Lamar Jackson

[Mojouw]

Their measurements, if accurate, are almost identical.

Why let pesky numbers get in the way of a good story?

The stats and measurements just do not seem to back up the common responses when people are asked about Jackson. Not sure why he is such a polarizing player and less proven commodities like Hurts (really only had one good season on a far more loaded team than Jackson has ever played for) are just not called into the same level of debate?

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Like I said,you can't give a over 200 millions guaranteed on a player that you are not sure,not with a salary cap...This is not baseball!

How is $150 million guaranteed for 3 years of Aaron Rodgers somehow less crippling than $200 million for 5 years of Lamar Jackson?

Rodgers is older, far grumpier, doesn't work well with others at this point, and despite the MVP awards didn't really experience much overall team success.

If that contract was feasible for a team...why is basically the same deal over a longer term somehow an anchor that will destroy a franchise?

[DesertSteel]

Their measurements, if accurate, are almost identical.

My eyeballs tell me differently.

The stats I just looked up tell me differently too.

Lamar 6’2” 212
Fields 6’3” 228
Hurts 6’1” 223

I guess sometimes pesky numbers are part of the story because they’re accurate.

[polamalubeast]

Why let pesky numbers get in the way of a good story?

The stats and measurements just do not seem to back up the common responses when people are asked about Jackson. Not sure why he is such a polarizing player and less proven commodities like Hurts (really only had one good season on a far more loaded team than Jackson has ever played for) are just not called into the same level of debate?

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How is $150 million guaranteed for 3 years of Aaron Rodgers somehow less crippling than $200 million for 5 years of Lamar Jackson?

Rodgers is older, far grumpier, doesn't work well with others at this point, and despite the MVP awards didn't really experience much overall team success.

If that contract was feasible for a team...why is basically the same deal over a longer term somehow an anchor that will destroy a franchise?

Good question

So many bad QB contract last year in the NFL for the QBs...Wilson,Rodgers,Watson....Of course for Rodgers he was just a back to back MVP, so it helped to have this huge contract but a year later, the packers are ready to move on from him

For Jalen Hurts, I would also not be ready to give a 200 millions guaranteed (unless it's a very long contract)...A great season is not enough yet...For Burrow, that's another story, I would be ready

[Born2Steel]

The Ravens and LJ have been in contract talks for 2 years now. They can still get a deal done by the July deadline. Lamar’s tweet is that he asked for this trade on March 2nd. Are we just now seeing it in the last week of March?

I don’t think either side is being very honest about any of this. I’m not interested in following it anymore either.

[Edman]

Lamar wants over 230 million guaranteed. The same deal Watson got. He's not getting it. And now he wants a trade where teams have to give something up for him. Not happening.

[steelreserve]

Jackson: "I want a huge fully guaranteed deal!"

Ravens: "Even though you're still kind of a question mark with multiple red flags? Probably not happening. But here's a large nine-figure deal anyway."

Jackson: "But I want the same deal that other guy got! The exact same deal!"

Ravens: "You mean the one that worked out horribly and everyone was going holy shit, what were they thinking?"

Jackson: "Yeah, that one!"

Ravens: "Tell you what, we'll tag you and if anyone wants to make the same deal, they can do it, and actually they'd have to give up less draft picks than the Browns."

Jackson: "No one else is interested! Give me that same deal!"

Ravens: "No thanks."

Jackson: "I want to be traded to one of those teams that wasn't interested in paying me, so they can pay me what I want!"

Ravens: "Uh, well they can basically trade for you already just by offering you a contract, it's in the franchise tag rules."

Jackson: "I don't care! Take less than that!"

Ravens: "Um ... what do you even want, dude?"

Jackson: "I want my fair market value!"

Ravens: "But none of the teams in the market were willing to pay you that, so it's not actually your market value."

Jackson: "I want the exact same deal as that guy! THAT GUY!"

Ravens: "But you don't understand, nobody is ... (pause) you know what, Lamar, it's fine. It's fine. I'm sure somebody will make an offer."


lol ... Read the room, dude.

[Mojouw]

My eyeballs tell me differently.

The stats I just looked up tell me differently too.

