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    Pickett earns top goat for poor decisions near the end and throwing to DJ. Dude, stop throwing to DJ. He is un-clutch. A harsh learning lesson for Kenny tonight. You need to know who and where your playmakers are. Pickens and Freiermuth are your boys. DJ and Claypool are not.

    Diontae Johnson and Chase Claypool are gloried practice squad backup receivers for being their same mediocre performances. They are simply not that good and they don't do the little things that seperate average receivers from the good ones. Every time they get involved, nothing good happens.

    Matt Canada for his finest. Pre-Snap Penalties. Poor playcalling and play design.

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Pickett and the defensive secondary (minus minkah) for dropping 4 picks. Some of those picks would have had drives start in Miami territory and likely would've ended up in FG's at worst.

    I think Pickett will be good, because he didn't look rattled during any point of the game, but he did throw 2 passes with the WR nowhere in sight straight to the defender. You can't do that and expect a long career in the NFL. It was Neil O'Donnel-esque
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    It's hard to judge a rookie QB when you're put in such a bad situation like penalty or terrible playcalling... His last two interceptions, he was in a situation he had to force things... Take what the opposing defense gave was not enough at that point

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    I think Pickett can hang. To me, he has his first 3 career starts against 3 of the better teams in the league (Bills, Dolphins, Eagles).

    The kid can play. Let's just let him learn.

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    KP gets a goat this game, along with the usual Crapnada and his momentum killing play calls and Tomlin will get one every week from here out until he fires Crapnada.

    Defense stopped an explosive offense for most of the game so they get half a ball, dropping 4 INTs takes the other half away.

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    I have absolutely no problem with Pickett. Canada on the other hand...

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    Defense is the obvious goat. Our offense went point for point with the Dolphins in the 2nd half. If the defense could have scored a single TD we would have won!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckHodges View Post
    Pickett and the defensive secondary (minus minkah) for dropping 4 picks. Some of those picks would have had drives start in Miami territory and likely would've ended up in FG's at worst.

    I think Pickett will be good, because he didn't look rattled during any point of the game, but he did throw 2 passes with the WR nowhere in sight straight to the defender. You can't do that and expect a long career in the NFL. It was Neil O'Donnel-esque
    Both of those INT's were on passes to Diontae Johnson, who to the shock of nobody, wasn't on the same page as Pickett and can't make the play. DJ has consistently come up short in big moments. Pickett deserves goat for even looking his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edman View Post
    Both of those INT's were on passes to Diontae Johnson, who to the shock of nobody, can't make the play. Pickett deserves goat for even looking his way.
    He's basically got the 2 most anti-clutch WR's in the league in Claypool and Johnson. I'd say we go full rebuild mode and cut someone to make room for CAIII and deal with his rookie pains as well. Claypool and Johnson are definitely not franchise players.
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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Quote Originally Posted by lipps83 View Post
    I think Pickett can hang. To me, he has his first 3 career starts against 3 of the better teams in the league (Bills, Dolphins, Eagles).

    The kid can play. Let's just let him learn.
    I’m leaning your way still. But tonight he was the goat.

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    I pretty much expected an unimpressive outing. I felt good after beating TB last week, but after seeing how they lost to the worst team in the NFL this week 21-3, all of a sudden i was thinking that win last week didn't mean shit
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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Pickett is the goat. Interception machine.

    He is a rookie, made some good plays, but without improvement the Steelers need to be looking at taking another 1st round QB next year.

    Even old beat-up Ben would have won that game. Pretty sure Mitch could have gotten the win against a decimated Dolphin secondary.

    This loss is 100% on Pickett. Please quit making excuses for him....it is not helping him or the team. Maybe he gets better, but if he doesn't....the Steelers need to look elsewhere.

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Gameballs: Bush, best i've seen him play, and pickens (when he's thrown to)

    Goats: Canada for another horrible offensive game plan - way too conservative and the D doesn't respect what your firepower. Try to stretch the field - its your job.

