Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
Enthroned Into The Good Old Boys Club - 2024
So much for roster turnover.
Can’t wait to run it back with the same flawed guys as last time.
Good thing Trubisky is mobile.
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Kind of steep!!
Just so we’re all on the same page, that’s comfortably within the top 10 in average annual value for all RTs. And top 12-15 for overall tackle money.
Did I watch the wrong team play last year?
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it might get called back Chuks likely will get flagged for holding
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
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Does this tell us anything about Banner? Banner apparently won the starting job in TC over Chuks. But that is one big man trying to come back from ACL repair. I wonder if this speaks to his rehab at all.
I have no idea what this team is doing with these moves right now. I expected them to go out and sign better players. We are picking up scraps
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it might get called back Chuks likely will get flagged for holding
Maybe Chuks is as good as the other $10-11 million a year RTs on this list: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contract...kle/limit-100/
Or maybe…we had to pay him a premium to stay, I mean we had to give our new FA QB the best chance to succeed, right? If all the other pieces are in place, Colbert’s last roster can make a run, right? No rebuilding just reloading!
This is how a team ends up without a QB, without cap space, and stuck on 7-9 wins.
No one individual step is all that bad or unreasonable but when you start stacking them together, it gets dumb quickly.
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I would say Chuks is every bit as good as Bryan Bulaga and La'el Collins.
In this ranking top 32 OTs headed into last season Collins was 25th and Bulaga wasn't even on the list. I'm ok ranking Chuks in line with those 2 guys.
...https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensi...021-nfl-season
I don’t really watch enough RT play to know BUT top 10 contract $$$ for Chuks?
That seems not right?
But maybe there’s a lot of not very good RTs out there?
I’ve got no real barometer.
Banner should be let go. He hasn't played more than a single game in the last 2 years. A whole lot of hype for a whole lot of nothin
PFF had a 63.6 grade on the season for chuks. i dont put much stock in their grading system but earning below a 70 is just bad. he was tied for 2nd most penalties with 11 .
started half a game in 2020 week 1 .... played maybe 20 snaps in 2021 .... hard pass
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
$10M per season for Chuks is way more than I would have expected the Steelers or any other team to offer him for that matter. He just seems like a mediocre to below average RT to me, but maybe he is better than I think. $10M of cap space just sounds like a really high number for a player with his pedigree.
It does appear Colbert is trying to go into this draft with options to take whomever they think is the best player on the board, regardless of position (although I am sure there will be no RB or TE drafted by the team in the first couple rounds.....all other positions are on the table I believe).
https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1503534952503287808
Only $4.34mm cap hit this year. The actual money is a little frontloaded but the cap hit is backloaded. This isn't bad at all. He'll either earn it this year, or be cut/traded next offseason with a not too bad dead cap hit (especially considering Ben's cap hit will be off the books and the salary cap is expected to go up a fair bit in 2023).
So I wasn't initially pleased but after seeing the actual contract details, this is fine.
I’m going to post this on every thread (until it sinks in):
Colbert does NOT go into drafts with glaring holes. This move (insert free agent here) simply fills a hole… that way at 20, the Steelers can pick ANY player/position.
SUMMATION:
Drafting Penning is still an option.
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Agree. Colbert's been doing it for years. Not surprised w/these types of signings so far.
Just checking in to see if the guy the Steelers signed sucks. Good to see all is right in the world.
Sure and i suspect that no one has an issue with that approach to the off-season.
What, at least for me, is the thing is that Chuks got PAID. I guess the structure of the deal is basically not terrible for the Steelers but it just seems like a lot of coin to shovel at this dude.
Few on this board seem to even want Chuks on the roster, much less starting. In contrast, the Steelers made him a priority resigning and appear pumped about paying him near the top tier of RTs in the entire league. That just feels like a big disconnect...
Chukks is 24. There are players in this draft that are older than him.
His problem was false starts. I blame that on Green snapping the ball on 3, when everyone else was going on 2.
If they cut him, he costs $4.5 million against the cap (with $5 million more in signing bonus that can be spread out over two seasons).
SUMMATION:
The epitome of a “prove it” deal… for a very-young, raw player.
Not quite that great, I believe.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsbur...korafor-25191/
If that’s correct he has dead cap money of over $9 million this season and $6 million next season.
Still can be cut, but that’s actual money.
Paid decent money for a pass blocking OT on a running team. Seems bass ackwards to me.
The capologists are all saying $4.5 and another $5 million if cut before next season… and I believe that that says essentially the same ting: $4.33 and a total of $9.25.
Not really. The ENTIRE signing bonus accelerates onto the cap when you cut a player.
So in 2022, it is the whole enchilada.
In 2023, it is the remaining 2/3 of the enchilada. And etc.
He is on the roster almost no matter what in 2022. And is a borderline bad cut next season as well.
The way that I saw it broken down, the $9 million signing bonus was essentially the salary for this year…
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Fire everyone and scream about going 0-17. Hippo fart dance!
This year he's being paid essentially the vet minimum with the rest in signing bonus.
If he's cut next offseason he's almost $6.2mm in dead cap, but,three years, $29.25M deal, $9.25M signing bonus, salaries $1.25M, $6M, $4.75M; $4M roster bonus 5th day of 2023, $4M 5th day 2024
1. Not all at once. $3.1mm in 2023 and $3.1mm in 2024
2. Ben and Juju's dead cap will be off the books
3. The cap will be going way up next offseason
4. If we do upgrade, he'll have decent trade value to a Tackle-needy team since his base salary will only be $6mm next year and the Steelers will eat the rest (I don't imagine they'll be able to trade him before the roster bonus dings).
Sure for cash flow to the player. But that’s not how it works for cap accounting math.
The “cost” of this move is that they’re not drafting a tackle in the top few rounds AND paying Chuks this much. That’s never been their method of operating.
The contract they gave the G/C is more what they do when they might draft a guy.
OT in the opening rounds is likely off the board until next year.
if what steelerette is saying is correct on the breakdown this means we could cut Banner and it pays for 1 year of Chuks salary .....
that means he could be relegated to 1st man off the bench as a backup swing tackle and be a bargain and could be cut in 2023 without much repercussions ....
thus OT could still be on the table in free agency and or early portion of the draft
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be possible to account for Chuks contract that way. I mean, yes, the pre 6/1 and post 6/1 release designations allow for teams to avoid the bonus $$$ acceleration and keep the dead money spread out. BUT...it appears the Steelers made a concession to Chuks with the roster bonus. The $4 million roster bonus is due the start of the league year. So they would need to pay him $4 million in March to cut him in June in order to spread his bonus out over 2 years. To my reading, the roster bonus structure means each March they are deciding whether to keep or cut Chuks. Making him a pre 6/1 cut which then means the Steelers would be on the hook for the dead cap charge all in one fiscal year. However...it seems there is some goofy process in the CBA where a team can cut a guy before June but just tell the league they are going to account for it like a post June release to avoid the bonus acceleration?
Overall, it strikes me as a weird deal and one that indicates the Steelers have an odd amount of faith in the development and ascension of Chuks.
perhaps they will switch chuks and moore. i remember how bad max starks was a RT and how much better he was on the left.
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