Lamar 6’2” 212
Fields 6’3” 228
Hurts 6’1” 223

I guess sometimes pesky numbers are part of the story because they’re accurate.

It still doesn’t change the fact that his last two injuries took place in the pocket.

10 pounds is the difference between being injured and not? Jackson is bigger than several starting RBs.

[silver & black]

Jackson: "I want a huge fully guaranteed deal!"

Ravens: "Even though you're still kind of a question mark with multiple red flags? Probably not happening. But here's a large nine-figure deal anyway."

Jackson: "But I want the same deal that other guy got! The exact same deal!"

Ravens: "You mean the one that worked out horribly and everyone was going holy shit, what were they thinking?"

Jackson: "Yeah, that one!"

Ravens: "Tell you what, we'll tag you and if anyone wants to make the same deal, they can do it, and actually they'd have to give up less draft picks than the Browns."

Jackson: "No one else is interested! Give me that same deal!"

Ravens: "No thanks."

Jackson: "I want to be traded to one of those teams that wasn't interested in paying me, so they can pay me what I want!"

Ravens: "Uh, well they can basically trade for you already just by offering you a contract, it's in the franchise tag rules."

Jackson: "I don't care! Take less than that!"

Ravens: "Um ... what do you even want, dude?"

Jackson: "I want my fair market value!"

Ravens: "But none of the teams in the market were willing to pay you that, so it's not actually your market value."

Jackson: "I want the exact same deal as that guy! THAT GUY!"

LOL! Exactly!

[DesertSteel]

It still doesn’t change the fact that his last two injuries took place in the pocket.

10 pounds is the difference between being injured and not? Jackson is bigger than several starting RBs.

The results are what they are. Logic doesn’t change the outcomes. Some guys hold up and some don’t.

But 16# and 11# to be precise.

[Mojouw]

The results are what they are. Logic doesn’t change the outcomes. Some guys hold up and some don’t.

But 16# and 11# to be precise.

Again...if you want to be really specific about it....why no mention that Jackson was not hurt leaving the pocket, but rather was injured staying in the pocket attempting to make a pass? Unless I was not able to locate the proper information and have the wrong play...

No one ever mentions that the offense he was in often ran third down plays with no checkdowns or other options for the play breaking down other than "Oh Crap! Lamar go make several guys miss!". He has had awful weapons most of his career. For instance, many rated Hurts as a worse passer than Jackson prior to the start of last season. The Eagles made a dedicated effort to surround Hurts with elite weapons and an offensive system designed to give him a wealth of options. Put Jackson in that same environment and he would thrive.

The Ravens are not a good offensive football team and had a bad offensive plan. That has to be accounted for in all of this. I fully realize that early in his career, Jackson would just take off sometimes. But for several years now, from what I have seen, he sticks around and tries to make the pass work. His running mostly the play called by his coaches. So was it Jackson's style or Roman's style?

I am honestly trying to understand how so many negative things about Jackson seem to "stick" to him when I feel like it isn't backed by what happens on Sundays and worse players in better situations get less blame...it appears to just be something I can't work out in my head...

[DesertSteel]

Tell me why 31 other teams are not making a single move towards Jackson. If Burrow or Mahomes were In similar circumstances what do you think would happen? He’s not that good of a QB. He had one great year and one good year. The last two have been average at best and he’s missed 11-12 games. What is hard to understand?

[Mojouw]

Tell me why 31 other teams are not making a single move towards Jackson. If Burrow or Mahomes were In similar circumstances what do you think would happen? He’s not that good of a QB. He had one great year and one good year. The last two have been average at best and he’s missed 11-12 games. What is hard to understand?

I suspect that is owners wanting to avoid writing out another guaranteed contract. They want to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

It will be really interesting to see how the next set of QB contracts is navigated by all involved. Honestly, I wish someone like Burrow or Mahomes would make a guaranteed demand. That would be fascinating to watch unfold.

[86WARD]

My eyeballs tell me differently.

The stats I just looked up tell me differently too.

Lamar 6’2” 212
Fields 6’3” 228
Hurts 6’1” 223

I guess sometimes pesky numbers are part of the story because they’re accurate.

