There are three quarterbacks on the roster, but only so many first and second team reps to go around. We need to see what Pickett can do with no scrubs.Originally Posted by DesertSteel
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King is a windbag. "Basically" means whatever a person wants it to mean. It's likely to happen, but I don't need Peter King to know that.
It seems easier for QBs so far in the training camp to be with the second team offense and play against the second team defense
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So far this camp Mason has been his usual self. Consistently average but has his moments, like this:
Aside from some shots to Pickens, Trubisky has been a scattershot, and Pickett is just getting the hang of things.Alex Kozora
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One of the plays of camp. Rudolph hits Calvin Austin III deep down left sideline for 76 yard TD. Beat CB Linden Stephens. #Steelers
Don't count on the Offense being good this season, that's for sure. As '76 puts it, the cupboard is bare.
So many moment like this for Mitch so far in the training camp
But....But....But.....Brian Daboll fixed Trubisky by standing near him for an entire season and sending positive QB waves in his direction.
Our QBs are such a huge question mark that we'll be happy at the end of the season if our offense is around 20th in points and yards (assuming not too many turnovers with that)
Expectation is really low for this unit right now
Maybe by some. I personally think it’ll be better than last couple of years. At very least it’ll be more entertaining than watching an immobile QB who’s arm was shot throw 3-4 yard passes all game. Truly amazes me after a few days of practice how a rookie is a bust already and Trubisky shown no improvement. Can we atleast have a preseason game.
Yeah, it was sad to see a future HOF QB be so limited at the end, so it can't be worse for that.
But we can have doubts about our QBs that we have right now without jumping to conclusions immediately too.Nothing wrong about that and I will be very happy if I am wrong on at least one of the 3 QBs on this roster
I don’t remember the reports from camp last season having the offense struggle against the defense in shorts. I feel like the reports were about how Ben was still slinging it and Harris looked good etc.
But then the real games started and the offense was not good.
Unless something dramatic has changed in how they’re structuring practices, early signs point towards a worse offense in the regular season than in 2021.
This next week in camp could change everything or nothing. Who knows?
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20th would be better than the past couple years, wouldn't it? (I'm not bothering to fact check myself.)
Last year, the Steelers were 21st in PPG and 23rd in yards, but that's very misleading, since they were bottom 5 in yards per pass attempts and per run attempts.
Also, almost half of our points scored were in the fourth quarter last year(169 of the 343 were in the fourth quarter), so they were the second highest scoring team in the league in the fourth quarter but also one, if not the worst team in the league for points scored in the first 3 quarter of the game.Only the New York Giants had a worst first half offense that the steelers in 2021.
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Yeah didn't we go 7 games in a row without a TD in the first half? That to me was enough to fire the OC even if Charlie Brown was playing QB.
100 percent we should have doubts. Just a little premature to label a guy a bust or call for another QB after first 2 incompletions in first practice. All you can do is laugh. Sounds a little like Philly fans.
Hyperbole
Do you really think that coaching doesn’t matter? Really. I mean… really.
Yes. Coaching absolutely matters. And I do not think that one season as the backup the Bills had zero intention of ever playing was enough to overcome Trubisky’s myriad flaws.
It’s not like they were running a reclamation project that was crucial to their succces like with Alex Smith and Ryan Tannehill. Trubisky was well paid to hold a clipboard and be a professional.
We are gonna see when Week 1 rolls around.
Lots of preseason overreactions going on in many threads in many directions…lol
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Do you really think that Daboll ONLY had Trubisky hold a clipboard? Daboll never spent time studying film with Trubisky. Never focused on his footwork. Never coached him in any way.
He did those things but in the way that all vet backup QBs do. Minimal time and reps.
Remember, going into last season there were still questions about whether or not Allen could repeat his play, let alone elevate it. The little I’ve read indicated that Allen dominated reps in 2021.
How much improvement did Rudolph make with backup reps? Judging by the Detroit game not much.
I don’t remember but did Daboll even pursue Trubisky once he got to the Giants? I know they’re broke and all but if he didn’t, then that means he thinks Jones is better?
We have how much precedent league wide over the past 5-10 years of starters switching teams after their rookie stint? Likely more than a few. How many of them then had a second act resurgence? A really small number.