    Also Pickett and DJ for not being on the same page, Pickett for not taking better care of the ball, DJ for not being aggressive (also pickett should think about losing the frikin the gloves, the NFL ball is slightly bigger than the college ball - getting rid of the gloves may give him more grip and velocity)

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    He is a rookie, made some good plays, but without improvement the Steelers need to be looking at taking another 1st round QB next year.
    That's why he needs to play this season

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    He is a rookie, made some good plays, but without improvement the Steelers need to be looking at taking another 1st round QB next year.
    Which is precisely why he needs to start and play the rest of the season. Gotta take the good with the bad, and hope he grows from it. After a few encouraging performances, this was his first game where he truly fucked up. He failed. We'll see how Pickett responds.

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Just out of curiosity, will all of Pickett’s interceptions always be the receiver’s fault?

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    Just out of curiosity, will all of Pickett’s interceptions always be the receiver’s fault?
    first was on chase the other two were on Kenny
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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's D View Post
    Pickett is the goat. Interception machine.

    He is a rookie, made some good plays, but without improvement the Steelers need to be looking at taking another 1st round QB next year.

    Even old beat-up Ben would have won that game. Pretty sure Mitch could have gotten the win against a decimated Dolphin secondary.

    This loss is 100% on Pickett. Please quit making excuses for him....it is not helping him or the team. Maybe he gets better, but if he doesn't....the Steelers need to look elsewhere.
    You're nuts...Peyton Manning had 28 interceptions his rookie year and went 3-13.

    Pickett is stuck with an OC that couldn't call a good play with a gun to his head. He's trying to make stuff happen on an offense that can't do anything. If you think you've seen enough to make the call or put the loss 100% on him, you're simply nuts.

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    The whole team is just a goat. They are so bad and so difficult to watch.

    This high school offense is so vanilla, predictable, plain and tiresome to watch.

    If Tomlin can’t figure this out at the bye week, then he has to become accountable for the downfall because it’s on him to make the proper changes and he hasn’t done it. Not even an attempt…


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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Quote Originally Posted by polamalubeast View Post
    It's hard to judge a rookie QB when you're put in such a bad situation like penalty or terrible playcalling... His last two interceptions, he was in a situation he had to force things... Take what the opposing defense gave was not enough at that point

    I said this with Mitch at the helm , a closer quote would be
    it wont matter who is playing QB as long as Canada is calling the plays

    But it was easy to Judge Mitch with that same JV OC and poor play calling ...

    the hypocrisy knows no bounds
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    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. 4 teams in 5 years and traded twice in one off season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    I said this with Mich at the helm , a closer quote would be


    But it was easy to Judge Mitch with that same JV OC and poor play calling ...

    the hypocrisy knows no bounds
    I want canada to be fired since the start of the season at least,even when Mitch was the QB...Better luck next time for you...

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's D View Post
    Pickett is the goat. Interception machine.

    He is a rookie, made some good plays, but without improvement the Steelers need to be looking at taking another 1st round QB next year.

    Even old beat-up Ben would have won that game. Pretty sure Mitch could have gotten the win against a decimated Dolphin secondary.

    This loss is 100% on Pickett. Please quit making excuses for him....it is not helping him or the team. Maybe he gets better, but if he doesn't....the Steelers need to look elsewhere.
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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil's D View Post
    Pickett is the goat. Interception machine.

    He is a rookie, made some good plays, but without improvement the Steelers need to be looking at taking another 1st round QB next year.

    Even old beat-up Ben would have won that game. Pretty sure Mitch could have gotten the win against a decimated Dolphin secondary.

    This loss is 100% on Pickett. Please quit making excuses for him....it is not helping him or the team. Maybe he gets better, but if he doesn't....the Steelers need to look elsewhere.


    7 picks in 13 quarters equates to 2+ a game average ...

    but the excuses will continue man could you only imagine if it was Mitch who tossed 7 picks in 13 quarters of play ? lol


    ok I can already here the responses calling me a "non true fan" , "a troll" etc etc because I refuse to drink the kenny koolaid ...