That’s different than what I see from the Ravens site:

[polamalubeast]

Jim Irsay on Lamar Jackson: Money not a problem, I don’t like fully guaranteed contracts

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...eed-contracts/

[Born2Steel]

So…if Jalen Hurts gets a contract averaging $45-50M/year, for 4years with 2-3 years guaranteed money. There can be no collusion. It comes down to has the player earned it.

[Mojouw]

Jim Irsay on Lamar Jackson: Money not a problem, I don’t like fully guaranteed contracts

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...eed-contracts/

But he does like booze and pills!!

Interestingly enough....his comments seemed to also say "Hey, Ravens...we will take Jackson off your hands....but for less than two first because now you all are in a bind..."

Lordy, lordly, these guys think they are clever but they are predictable. As soon as a team thinks the costs tilt in their favor, suddenly a deal will get done.

[DesertSteel]

That’s different than what I see from the Ravens site:

Alabama said Bryce Young was 6'2" also. There's no way Lamar is 230.

[DesertSteel]

I suspect that is owners wanting to avoid writing out another guaranteed contract. They want to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

It will be really interesting to see how the next set of QB contracts is navigated by all involved. Honestly, I wish someone like Burrow or Mahomes would make a guaranteed demand. That would be fascinating to watch unfold.

But if a real top 5 QB was on the market, teams would at least be having conversations and gauging for themselves if a suitable deal could be reached. Teams like the Colts, Falcons, Redskins and other QB-needy teams don't deem him to be a top 5 QB.

[steelreserve]

The other thing that I bet everyone is sick of is that every borderline top-10 QB has to become the highest-paid QB in the league when it's his turn to sign a contract, just because of whatever game of pride and money and one-upsmanship is going on. Sure, salaries gradually go up over time as the amount of cap space goes up, but sometimes it really gets stupid. The Watson deal and the phantom mirror-image deal that Jackson is chasing are excellent examples of that.

[86WARD]

But if a real top 5 QB was on the market, teams would at least be having conversations and gauging for themselves if a suitable deal could be reached. Teams like the Colts, Falcons, Redskins and other QB-needy teams don't deem him to be a top 5 QB.

Im sure that’s part of it but do they just not feel that the money is warranted versus the playing time?

[EzraTank]

Why let pesky numbers get in the way of a good story?

The stats and measurements just do not seem to back up the common responses when people are asked about Jackson. Not sure why he is such a polarizing player and less proven commodities like Hurts (really only had one good season on a far more loaded team than Jackson has ever played for) are just not called into the same level of debate?

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How is $150 million guaranteed for 3 years of Aaron Rodgers somehow less crippling than $200 million for 5 years of Lamar Jackson?

Rodgers is older, far grumpier, doesn't work well with others at this point, and despite the MVP awards didn't really experience much overall team success.

If that contract was feasible for a team...why is basically the same deal over a longer term somehow an anchor that will destroy a franchise?

I really think it comes down to style of play. And yes I know he was hurt tackled in the pocket but seriously if you think his running style isn't a huge risk I don't know what to tell you. Lamar, like Ben, holds the ball way too long as well. Owners are looking at him and saying, "look you're not great to begin with QB wise, you can run but if you get hurt I'm now on the hook for $200+ million in guaranteed money ... no thanks."

Yes Rodgers seems like a douche (probably is) and has won only one Superbowl (which I still hate) and squandered a lot of good teams but the one thing Rodgers has the Lamar doesn't is durability. Rodgers doesn't miss many games because despite being able to run, rarely does unless he has an open lane. Like Brady, Rodgers style will allow him to play longer and not be hurt. Look at Lamar, already missing big chunks of games and he's only 26. Both contracts are a risk but the Jets are banking on Rodgers being able to play well for three more years. If your the Ravens do you really want to lock up Jackson for 5 years only to have him get lit up during one of his runs and miss a season in a league where the QB is the most important position by a mile?

[Born2Steel]

Now LJ says he will not return to Baltimore?

[Mojouw]

I really think it comes down to style of play. And yes I know he was hurt tackled in the pocket but seriously if you think his running style isn't a huge risk I don't know what to tell you. Lamar, like Ben, holds the ball way too long as well. Owners are looking at him and saying, "look you're not great to begin with QB wise, you can run but if you get hurt I'm now on the hook for $200+ million in guaranteed money ... no thanks."

