Former Steeler Ryan Clark calls out Pittsburgh: 'This team gave up'

[polamalubeast]

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/20...ke-tomlin-nfl/

He is 100% right...This is one thing to lose but losing without a fight,this is unacceptable....

[Lady Steel]

Kenny Pickett didn't give up, He was out there beating up someone who was after his knees.

Hire Ryan!

[Rotorhead]

He’s not wrong, and it started with the coach. Going for 3 down 3 scores. After moving the ball well on the first drive, reverting to run run pass for the next 3 drives. Anyone that doesn’t think that effects the team is fooling themselves.

[DuckHodges]

The defense did give up on numerous occasions. One in particular, #35 basically let up after allowing a catch and didn't even attempt to make a tackle on a receiver in about an arm's length away, actually slowed down, and ran sideways with him along the sidelines. At that point I was like yep, the defense mailed it in.

Going for field goals down 21 points and especially 31 points was definitely giving up.

[polamalubeast]

He’s not wrong, and it started with the coach. Going for 3 down 3 scores. After moving the ball well on the first drive, reverting to run run pass for the next 3 drives. Anyone that doesn’t think that effects the team is fooling themselves.

great point

[Lady Steel]

[that1guy]

The team is coached by a talentless clown. Tomlin gets lost when his team faces adversity, he does the complete opposite of what a great coach would do, Adjust. The culture in Pittsburgh is rotten, no discipline and no direction and that is the Mike Tomlin legacy. He does so little with so much and it's gone on for nearly a decade

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Tomlin gave up and didn't bother challenging a couple of the plays he would have won. Granted the game was one sided then. In the past he would have still challenged them.

[EzraTank]

The team is coached by a talentless clown. Tomlin gets lost when his team faces adversity, he does the complete opposite of what a great coach would do, Adjust. The culture in Pittsburgh is rotten, no discipline and no direction and that is the Mike Tomlin legacy. He does so little with so much and it's gone on for nearly a decade

Yeah but look at his coaching tree ... oh wait. Nevermind.

[polamalubeast]

Yeah but look at his coaching tree ... oh wait. Nevermind.

It's his biggest problem...It's important for a head coach to have very good assistant coaches...It's rarely been the case under Tomlin.And I'm also talking about position coach

[DesertSteel]

I gave up at halftime too...

[polamalubeast]

If the steelers win no more than 4 games and the games are often a blowout by the end of the season, maybe it's going to be time for a change....He's a very good coach but sometimes for the better for the steelers and also for Tomlin sometimes it feels good to change after 16 years, like Andy Reid and the eagles who both won a super bowl after Reid left after 2012

[Edman]

The playcalling and coaching was spineless all through the first half.

[86WARD]

Tomlin gave up and didn't bother challenging a couple of the plays he would have won. Granted the game was one sided then. In the past he would have still challenged them.

What plays?

[Mojouw]

All we need to complete Steelers meltdown Bingo is a parade of super old players calling in to radio stations, ranting on Facebook video, and being retweeted directly into our brains.

I await Rocky Bleir’s rant. I bet Lipps is somewhere waiting to get asked to have a take. Maybe someone can track down Bryan Hinkle?

[Mach1]

All we need to complete Steelers meltdown Bingo is a parade of super old players calling in to radio stations, ranting on Facebook video, and being retweeted directly into our brains.

I await Rocky Bleir’s rant. I bet Lipps is somewhere waiting to get asked to have a take. Maybe someone can track down Bryan Hinkle?

Or the armchair quarterback on a forum telling everybody how wrong they are.

[86WARD]

All we need to complete Steelers meltdown Bingo is a parade of super old players calling in to radio stations, ranting on Facebook video, and being retweeted directly into our brains.

I await Rocky Bleir’s rant. I bet Lipps is somewhere waiting to get asked to have a take. Maybe someone can track down Bryan Hinkle?

Ryan Clark has already started that…

[Mojouw]

Or the armchair quarterback on a forum telling everybody how wrong they are.

Oh no! Someone on the internet doesn’t like me! Whatever will I do!

[Mojouw]

Ryan Clark has already started that…

At least he’s getting paid to rant. I love the guys that do it for free. Like they still matter.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

What plays?

There was one before but forget what that one was and then the Pickens one where Romo and Nance was saying Challenge like 8 times.

[86WARD]

At least he’s getting paid to rant. I love the guys that do it for free. Like they still matter.

True

[86WARD]

There was one before but forget what that one was and then the Pickens one where Romo and Nance was saying Challenge like 8 times.

That was clearly incomplete. A hand down doesn’t count the same as an elbow or foot or knee or shin. So one hand and a foot don’t equal two feet. That was a good no challenge there. Not sure about the other play you are talking about.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

That was clearly incomplete. A hand down doesn’t count the same as an elbow or foot or knee or shin. So one hand and a foot don’t equal two feet. That was a good no challenge there. Not sure about the other play you are talking about.

Romo and Nance where saying he had his elbow down and why they kept saying to challenge it over and over again.

[Steeler-in-west]

I don’t think they gave up, they were just overwhelmed, they’re not as bad as the score showed

that being said, RC is a former Steeler, I’m sure he hates what he saw, I think he’s disgusted and it’s his way of trying to light a fire under the team

[fansince'76]

Yeah but look at his coaching tree ... oh wait. Nevermind.

