Zappe 69.3%
Strong 68.1%
Howell 62.5%
Pickett 62.4%
Ridder 62.1%
Willis 61.1%
https://steelersdepot.com/2022/02/ac...-colbert-says/
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Zappe 69.3%
Strong 68.1%
Howell 62.5%
Pickett 62.4%
Ridder 62.1%
Willis 61.1%
https://steelersdepot.com/2022/02/ac...-colbert-says/
couple that accuracy that Colbert is coveting with the Mobility that Tomlin is coveting .... and the top ranked guy with those 2 skills combined just so happens to be a kid Colbert personally went to see twice ... I won't speak his name many are tired of hearing me say it ....Originally Posted by Shoes
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
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This is true. He got to see Pickett at home games for 4 seasons. He made a couple trips to see Howell in person last season.(was it only last season?) And Corral is not on the list but comes in at 67% with good mobility as well. Who will they draft?
So is "completion percentage" really a true indicator of "accuracy"?
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It is 1 indicator, yes.
In my layman's observation, I'd say no.
It doesn't take I to count the competition level, were these one read and go offenses or is this a QB that makes a read and still completes the right guy ?
Lotta gray area
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True. It also doesnt take into account if the QB threw a lollipop pass to a WR that is open by 5 yards and he had to come back for it. It doesnt take into account if one or more of the QB's targets has a 10% drop rate and like you say it doesnt take into account the offensive scheme getting players open or the level of competition.
I recall one of the knocks on Paxton Lynch was accuracy and throwing a loose spiral, but some of those were hid in college, because his receivers had time to adjust their routes to still make the catch, as they were open by a few yards. The thought by one pundit that I cant recall was something like "guys arent running free and open by 5 yards in the secondary in the NFL, so he will have to be better at the next level".
Malik Willis is lowest on completion percentage stats, but he also had some guys running free that he made easy completions to. I think Pickett, Howell and Corral show the best ability to throw footballs into tighter windows, with Howell having the best arm strength of those 3 and Pickett the best decision making. Corral looks like a guy perfect for a west coast scheme based on short to intermediate passing, but can drive it down the seam with accuracy as well.
taking into account the WR's ability to get open ... if you have a couple guys as main targets that struggle to get open there will be a lot of throw away balls and balls that are destined to be knocked away/down by the defender .. it doesnt take a lot of those two things to happen to make a 65% completion guy a 59-60% completion guy
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One of Bill Parcells' 7 traits for drafting a QB is a 60%+ completion rate. So it definitely means something in the big picture. Of course, so is graduating with a finished degree, so obviously some of his philosophy is off the field as well.
Look up Jeff Hostetler completion percentage in college and then remember that he was selected by Parcells and the Giants in the 1984 draft, while leading them to a SB win in '91.
Maybe somebody was a ghostwriter of the Parcells "7 traits for drafting a QB"? Because he got a ring with a guy that never completed more than 57% in college according to his stats.
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So?
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...parcells-rules
So you like to use a baseline of 60% completion rate as one of 7 traits for drafting a QB and hang the name of Bill Parcells to it, in order to give credence to the notion.
But you ignore the fact that its a hypocritical baseline, because Parcells himself drafted Hostetler after having a 57% completion rate his final season in college and his previous years were even worst than that. Phil Simms completion rate at Moorhead State is even worse. So the 2 Super Bowl winning QB's that Parcells had, never cracked a 58% completion percentage.
Its like Mark Cuban having rules to investing that say to never invest in technology companies. Rather laughable.
There have been studies or whatever and the single largest predictor of QB success (I know for the first round guys not sure after that) from college to the pros has historically been completion percentage.
https://www.theringer.com/2020/4/17/...ack-evaluation
And the "original" here: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...cing-qbase-v20
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Completion % is part of the evaluation and it is a part of accuracy. Parcells(HoF Head Coach) puts it as part of the process. Did someone say 'the end all, be all'? I missed that part.
I mean, the entire internet accepts these as belonging to Parcells...so take it up with them?
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles...parcells-rules
https://www.ganggreennation.com/2016...g-quarterbacks
http://smartfootball.com/quarterback....N19doaJb.dpbs - seems to be the earliest post and has only 4 instead of 7.
So...here is the interesting thing...did Parcells ever say or create these criteria or is it some apocryphal listing attributed to him because it sounds good?
who knows , I mean the draft chart for trading is supposedly all attributed to 1 trade made by Jimmy Johnson so there is that
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Yeah. It is likely that Parcells never said it or never wrote it all out BUT people attribute it to him because it sounds like him and he was a highly regarded coach and talent evaluator.
Although...I honestly don't remember, but was he any good at QBs? I don't seem to remember that being his thing...
Hoss , Simms , Bledsoe (twice ) and the onset of Romo if memory serves ( I might be missing someone )
Kenny Pickett is who I though he was .. Eagles didn't value him either , now he is a Stain at the Mistake by the Lake 3 teams in 4 years more of a shooting star than a superstar
Wasnt Simms there when Parcells arrived? I was gonna say Dave Brown, but I think they drafted him the year after Parcells retired for the first time.
yeah he inherited Simms , simms drafted in 79 and Parcells took the reigns in 83
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Outside of James Farrior , picks parcels made with the Jets while he was running the whole show are already forgettable and do not include a QB.
What is his resume for evaluating QB talent?
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So even if Parcells did write out some rules for drafting QBs....might not be something to really follow? Doesn't look like he has much of track record himself.
However...the rules do appear to have a high correlation with traits of successful NFL Qbs.
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Any backup named Jeff (Hostetler, Rutledge)
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I think the whole point was should completion % be used to measure accuracy. I was pointing out it is used, and has been used as a measurement for QB accuracy. I guess there could be discussion if a QB threw an accurate pass and the WR simply ran the wrong route? OR how many time there was a drop, or a throw away pass, or a tipped pass that ended up as an INT. BUT...what they use instead is a formula of completed passes to attempted passes. Therefore, the answer to the question is 'yes'.
what about watching some film or game footage of a player to judge if he is accurate or not?
Cant you see if he puts the ball into tight windows, good ball placement, or if his pass was on target, but the WR dropped it, or cut his route short, or rounded the route instead of running it tight in and out of the break, etc?
Maybe some people cant see that with their own eyes, so have to rely on comp%, which can be skewed by many factors?
If you are a paid talent evaluator for the NFL or a content producer, then absolutely. I already have a couple of paid jobs and other responsibilities. Not sure when I am gonna grind and watch game film of QB prospects and available FA's.
Also...it isn't like scouts have an excellent track record of projecting players to the next level. And when they are wrong...all you hear is "it is really hard" and "there aren't enough tools and data". So people have attempted to provide more tools and data...and then "football knowers" just piss and moan about spreadsheets and how only the tape will truly tell.
I don't think anyone is trying to replace watching dudes actually play football and making an evaluation. That would be just silly. But adding other tools to that mix? Absolutely. For instance, what defines a "tight window"? Is every person on this board using the same definition? What about other boards? It is pretty easy to see that some of this stuff gets real idiosyncratic real quick. Augmenting that with some metrics can be a nice way to smooth some of that evaluator to evaluator variability out.
And again...no one has ever said to just plug #'s into a spreadsheet or a model and stop there. And the last however many years of NFL draft history has demonstrated that just watching tape and picking guys isn't enough either.
You talking about Willis?
Yes but have to be able to threaten deep also. Duck was accurate but couldn't throw it further than 10 yards
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What you talking bout, Willis?You talking about Willis?
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I think players should just be drafted by using the Street & Smith Draft Guide magazine. Watching film, interviews, workouts, etc. are all just wasted time.
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