To be fair, our OL has degraded each of those years as well, not saying Snell is great or anything.Originally Posted by teegre
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To be fair, our OL has degraded each of those years as well, not saying Snell is great or anything.
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Let's hope Najee doesn't follow the same pattern...
True… the O-line got worse. That said, Najee averaged 3.9 (versus 2.7) behind that same abysmal line.
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Nah… he’s going to get better. As I pointed out during the season, Najee was trying to do too much and/or he didn’t trust his blocking. When Najee went north-south, he did very well. With Daniels, Najee will have plenty of opportunities to follow a lead blocker (who excels at going north-south).
There I fixed it.
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I'm hopeful of the same. As long as the Steelers don't go crazy and sign him to a high-dollar second contract. We've all seen where that leads. Run his wheels off for 5 years and replace him. Might not seem fair to the RB, but all RBs know the drill from High School forward these days. I would never encourage my son to be a RB if he was super athletic.
Indeed Run him and replace him. It’s a heartless business.
And that’s why I encourage my kids to take up golf… you can play into your 80s.
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You're a genius (I guess you already knew that).
I would encourage my son to take up woman's (sorry birthing persons) swimming! He ... err she ... they will dominate!
I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night…
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Najee was ranked the 8th best back in the league yesterday. That’s high praise IMO. I hope he climbs up to 3-4 by season’s end.
Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb, Christian McCaffrey, and Najee… I’ll take it.
The bolded part…
I hope for more running play and more explosive passing play in offense
Is this realistic?
It will depend on the QB play but if the Steelers are not able to consistently make a pass that goes over the yellow line for the first down, like in the last 3 years, it will be painful to watch again
Much less bubble screen on the second or 3rd down and long or a draw with Snell would be great too
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It's the worst way to develop a QB, even 2004 was not like that
Yes, the Steelers ran a lot (one big reason was because the Steelers had the lead most of the time), but when it was pass play, it was often for a deep shot, not for a checkdown!
are we really going to use a lot of 3TEs, 1 RB and only 1 WR formations?
I hope not.Put the best players on the field the more often possible!
Gentry is their second TE and I have no idea who is our 3rd TE,so if DJ is our number 1 WR,I prefer to see Claypool and our 2 rookie WR on the field the more often possible that Gentry.
They drafted Heyward for formations like this.
If they are relying on a draft pick to make or break this offense, they’re screwed…lol
Yeah...I hate so much when the steelers use this formation.This is since Todd Haley was our OC.It was always 2 running plays in the middle in front of a defensive wall for the opposing defense and the steelers were almost always on 3rd down and 8 or something like that
The only time I remember it working was a drive against the dolphins in the wild card game in 2016
Canada was most likely going to run it without Connor but he was drafted cause he was the type of player that fits that scheme.
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How do our line and weapons compare to what Trubisky had in Chicago?
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
Outside of Allen Robinson,he had almost nothing in Chicago.Also if this is Trubisky our QB,I believe our running game could be much better because of his legs.It was a huge difference for the running game of the bears in 2020 when it was him the starter.Of course his arm is the reason why he was a backup last year.....6.7 yards per pass attempts in his career is not good
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No, that's exactly how 2004 went You're thinking 2005 once Ben had a year under his belt and a tad more trust by the coaches.
I added up the runs and passes of the first eight games (I have to get back to work so I stopped there). Not counting any runs or passes when the Steelers had a significant lead in the 3rd or fourth quarter, or in the first Ravens game when they were coming from behind, here's what the numbers look like.
177 runs—none of which were second half take-the-air-out-of-the-football runs. (55 percent)
145 runs—which include 2 minute drill and come-from-behind-must-air-out-football passes. (45 percent).
However, if you play this more evenly and take away the two minute scenarios (just as I removed the second-half run the clock out runs), that difference is even more pronounced.
165 runs 58 percent runs
120 runs 42 percent passes.
I consider running the ball almost 60 percent of the time (while the game was undecided, minus 2 minute drill) in the modern era three yards and a cloud of dust football. Like I said, if memory serves, the following year played out more to your scenario of passing until they got the lead. In fact, again, if memory serves, that is exactly how the Steelers won every playoff game up to the SB. But, it took the coaches a year to get to that point of trusting Ben. I think that year really helped Ben as it wasn't all on him. That is exactly what I'd like to see with a young new QB as well. If we don't we're likely to see another 1980s-90s era or even worse, cycle through QBs like the Browns.
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Starting with the first series he played against the Ravens
Run, run, run, run, run.
pass, pass (INT).
Run, pass, run, run, pass.
4th quarter, Ben starts passing as they are losing. Up to then, it is 8 runs, 4 passes.
Next game Dolphins (Hurricane Game - Expect a little run heavy here).