    Yes its all to true he wasnt my guy during the draft process and no I didnt like the pick ( nor any of the picks he has thrown ) but the day he was drafted my sig line went up and it has stayed so there is that
    Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. 4 teams in 5 years and traded twice in one off season

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    I think the entire defense should get a game ball for this effort. Seriously. I know they dropped a bushel basket of INTs. But I do not care. They held one of the more explosive offenses largely in check. Austin and crew made the new coaching hotness look fairly flummoxed and out of answers. At one point, the only thing the Dolphins could think to do was to run outside zone with Mostert for like an entire quarter. Edmunds continued to demonstrate why he's a key cog in the overall defensive machine. I will get a TON of crap for this but I am medium impressed with Tomlin and the player leadership for getting this team to play hard through any and all circumstances. I've seen a lot of teams that would have folded after the first quarter.

    For goats...there's a bunch. Canada. What more needs to be said? He's just out of his depth. Pickett. Had some rookie moments where he tried to do too much and Miami made him pay. The left side of the offensive line. Yuck. Dotson is basically useless. Moore tries really hard. Good for him. Maulet. Why does this team continue to put him in situations he isn't able to succeed in? Please start rotating him with literally anyone else on passing downs or where you want to play man coverages. Maulet plays run and zone. Pierre or a lucky fan plays anything that requires the DB to turn and run with the WR.

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    The left side of the offensive line. Yuck. Dotson is basically useless. Moore tries really hard. Good for him.
    I remember Dotson looking good and very promising as a rookie two years ago. I thought he might become a stud LG and that the Steelers had found a diamond in the 4th round. I wonder what the heck happened to him and his development the last two years? He looks the part and has serious size. I know he had some injuries last season and was also supposedly in the dog house for coming into camp his 2nd year out of shape.

    I would prefer the Steelers go defensive line (Jalen Carter, Bryan Bresee) or Will Anderson if he is there when they pick in the first round next year (I assume Steelers will have a top ten pick), but it almost seems like they have to go LT in the first round. Dan Moore to me looks like a good backup swing tackle, but not the long term answer as a starter at LT and the blind-side protector for your QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dislocatedday View Post
    I remember Dotson looking good and very promising as a rookie two years ago. I thought he might become a stud LG and that the Steelers had found a diamond in the 4th round. I wonder what the heck happened to him and his development the last two years? He looks the part and has serious size. I know he had some injuries last season and was also supposedly in the dog house for coming into camp his 2nd year out of shape.

    I would prefer the Steelers go defensive line (Jalen Carter, Bryan Bresee) or Will Anderson if he is there when they pick in the first round next year (I assume Steelers will have a top ten pick), but it almost seems like they have to go LT in the first round. Dan Moore to me looks like a good backup swing tackle, but not the long term answer as a starter at LT and the blind-side protector for your QB.
    I have no idea what happened to Dotson. And maybe he's been playing better than I can tell from mumbling angry words at my TV. But he sure seems to not do a lot of positive on the field. I have to wonder if Dotson looked good because he played next to AV when that dude could still play a bit. Maybe teams are just attacking Moore and Dotson because they are the weak links in the line?

    If they were to to draft a big time LT, I wonder if Moore could play some guard? Chuks seems to have RT fairly well in place. Or, at least he isn't a glaring problem.

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Gameballs

    Tomlin/Austin. I'm surprised no one . . . wait, no, I really am not surprised no one has mentioned Tomlin in a positive light as it is in vogue to hate on him no matter what. But for all be complaining and bellyaching about Tomlin not being able to adjust mid-game, take a look at how the defense changed and literally shut down a very hot Miami offense after the first quarter. In fact, they held Miami out of the endzone for the final 50:15 of the game., and held them scoreless for the final 41:44 of the game. Well done Tomlin and Autisn.

