If Mitch was 10-13 with 3 picks you all would be lining up to run him out of town but since it is your prodigy Kenny Perfection Pickett you bend over backwards to make excuses for him and blame everyone but him for the 3 picks ....
Please all I ask of you all is to be consistent !!!
do not make excuses for one where you would be belittling the other .....
there was some good things but some horrible things ... quit trying to sugar coat this shit because it is still at this point shit !!!
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
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I'm happy Pickett is in there but I was willing to see what Mitch could do.
I don't think they can go back to Mitch after yesterday
Likewise, I don't think someone with a sig line that includes "I hate the Kenny Pickett selection" has any leg to stand on when they ask for others to be objective.
To be fair, Pickett is a rookie who was thrown in cold in the 3rd quarter yesterday after yet another half of football where the offense did squat with Trubisky.
And I'd be willing to bet money that they would have wound up settling for another FG from Boz after Fitzpatrick's INT that put them on the Jets' 4-yard line if Trubisky had still been in there.
One is a rookie who come out off the bench for his first NFL game ever...The other has been below average this year and also during 4 years in Chicago
I don't know if Pickett will be good in the future but this is time to know and we have 13 games left for that
Exactly. We really don't know. And frankly, I'd like to find out sooner rather than later.Originally Posted by polamalubeast
That's why I kept hoping in vain that Roethlisberger would be able to come back from the elbow injury. Unfortunately, he couldn't. However, even at the end, Roethlisberger was still our best option at QB to come out with a win every week. So what's that say?
So, before I'm accused of being on the KP bandwagon, I've long been vocally in the camp of thought that franchise QBs don't grow on trees and that the Steelers are probably going to go through a few QBs before they get it right. I only hope it doesn't take 20+ years again.
But it's pretty damn clear that Trubisky is nothing more than a career clipboard holder at this point.
Possible and even if Ben was not close to be the same QB that before last year,when the game was close in the fourth quarter,it was a steelers win with him!
The throw that got me out of my seat was the one where he hit Muth on a seam route knowing he was about to get blasted by the free rusher. Put it in the perfect spot, came up with a shit-eating Hines Ward grin and talked smack to the defender. This kid as IT - and here's hoping we see steady improvement as he starts getting first team reps.
Remember (if you're old enough) Ben's first game when he came in for an injured Tommy Maddox? He did some things, made some mistakes, and the Steelers took the L. Then he ripped off 15 straight wins - more than doubling the rookie win streak record. Will Pickett do the same? Highly doubtful, but he did just become the first NFL QB to rush for 2 touchdowns in his first ever game.
The kid has brass balls, shows he can stand tall in the pocket and take a hit, makes quick decisions with the football, and it highly accurate. I've seen enough back foot, late, off-balance throws from Trubisky to know he's nothing more than a career clipboard-holder at this point.
I mean one is a rookie and one is a five year veteran (or is it six...I can't math good).
Sure...okay. Let's have the same standards for those two things. That's a thing that everyone does. Totally reasonable.
AND...even if we did, Pickett scored points and converted third downs. Something that Trubisky does not do. Honestly, I will take a few INTs if it leads to actual plays and points.
FWIW, the Hail Mary doesn't count. It never should for anyone. The pass to Muth was a total rookie mistake and hopefully he learns that he can't do that crap in the NFL. This isn't Saturday against Vanderbilt. And I think the Claypool pass was a less than great throw but I am pleased he made it. It was a good opening statement process with poor results. MT hadn't made that throw all season.
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I called him the goat in the goat thread. He threw a couple bad balls and they were costly. But I am glad for you that you got to start a (premature) told you so thread.
When was the last time Trubisky led any sort of comeback? I'll wait.
You want consistent, the only thing consistent is that with our previous guy, we would score about one touchdown per game and steadily fall farther and farther behind as we keep going three-and-out. The standard to beat is that Mitch The Bitch plays losing football. He doesn't even give you any hope while he's doing it, he's just bad.
See you Space Cowboy ...