Pass INT
run, run, pass, pass, run, run, pass
run, run, run, pass
run, pass, pass, run run pass
run, run, run, run, run, run, run,
run, run, pass
run, run, pass
2 minute drill 2nd quarter - pass, run, pass, pass,
run, run, run, pass
run, pass, pass, run, pass.
run, run, run,
pass, run, pass, pass, run run pass, pass. (Steelers go up 13-3).
Fourth quarter.
all runs. expected, again, hurricane game and lead in fourth quarter.
33 runs listed, 21 passes (not counting fourth quarter when Steelers are up.
Game against Bungles
Run, run, pass, pass
Run (fumble)
run, pass, run, run, run.
Run, pass, pass, run run, pass, pass, pass run, run, pass.
run, run, pass
pass, run, pass, pass, pass.
2 minute drill: run, run, pass, run, five passes.
3rd quarter
run, pass, run,
run, run, pass
run, pass, pass, pass, run, run, run, pass, run, run, run, pass, run, run, (TD, Pittsburgh goes on top).
Run, pass, run, run, run, run, run, pass.
2 kneel downs
37 runs 29 passes (and steelers were down in the third quarter).
Game against the Browns
Run, pass run
run, pass, INT
Run, run, run, pass, run, pass Steelers go into lead.
run, run, pass
pass, run, run, pass, pass, pass, pass
2nd Q. 2 minute drill: Run, run, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass.
run, run, run, passw, run, run, run, pass
run, run, run, run, pass.
All runs almost in fourth quarter, but steelers have 11 point lead.
23 runs, 21 passes (8 in 2 minute drill).
Dallas
pass, run, run, pass, pass, run, pass.
run, pass, run, pass, run, pass, pass, run, pass
run, run, pass, run, run, pass.
4 minute drill: pass, run, sack (pass) pass pass.
Run, run, pass, run, run, run,
pass, run, run, pass
Steelers now down by 10 points. Run, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, run, run, pass.
Steelers now down by 3. run, run, run, run, pass, pass.
pass, pass, run, run, run, Steelers go up by 4, don't see ball again. End of game (they won, of course).
29 runs, 30 passes (steelers come from behind in third quarter).
New England
Run, pass, pass,
run, pass, pass
run, run,
pass, pass, pass, run, pass
run, run, run, run, pass.
2nd quarter, steelers up 21-3. run, run, pass, run, run, pass
run, run, pass, run, run, pass.
run, pass, run, run, pass, pass, run, pass, pass
2 minute drill: pass, pass, run, pass, run. pass.
3rd quarter. Pass, pass, pass, run.
Almost all runs as steels are up from this point on.
24 runs 25 passes 4 in two minute drill
Eagles
Pass, run, run, pass, run, run, run, run, pass, pass, run
pass, run, run, pass, run, run, pass, run pass
pass, run, pass, run, run, run, run, pass, pass. run. pass
run, run, pass, run, pass,
2 minute drill (steelers up 21-3 run, run,
3rd quarter, predominantly run.
23 runs, 15 passes.
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Good analysis, but I was not really talking about the run pass ratio, but rather when it was a pass play, the steelers were not conservative
I mean, Ben had 8.9 yards per attempt in each of his first two seasons (only Peyton Manning was ahead of Ben in 2004, Ben was the NFL leader in 2005 in that category) and Ben also had 13.4 yards per completion in 2004 and over 14 yards by completion in 2005
When it was passing play, Ben could be very aggressive
True that 2005, the steelers had more passing play, especially in the playoffs but Ben was not handcuffed in 2004
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If Ben had played Trubisky's games with the Chicago offense Tribusky would he have done any better?
"With love, with patience, and with Faith
....She'll make her way" ~ Natalie Merchant
What version of Ben?...In his prime,he would been much better of course
This is sure that Chicago have never been a good situation for a QB but Trubisky was still one of the problem.
It's now very rare that we see a QB was bad and after he changes team or head coach and becomes much better
Foles and Jared Goff had their moment after they were awful under Jeff Fisher but after that they were terrible once again
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Tommy Maddox had a success pre-Ben here. I could see a Trubisky success in the same vein, then Pickett simply takes over. What was old is new once again.
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I wonder how much of that was Ben adlibbing. I mean, I can just see him in the huddle going, "Okay, we should, we should... screw it. Go long!"
That said, if what you're meaning is allowing a QB to throw the passes he's comfortable throwing rather than scheming for two yard passes like we saw a couple of years ago, then yeah, I'm with you on that.
Ouch,this is ugly.Ben was not the only problem last year!
Crossing routes but nothing in the middle of the field…say 10-15 yards or were they deeper crossers?
Good question,I don't remember but I think it was for 15-20 yards
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And Claypool was in the slot at lot today even without Diontae....
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