Until actual tangible evidence from game performance or a detailed look at revamped mechanics, Im going to go with precedent. The past precedent overwhelmingly indicates Trubisky will be what he’s been before.
I can honestly say that one day (let alone one season) of watching film with Daboll trumps the three years of “coaching” that Trubisky got from Matt Nagy. In fact, as Justin Fields has alluded to: Nagy actually hindered his players’ development.
But, I also believe that players can actually improve with good coaching.
All that can be true and Trubisky can still be highly flawed.
Go watch almost any game from his Beats tenure. It’s not that he’s not seeing open guys or just throwing into coverage. If it was I would buy into the take him away from Nagy and he’ll thrive argument. But It’s that he repeatedly fails to execute “simple” throws to open guys.
I’m not smart enough to know what caused that. But I’ve read or heard nothing along the lines of mechanical or footwork fixes that have positioned Trubisky for a renaissance.
Honestly, a souped up Trubisky would be a heckuva fun player to root for. By all accounts he’s been an ideal teammate and person since he was drafted. I am rooting for him. But I typically (not always) attempt to base my expectations on a chain of events.
I am almost certainly being overly pessimistic but I counter that the high end projections for Trubisky are far too (blindly) optimistic for little tangible basis.
Again, what lofty projections? What renaissance?
Daboll vastly improved the play of Josh Allen. Trubisky was in those meetings watching film, analyzing plays. To think that Trubisky learned NOTHING from Daboll is saying that either Trubisky is uncoachable or he is too dumb to learn; I don’t think he’s either of those things.
That said, maybe you’re right.
Maybe he has made ZERO improvement.
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I wish somebody could convince David Cutcliff to come be the Steelers QB coach.
That's the fun of it.
The narrative I'm going with now is maybe we're finally seeing Rudolph with a real opportunity to really show what he can do without worrying about politics and stepping on the toes of a future HOF franchise QB. So far he's been outplaying his competition.
But we'll see come when the game action begins. I don't necessarily expect this to last.
Perhaps you’re not there but those predictions that feature a division crown and a multi game playoff run are fairly lofty.
Just read Kaboly’s latest take on the Athletic. I realize it’s paywalled so most won’t see it but it is not good. Trubisky is 3-20 in the seven shots drill including an 0-16 run. In larger team periods it seems Trubisky is up to his old tricks of inaccurate and making poor decisions.
Trubisky spent three years with the Bears being one of the worst QBs I’ve ever watched play. But 70% of the QB posts here since his signing have projected 10+ wins and playoff games. I literally can not wrap my head around that. At all.
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This season could very much resemble 2019 from an offensive perspective. But at least this time we have some hope in a 1st round draft pick at QB. Even if KP starts at 3 on the depth chart, there's hope.
Honestly though, with the weapons this team does have on offense the QB only needs to not be a turnover machine and to play smart. A Rudolph/Trubisky level QB could win 7/8 games with these weapons and defense. An improved Rudolph/Trubisky could find 9/10 wins. If a QB steps up beyond that why not have high hopes for the season.
In 2019 Mason was a backup and nothing more. He was never going to be anymore than what he was currently. That team was going into that season in contending mode until Ben wrecked his elbow. Mason and Duck were the backups and they played up to their limits in an offense not designed for them. Wether you like it or not, they were not going to supplant Ben on the depth chart regardless of how 2019 turned out. It just wasn't happening. As poorly as Ben was playing last season, he was not getting benched. That's just not how the Steelers do things.
2022 is different. Ben is gone and anyone of these guys are "the man" of the offense now.
I would love to watch an 8+ win team in 2022. Be tons of fun.
But I’ll be happy if progress is made with Pickett becoming the long term playoff winning starter. That could be an 0-17 season as long as Pickett shows positive development.
I don’t think they’ll be that bad but, for me, wins and losses don’t matter in 2022. Only providing a runway for Pickett to thrive does. He’s gotta hit 2023 ready to make “the leap” or it’s all a waste of time.
Alternatively Rudolph or Trubisky could make that leap in 2022 and Pickett becomes superfluous. Also a positive outcome.
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Probably because we made the playoffs last season with QB play for 1 qrtr per game, so on the strength of the Def and running game. So if our QB play is just average, we have what many consider a better OL, and at least as good of a defense we should have a similar outcome.
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