It's the lack of playoff wins that many aren't happy about and the loss to Tebow in 2011 and Jaguars in 2017 with 10 pro bowls in the roster is a black stain.Originally Posted by fansince'76
Many talk about our great stats in defense in the regular season but in the playoffs, in our last 4 playoff games, they gave up over 40 points per game....Not just their fault, but still too many
Ok. So how many playoff wins would change anything? 2? 3? 12?
Really, what is the difference in bowing out of the WC round or the divisional round?
...or 4 AFCCGs. All at home.
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Diontae Johnson making a Pro Bowl was dumb and meaningless designation but Tomlin is a bad coach because he had 10 Pro Bowlers and no SB.
Can we just try and be a bit consistent?
How many Pro Bowlers did St. Cowher have on his various defenses that didn't win diddly poo?
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Yep, but since when? I think many of us are overlooking an even bigger issue here. Dan Rooney is gone. If we're putting the demise of the Steelers at 2010, should we not take into account that Rooney vacated his position as chairman in 2009?
Every once in a while, I remember HTG's comments about Art Rooney II, and she was not impressed after having to deal with him professionally (wasn't she a paralegal at one point?). I just have to wonder if her concerns are coming home to roost a decade later.
I don't know about the number(since context matter) but since 2011 it's very disappointing... We haven't played against teams like the pats or other powerhouse teams in the NFL that often in the playoffs outside of 2016 and 2021.
It's not just on Tomlin of course and we've had some bad luck with the injuries at some point(2014,2015) but overall, it's a disappointment but again not just on Tomlin even if I prefer Cowher as head coach
You just misunderstood literally everything I said. It's not that we aren't consistently on top. It's that we're never really even close. See the difference?
The "spoiled Steelers fans" contingent has this thing where they claim anyone who complains wants some ridiculous standard of perfection, and then says "well, who else has accomplished that, HMMMMM?"
Well, that's garbage. No one thinks that. Being upset that you don't win the championship every year is wildly different from being unhappy that you haven't contended for a championship for over a decade. Many, many teams and coaches have exceeded what we've done during that time period. It's not as if Tomlin has the magic formula and the only reason it hasn't worked for the last 12 years is bad luck.
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To be a true contender so often and to be in the title game 6 times in 15 years is very hard to do....Cowher just needed a QB to step up when the time was right
Many talk about the time Cowher stuck on Stewart way too long, it's true but at the same time, what were his other options?...The only chance he had before 2004 was Drew Brees who took 4 years before d to be very good
Again, Tomlin is a good coach, but I prefer Cowher's resume...Tomlin is similar to Payton and Harbaugh which isn't a bad thing.
I don't consider Johnson a true pro bowler, since he was only a substitute...It's true that the pro bowl is not the best way to judge a team, I'll give you that, but at the same time it's was still a very talented team in 2017...I remember before the 2017 season, I thought it was the most talented steelers team in the Roethlisberger era but unfortunately, the maturity and leadership of this team was a problem... True Shazier's injury was a killer
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Since 2010:
7 playoff appearances (almost 60 percent)
2 divisional round appearances
1 AFCCG appearance.
Is that great? No, but I'd say that's contending for a championship. Unless, of course, you mean consistently playing in the Superbowl, but that's a ridiculous standard that can only be achieved through cheating.
3 divisional round apperances since 2011(all came from 2015 to 2017) is way too low...The Carolina panthers have also 3 divisional round apperances since this time...This is bad
even in the post Bradshaw and pre Cowher years(1983 to 1991),the steelers make the divisional round 3 times during this period....
It's more that since 2010, even when we make the postseason, it's not been "All right, playoffs, let's kick some ass, we're gonna do it this year!" It's been more like "ehhhh, playoff time, our defense is about to get shredded - if we win a game I'll take it, but it'll be a pleasant surprise if we go anywhere." And that's been borne out in the playoff results.
We just haven't been a top-tier team in forever, just hanging around on the fringes of the top third. And that isn't going to get you shit. Point to all the stats and trends you want, but it's easy to tell the difference.
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Low expectations is what bothers me the most. The phrase 'Never a losing season' is weak, really weak. In School (no matter what level) 50% is failure and the fanbase and more so the talking heads in the sports media have accepted the decade long failure of this team. It's become a culture of mediocrity that Tomlin has brought to Pittsburgh and fans have a right to be upset. Mike Tomlin benefited greatly from a dominant team both offensively and defensively and its trended downward from the 2010 season until now. If the Rooneys want to win games and restore some semblance of football dominance it has to begin with the firing of Mike Tomlin.
OK, so making the postseason pretty consistently apparently doesn't make a team a contender, yet winning the SB every year is unrealistic. So what exactly is top-tier? I'm just trying to understand what you mean by top-tier?
Also, haven't you said the playoffs were basically 3 (or 4) games of Blackjack? Or does that only apply to the Tomlin era Steelers?
Have the Steelers put some flawed teams in the playoffs? Absolutely. So does everyone. EVERY team has at least one fatal flaw and it's been that way since the advent of unfettered free agency and the salary cap.