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I think there's a distinct difference. Both INTs that counted (I don't count the Hail-Mary INT) were rookie mistakes that anyone should expect from a rookie. The first one was simply timing as he hasn't had a lot of reps with the receivers and so, threw a contested ball rather than leading him another 5-7 yards to the left side of the field so he could catch the ball in stride. If KP is the starter for the rest of the season and he continues to make that mistake 3-4 games from now, you'll hear me complaining about it. Right now, a rookie gets a pass for making rookie mistakes in his first-ever regular season football game after getting few-to-no reps in practice.
The second INT was another rookie mistake. As I said in another thread. He needs to learn to throw it an inch lower so PF can catch the ball or a foot higher so no one can catch it. But that's something that getting reps in general and getting reps with PF can (and hopefully will) fix.
This isn't an excuse. It's an explanation of what's going on. An excuse would be removing any responsibility he may have and blaming it on the receivers. In my opinion, in both cases while the receivers own a little bit of responsibility (they both batted the ball), the lion's share of fault falls to KP.
If Pickett was in his 5th year, yes. You keep forgetting that convenient little fact. Sorry Mrs. Trubisky but your husband stinks.
such is life man, life isn't fair and yes, fans will be more forgiving to a rookie than a veteran who's on his 6th year and still hasn't figured it out (and has had a history of shitting the bed). I would have thought someone your age would know this by now.
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Is Dwins serious?! Literally everyone expects Pickett to make mistakes as a rookie. The best time to make those mistakes is as soon as possible.
1 INT hit Claypool in the chest. 1 INT hit Freiermuth in the hands. And 1 INT was a hail mary.
The INT off Freiermuth's hands gave the NYJ the ball at their 35. They drove 65 yards for a TD after having gone 91 yards for a TD.
The Steelers have a poor OL with no run game and an inconsistent defense. And the coaching staff is below average. This is a terrible team for a rookie QB honestly. When Ben played as a rookie he had great coaches and one of the best run games, best OL and best defense. That is what sets a rookie up to succeed in the win column.
I did not see anything with Mitch's play that gave me hope that he would be able to help the offense to get better going forward. It was constant checkdowns and little else. I don't know how much of that is Canada and his play calling/scheme vs Mitch himself, but the offense definitely looked more fluid and able to move the ball with Pickett yesterday. I think most Steelers fans do not expect Pickett to be almost perfect and an elite QB at this point, but rather just want to see someone who shows promise and can inspire confidence at the QB position. All I saw with Trubisky through 3 and a half games is a stagnant and decaying offense with no signs of hope.
That missed the playoffs 3 of the previous 5 years and finished 6-10 the season before his arrival. And God only knows how long they would have stuck with Turnover Tommy if he hadn’t gotten injured, especially after Rooney pulled rank on Cowher to draft Roethlisberger to begin with.
Consistent? The only thing consistent here has been all the excuses made for Trubisky.
Trubisky has had six years in the league, on his third team in as many years. He had ample opportunity and more than enough time to figure things out and prove he had what it took to be a star QB. He doesn't. After five years he still have the same problems. Poor mechanics, inconsistent throws, and a complete inability to elevate the team and players around him. Mitch cannot sustain drives and keeps going three and out. Players showing visible frustration on the field. Any deficit looking insurmountable for the offense. Sooner or later, bait needs to be cut.
You have a point. Trubisky would never throw three picks in a game like Pickett. You know why? Because Mitch would never have the balls to take those shots in the first place. Mitch would grab a first down or two (maybe) then nothing. Then its on the Defense to put up a struggle session to get the ball back or make a play. Mitch gets the ball back and responds with another three and out or another nothing drive. Even old Ben, with his busted arm, would take his shots. He just couldn't do it, but the fact remains he still tried. You have to give your team a chance to win, and Mitch was too preoccupied keeping his job than give his team a shot. That's not starting material. That's losing football. Trubisky is a swell guy, but he's not an NFL Quarterback.
And the main reason we're not giving Kenny Pickett too much shit is despite the interceptions, he energized the team gave us a shot to win. Will he be a good Quarterback? We're not sure. But he showed some impressive tools and we have to find out what Pickett's made of. We're not getting anywhere watching Mitch bungle his way through four quarters while Pickett "learns".
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People arent covering for him, he is a rookie (and as stated got little to no reps so far) and we expect rookie mistakes to be made. But the main point he moved the ball and scored more than MT in less playing time with no practice. The fact that you cant see that shows your dislike of him is clouding your judgement.