Yes Rodgers seems like a douche (probably is) and has won only one Superbowl (which I still hate) and squandered a lot of good teams but the one thing Rodgers has the Lamar doesn't is durability. Rodgers doesn't miss many games because despite being able to run, rarely does unless he has an open lane. Like Brady, Rodgers style will allow him to play longer and not be hurt. Look at Lamar, already missing big chunks of games and he's only 26. Both contracts are a risk but the Jets are banking on Rodgers being able to play well for three more years. If your the Ravens do you really want to lock up Jackson for 5 years only to have him get lit up during one of his runs and miss a season in a league where the QB is the most important position by a mile?

I think the games missed thing is totally a cover story for the real reason -- they don't want to write a guaranteed contract.

2019 - didn't start 1 game because they had clinched.
2020 - didn't start one game and played in both playoff games
2021 - sprained and ankle in week 14 and missed remainder of the season (4 games)
2022 - knee sprain and missed final 6 games counting the Wildcard round

In 2018, after missing over half the season due to a broken collarbone suffered evading a sack, Rodgers was signed to a (at the time) a towering contract extension. Jackson has a sprained ankle and knee evading sacks and he is an injury risk?

NFL owners do not want to write out guaranteed contracts. That is becoming super clear. And they are using their media contacts to drive a narrative that Jackson is an injury prone RB or something. I don't buy it.

Daniel Jones missed 6 games or so in 2020 and he just $40+ million per year. Daniel Jones! And he runs all the time.

[DesertSteel]

Lamar is doing a lot of talking now. This is going to get ugly as he tries to defend himself from the media narrative. His immaturity will get the best of him.

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Injuries aside, what part of Lamar’s 2021 and 2022 seasons make him a worth two first round picks and $50M a year? Is it his 33/20 TD/Int or his sub 90 passer rating? Maybe his career 174 passing yards a game?

[polamalubeast]

[steelcityboyz]

Lamar is doing a lot of talking now. This is going to get ugly as he tries to defend himself from the media narrative. His immaturity will get the best of him.

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Injuries aside, what part of Lamar’s 2021 and 2022 seasons make him a worth two first round picks and $50M a year? Is it his 33/20 TD/Int or his sub 90 passer rating? Maybe his career 174 passing yards a game?

Agreed. The bottom line is he's just not that good to bring that kind of money. Why is it so hard for certain people on here to see that? And why would an owner of a team dump loads of guaranteed cash into the lap of a QB who only excells at running the football... Insane.

[86WARD]

I hear on the radio that there’s definitely interest in LaMar…just not at the contract price he’s asking. There’s no interest in his injury history. There’s no interest in his playoff record. There’s no interest in his playing style. Other than that, there’s a lot of interest in LaMar…lol

[DesertSteel]

I hear on the radio that there’s definitely interest in LaMar…just not at the contract price he’s asking. There’s no interest in his injury history. There’s no interest in his playoff record. There’s no interest in his playing style. Other than that, there’s a lot of interest in LaMar…lol

Is he really that much more talented than Colin Kaepernick at his peak? Other than about 30 yards more rushing per game, everything else is about the same. Other than CK is 4-2 in the playoffs and Lamar is 1-3.

[steelreserve]

Agreed. The bottom line is he's just not that good to bring that kind of money. Why is it so hard for certain people on here to see that? And why would an owner of a team dump loads of guaranteed cash into the lap of a QB who only excells at running the football... Insane.

Because muh owners are greedy and they just want to screw over the hard-working players. Why it's a classic example of class struggle, clueless billionaire elites banding together to stick it to the working man, evils of capitalism and probably racism, etc., etc. It's us against them, fight the man!

[Dwinsgames]

It still doesn’t change the fact that his last two injuries took place in the pocket.

10 pounds is the difference between being injured and not? Jackson is bigger than several starting RBs.

but RBs are not getting 40 million + a year either or fully guaranteed contracts and they are noted as having a short shelf life ...

in a way you are kind of proving the point unintentionally