And yes, luck does have something to do with it - how many playoff games were Roethlisberger, Bell, and AB all 100% healthy and available to play? Not too many, as I recall. I don't think it was Tomlin's preference to stick his 4th-string RB in against Denver in the 2015 Divisional game leading in the 4th quarter and driving toward the icing score who promptly coughed it up resulting in the game ultimately being lost. Incidentally, Denver was the eventual SB winner that year. So, again, how is that not even getting close to a championship?
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And this is what some mean by spoiled fans. (Not you, specifically, but just this idea). Why? Because there are only eight teams in the NFL that have reached the divisional round more times than the Steelers in the last ten years and two of them walked through very weak divisions. The top two teams on that list, Green Bay and New England, have had very little competition within their division. The Patriots have only had Buffalo to contend with, and they only have two appearances. Green Bay has only had Minnesota to contend with, and they only have two appearances as well. By comparison, the Steelers have and to contend with Baltimore (4 appearances), Cincinnati (1) and the Browns (1).
Now, sure, there are 7 other teams that have reached it as many times as we have. And, the Chiefs and the Seahawks have had tough divisions as well (at least, one other team with whom to compete), but in truth, it looks like only the NFCW puts more teams in the divisional round more often than the AFCN. So, no, it's not "Bad." Is it disappointing? Absolutely. But it's disappointing because Steelers fans have very high standards. There's nothing wrong with that . . . as long as it's kept in perspective.
I'd also think twice about including the 2012-2014 seasons since Dan and Art Rooney chose to put us in salary cap hell because they wanted to keep the majority of the Superbowl team together for a couple of last shots in 2010 and 11. In fact, I remember one of them (or maybe Colbert?) saying they were willing to trade three or four bad years for a couple of shots. So, the down years between 2012 and 14 were pretty much assumed and planned as they would dig from under the cap.
Look, I'm not claiming this is a great team or that Tomlin is the best coach in the NFL. But there are not a lot of coaches that I would want other than him.
For a look at the raw numbers of teams making divisional round appearances, I'll provide it below.
1 Green Bay Packers 7 New England Patriots 7 3 Kansas City Chiefs 6 Seattle Seahawks 6 5 Baltimore Ravens 4 Denver Broncos 4 New Orleans Saints 4 San Francisco 49ers 4 9 Atlanta Falcons 3 Carolina Panthers 3 Dallas Cowboys 3 Houston Texans 3 Indianapolis Colts 3 Los Angeles Rams 3 Pittsburgh Steelers 3 Tennessee Titans 3 17 Buffalo Bills 2 Minnesota Vikings 2 Philadelphia Eagles 2 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2 21 Arizona Cardinals 1 Cincinnati Bengals 1 Cleveland Browns 1 Jacksonville Jaguars 1 Los Angeles Chargers 1 San Diego Chargers 1
Even the Houston Texans are the same that the steelers...Ouch.In fact this is even more(2011,2012,2016 and 2019)...Again not just on Tomlin but maybe it's this year they will have a big wake up call... They were very poor when you have similar stats as the panthers and texans.And you did not count 2011 too for many team
I'm looking for an intelligent coach, a coach that can adjust mid-game, a coach that doesn't stand motionless on the sideline as his team has its ass handed to it. Tomlin is a good speaker, he has catchy phrases and smoothly delivers Tomlin isms. Post game he appears to be a coach who is capable of remedies mid week to change the trajectory of the season. I want the opposite of Tomlin, a coach that says little post-game and let's actions be his words
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And, this is the problem. We're saying, "Oh, the Texans." That automatically means it's bad. No, it doesn't. That's like saying, "Oh, you beat the Bengals in the Superbowl, that doesn't mean anything." The names on the jerseys don't matter at this point. Statistically, we are tied for the ninth most appearances and one behind the 5th most appearances. Am I happy with that? No. But the way some people are talking about this team you'd think we were the Browns or the Bengals rather than sinking to becoming just a slightly above average NFL team.
Well done.
And the Broncos are just ahead of the Steelers with 4, yet they're at FIVE straight losing seasons (2017-21) at this point (and counting).
Once again, perspective, folks.
In fact the steelers are 2 behind of all of his teams since they have all been in the divisional round 5 times.You forget about 2011.The steelers are tied between the 10-18 rank who is average.This is not supposed to be the standard.....
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This says it all.
Because the Broncos had some very good years when they had Peyton Manning with 2 super bowl game(1 win)It still count.Of course they have been horrible since 2017 but when they were a good team,they were always in the divisional round at least
NE and GB have played in garbage divisions for the entire run of a HOF QB's career. You should make the divisional round just by showing up.
Meanwhile the Steelers are in an annual 3 way death match with the Ravens and whichever one of the Ohio teams manages to feel frisky that year.
That matters. How many times did the Steelers show up in the playoffs just absolutely depleted and drained? How often did the NFL end their season with an AFC grudge match? Go look at how many other teams on that list had to do the Bataan Death March in Weeks 15 and 16 and then go win a playoff game. Hint, it is not many.
The AFC north weren't a problem for the steelers between 2004 to 2010 even though that division were still great...they even won an SB as a wild card and 2 other SB appearances(1 win) when they played the ravens at their peak 3 times during the season!!!!
No, because Art Rooney was running the show since the early 2000's, albeit with Dan Rooney advising.
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