Either way, we will know if he is our next franchise or not after this season. I just wish Tomlin would have made the decision to start him after last game so he got some practice in, instead of throwing him in cold at halftime. Even now Tomlin isnt committing to KP as a starter so far. He needs to make the change, let KP get the reps so we can see what we have.
The details have already been discussed very well by others so i'll just say we were ranked next to last in total offense with Mitch at the helm going into the Jets game. The cinci win was all because of the defense - i won't give much credit to Mitch and offense for that fist week.
Its time to give the 1st round pick his chance. KP brought the team back last Sunday - he deserves his shot. Mitch has had 4 years and three games to prove he can lead an offense and he hasn't shown he can do it effectively.
like i've mentioned before, Mitch was replaced by an over the hill Andy Dalton in Chicago - let that sink in...that should have been a red flag to our coaching staff.
They werent bad interceptions and if Trubisky threw the same, Id say the same
So what are you ultimately trying to say? Steelers should start Trubisky?
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I didn't get past the bold .... show me quotes or they do not exist .... the Closest thing I have said that might be considered an excuse is that Canada sucks and he does.....
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Trubisky showed a willingness to chuck it downfield. Can't take that away from him.
But everything else about being a QB was off.
Inaccurate to all levels of the field. Regularly costing team yards, conversions, and points with this issue. Latest example was early in the Jets game. He throw late and behind Warren on a crosser and then they punted.
Late on many (many throws). See above.
No sense of pressure. Often took off when no real reason. And then, other times, just stood there and got sacked. Whatever "pocket presence" is - Trubisky has zero of it.
Appeared to be not moving from his first look (read?). Seemed to be predetermining where the ball was going and it was going there no matter what.
Is KP any better at all this stuff? Absolutely no idea. No one does. But Trubisky has had 54 NFL starts to demonstrate he can get better at the above. And he has repeatedly demonstrated that he can not. Time to move on.
From what I've seen, KP is better than MT in literally everything.
Accuracy - Pickett. Also seems to already have better throwing mechanics than Mitch.
Progressions - Pickett
Pocket Presence - Pickett. Seems to make better decisions on when to stay in the pocket and when to take off. Keeps his eyes downfield when scrambling which i like.
Confidence / Leadership - Pickett. Team just naturally seems to rally around him.
Mobility - Tie. Both have shown the ability to pick up 1st down yardage with their legs, but neither will be mistaken as Lamar Jackson
Decision Making - TBA (too small a sample size at the moment. Kenny appears to be more of a risk taker, so there will be more big plays, but also more mistakes)
Arm Strength / Deep Ball Accuracy - TBA (both show a willingness to go deep but neither have shown much success at that so far. Kenny still has time to prove he can. Kenny's hail mary traveled about 67 air yards so the strength is there, but the matter of connecting that deep is yet to be seen)
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I see it this way and if Kenny wasn't on the team I'd be hoping they give Rudy a shot. I'm sorry but not moving the ball and the chains something had to change. Yea Canada is to blame as well but Trib was part of it too. Also Kenny throws a great INT and those are not head scratchers we seen from Ben and others wondering who was he throwing too.
Reading through some of the quotes floating around the internet from the past 2 days by Steelers players....I get the sense that the rest of the roster just didn't believe in Trubisky as a football player.
Every pass Pickett threw during the game Sunday with the exception of the Hail Mary hit the receiver in the hands, couple that with the 2 rushing TDs and you've got a pretty good start. Pickett will most likely be able to practice as QB1 all week and prepare for the game instead of standing on the sideline. The kid has a lot to learn but being upset because he is trying to win games for (presumably) someone's favorite football team instead of cheering him on is beyond my comprehension. Just give him a fair shot.
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Yeah it’s pretty bad that with Mitch you get excited just to see a first down. Forget about points. That’s unheard of.
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I keep forgetting this guy reports on the NFL. Everytime I see him he looks like a used car salesman to me. And I mean the 'old school' kind.
pretty much, every time we got a first down i'm like OHHH YEAHH NOT A 3 AND OUT!!!! STARTED FROM THE BOTTOM NOW WE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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