    Pickens. This kid just comes to play day in and day out.

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    Bush/Edmunds. Another example of in vogue hate, although I understand this one. But both players had very good games last night. I'm hoping their improvement continues. But were they good enough to get an HM let alone a gameball? Not quite. Thus, "maybe."

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Once again, we have managed to field a team that is less than the sum of its parts.

    This was yet another game that we could have won if we were even modestly successful on offense. Instead, what do we do? More stupid small ball.

    Keep everything in front of the defense, make sure they know without any doubt whatsoever that they can load up against the short stuff and cover everything with two guys over the top. Then once they're good and locked in on you - keep doing the same thing again. The same dipshit plan that never worked before and still doesn't work now. Some real rocket scientists at work here.
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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Once again, we have managed to field a team that is less than the sum of its parts.

    This was yet another game that we could have won if we were even modestly successful on offense. Instead, what do we do? More stupid small ball.

    Keep everything in front of the defense, make sure they know without any doubt whatsoever that they can load up against the short stuff and cover everything with two guys over the top. Then once they're good and locked in on you - keep doing the same thing again. The same dipshit plan that never worked before and still doesn't work now. Some real rocket scientists at work here.
    It may be exactly the sum of its parts.

    This is like loading the first version of MS DOS on a supercomputer and wonder why you can't solve quantum mechanics or something.

    Canada is just too awful for there to be any hope.

    For all the hand-wringing about turnovers and sacks, this is still a defense that held a professional football team to 16 points. Even if you add back in the FG that the Dolphins turned down, that is still under 20.

    The game losing problems start and end on offense. And I think everyone kinda sorta knew it was going to be bad. Just not this bad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    Gameballs

    Tomlin/Austin. I'm surprised no one . . . wait, no, I really am not surprised no one has mentioned Tomlin in a positive light as it is in vogue to hate on him no matter what. But for all be complaining and bellyaching about Tomlin not being able to adjust mid-game, take a look at how the defense changed and literally shut down a very hot Miami offense after the first quarter. In fact, they held Miami out of the endzone for the final 50:15 of the game., and held them scoreless for the final 41:44 of the game. Well done Tomlin and Autisn.

    Pickens. This kid just comes to play day in and day out.

    HM (Maybe?)


    Bush/Edmunds. Another example of in vogue hate, although I understand this one. But both players had very good games last night. I'm hoping their improvement continues. But were they good enough to get an HM let alone a gameball? Not quite. Thus, "maybe."

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    I have to give Tomlin a goat, and will do so until Crapnada is gone. Ultimately it is on him to put this team in the best position to win, and the OC is the biggest reason we are not. He gets a goat no matter what until the OC position is changed.

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    Re: Goats vs. Dolphins

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post


    7 picks in 13 quarters equates to 2+ a game average ...

    but the excuses will continue man could you only imagine if it was Mitch who tossed 7 picks in 13 quarters of play ? lol


    ok I can already here the responses calling me a "non true fan" , "a troll" etc etc because I refuse to drink the kenny koolaid ...

    Yes its all to true he wasnt my guy during the draft process and no I didnt like the pick ( nor any of the picks he has thrown ) but the day he was drafted my sig line went up and it has stayed so there is that
    No excuses this week, many of us have said KP deserves the goat for the last 2 picks (the first was on Chase). And most of us were clamoring for Crapnada to be fired last season (same as you). Would MT have done better than KP? Maybe, maybe not. Most of us wanted KP in there so we know if he is worth building a team around, nothing to do with MT really. Our OC is what is killing us, no matter the QB. After we lost the 2nd and 3rd game, there was no reason to think we were going to make any sort of playoff run, so may as well see if your new rookie QB is worth it or if you have to get another QB next season. I don’t understand why that is so difficult for you to understand? At this point, KP is our QB, and I will root for him because he is our QB. I want to know if he is good enough or not. I hope he is, because that means we can spend good picks on other needs, that is all. I didn’t like the pick either, but that is what happened.

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