
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
The Browns often had this philosophy in the 2010s when they favored quantity over quality....I prefer quality over quantity and if the steelers are convinced that this player can be a game changer, you can't trade down for that!
Of course the evaluation must be good!
there is no guarantee of getting quality thats the problem and why its a crap shoot .... Dante Fowler per example was supposed to be the next great defender the 2nd coming of Lawrence Taylor they said ... how did that turn out with selection number 3 ?? I am betting the Jags would gladly go back in a time machine and trade out of that number 3 spot for a number 10-12 pick along with that teams 2nd and third rounder instead of taking Fowler .... ( that is my point in a nutshell is cant miss prospects miss all the time )
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles problem now
On the flip side, if Mahomes is there… not only do you take him, you trade up.
I agree with Dwins in that this might be a good year to trade back, if the Steelers are in the top 3, and acquire more draft picks throughout the upper rounds. A lot of "can't miss" prospects do miss, and other guys who are not labelled as stud prospects do turn out to be studs (see TJ Watt and Cameron Heyward as examples for the Steelers............in retrospect those guys would have been picked towards the top of the first round based on how their careers have turned out).
Who would you rather have, Troy Polamalu or 3 players? Ryan Shazier or 3 players? Ben R or 3 players?
If they end up in the top 3 -- get a guy that totally alters how teams play you and how you are able to play other teams. Especially because there are several reasons to believe that they won't be drafting there again for a decade or so.
Just as quantity can be quality...Quality is a quantity all its own.
Just gotta have faith that your scouting department can get it right.
True....that is what it really comes down to no matter where our favorite team is picking. I guess if the team feel there is a "generational" type player they can get in the top 3 then we have to trust the team. The Steelers have overall had a really good track record with their first round picks, with just a few duds here and there.
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Consider that the 'blueprint' has been to build an OL from the inside out. Yet seems it's always OTs that get taken first in the draft and get the bigger contracts. An offense must first have an identity and a goal though for any OL selection to make sense. The OL is a 5-man unit. You can't always just throw the higher ranked/rated names in there and it works. The highest rated OL on most big boards as of Halloween 2022 is Northwestern's Pete Skoronski OT, and OSU's Paris Johnson OT. Do either come in and immediately make this OL viable?
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