As opposed to Belichick's, I presume?

Bill Walsh's coaching tree includes Super Bowl-winning coaches like Mike Holmgren and George Seifert. Marty Schottenheimer's includes Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy. Bill Parcells' coaching tree includes Belichick, Sean Payton, and Tom Coughlin.

But Belichick's hasn't had nearly that level of success. As of November 28, 2020, his former assistants have a combined record of 208-296-1, a brutal .413 winning percentage.

Bill Belichick's 'coaching tree' hasn't fared well as NFL head coaches

Honestly, who even really has a coaching "tree" anymore?

[Mojouw]

As opposed to Belichick's, I presume?



Bill Belichick's 'coaching tree' hasn't fared well as NFL head coaches

Honestly, who even really has a coaching "tree" anymore?

McVay and Shannahan. But that will start to change. Defense has finally found some adjustments to slow that system down. I expect we will start seeing the 30-40% of the league that’s running that system start switching to whatever the new hotness becomes.

[dislocatedday]

Perhaps it is just the nature of being a head coach, and I am not saying Tomlin is perfect, but I feel like sometimes he does not get credit when he should. Over his tenure his teams have consistently put forth effort on the field, and guys seem to like playing for him. He never loses the locker room with guys pointing the fingers at each other, and he holds the team together when they do hit rough patches. I also remember games where they did make adjustments at halftime on defense to shut down a team in the 2nd half, and the players did talk about Tomlin making those adjustments at half time and drawing it up on the board himself. It seems kind of baseless to say Tomlin is just a rah-rah cheerleader guy that stands on the sidelines. He kept the team playing hard all last year and they managed to get a playoff berth, which seemed highly improbable midway through the season.

I think Tomlin likely does need a very strong offensive coordinator to run that side of the ball, and I am not sure he has had that for awhile........at least not with Fichtner and now Canada. If they can get a new OC in the offseason to get the offense moving in a positive direction, and add a few more players over the next couple drafts that make positive contributions, then I think this team might seriously be able to compete at an elite level. I'm willing to give Tomlin that chance to rebuild the team in the post-Ben era.

[Mojouw]

Perhaps it is just the nature of being a head coach, and I am not saying Tomlin is perfect, but I feel like sometimes he does not get credit when he should. Over his tenure his teams have consistently put forth effort on the field, and guys seem to like playing for him. He never loses the locker room with guys pointing the fingers at each other, and he holds the team together when they do hit rough patches. I also remember games where they did make adjustments at halftime on defense to shut down a team in the 2nd half, and the players did talk about Tomlin making those adjustments at half time and drawing it up on the board himself. It seems kind of baseless to say Tomlin is just a rah-rah cheerleader guy that stands on the sidelines. He kept the team playing hard all last year and they managed to get a playoff berth, which seemed highly improbable midway through the season.

I think Tomlin likely does need a very strong offensive coordinator to run that side of the ball, and I am not sure he has had that for awhile........at least not with Fichtner and now Canada. If they can get a new OC in the offseason to get the offense moving in a positive direction, and add a few more players over the next couple drafts that make positive contributions, then I think this team might seriously be able to compete at an elite level. I'm willing to give Tomlin that chance to rebuild the team in the post-Ben era.

All of this!!

I will add one other thing. There are a number of remarkable stories from players and coaches of Tomlin's ability to diagnose plays in real-time. Calling out missed assignments and other issues during the game on the sidelines. Then the film study reveals he was spot on. Tomlin knows his football top to bottom.

I do agree that he needs a strong OC. Wouldn't be the only defensive oriented coach with that condition. Right now, the Steelers are suffering from the fact that they bought the wrong model from the OC store. It happens.

[polamalubeast]

Perhaps it is just the nature of being a head coach, and I am not saying Tomlin is perfect, but I feel like sometimes he does not get credit when he should. Over his tenure his teams have consistently put forth effort on the field, and guys seem to like playing for him. He never loses the locker room with guys pointing the fingers at each other, and he holds the team together when they do hit rough patches. I also remember games where they did make adjustments at halftime on defense to shut down a team in the 2nd half, and the players did talk about Tomlin making those adjustments at half time and drawing it up on the board himself. It seems kind of baseless to say Tomlin is just a rah-rah cheerleader guy that stands on the sidelines. He kept the team playing hard all last year and they managed to get a playoff berth, which seemed highly improbable midway through the season.

I think Tomlin likely does need a very strong offensive coordinator to run that side of the ball, and I am not sure he has had that for awhile........at least not with Fichtner and now Canada. If they can get a new OC in the offseason to get the offense moving in a positive direction, and add a few more players over the next couple drafts that make positive contributions, then I think this team might seriously be able to compete at an elite level. I'm willing to give Tomlin that chance to rebuild the team in the post-Ben era.

True, except at the end of the 2018 season but of course AB was the biggest reason why the locker room was toxic at that point, so we can't blame Tomlin on that.

But this year, if you listen to what the players are saying after games on offense, a lot of frustration, so it's a big test for Tomlin right now.

Yes he needs a much better OC and for the rest of the season the goal is going to be to have something we can build for 2023 on offense...we need to find a true identity for this unit

[DesertSteel]

Who is Tomlin's mentor? Does he have one? Would it be Tony Dungy? He really needs an outside perspective right now, someone he respects. Because the fans and the media saying his coordinators blow will just cause him to double down.