The (Un)Greatness of Belichick

[fansince'76]

I'm sure much of that record came when he was coaching the Browns. He won 10 games with Matt Cassel as his qb when Brady was hurt.

The Patriots also benefited from YEARS of cupcake schedules. The rest of the AFC East was so bad for so long (and the Jets and Dolphins largely STILL are) that the Patriots practically began most seasons at 6-0 by default.

Belichick is one of the all-time great HCs, but I still wouldn't put him above Lombardi or Walsh.

But Noll is considered as one of the greats, when Bradshaw retired his record under .500 without him. When your HOF QB retires pretty rare to have same expectations the following years IMO. Steve Young and Rodgers were an aberration. I’m not a Belichick fan at all but still consider him best coach over last 20 years.

The Steel Curtain defense basically got old all at once. As a result, the Steelers started going downhill a good 2+ years before Bradshaw ever retired. It also didn't help that the draft magic was no longer there - check out some of the Steelers' drafts from the '80s and be prepared to cringe. Hell, Dan wound up firing his own brother it got so bad:

The quality of the Steelers drafting took a nose dive in the latter half of the 1970’s and Pittsburgh’s drafting didn’t get any better as the Steelers drafting position dropped as trips to the playoffs became rare in the 80s. There are a lot of reasons for this, and it would be horrendously unfair to scapegoat Art Rooney Jr. for the decline.


But it is also clear that by the mid-1980’s Chuck Noll and Art Rooney Jr. could no longer effectively function as a team.

10 Critical Dan Rooney Decisions that Shaped the Pittsburgh Steelers (steelcurtainrising.com)

[polamalubeast]

Brady early in his career was not what he becomes later even if he was still a very good QB in his career,so Belichick deserves a good part of credit for the first 5 years or so

[polamalubeast]

The Steel Curtain defense basically got old all at once. As a result, the Steelers started going downhill a good 2+ years before Bradshaw ever retired. It also didn't help that the draft magic was no longer there - check out some of the Steelers' drafts from the '80s and be prepared to cringe. Hell, Dan wound up firing his own brother it got so bad:



10 Critical Dan Rooney Decisions that Shaped the Pittsburgh Steelers (steelcurtainrising.com)

Very good to know, thank!

And the draft of the steelers started to get a lot better from 1987 onwards, one of the reasons why the steelers were a really good team in the 1990s.

[fansince'76]

Very good to know, thank!

And the draft of the steelers started to get a lot better from 1987 onwards, one of the reasons why the steelers were a really good team in the 1990s.

I'm also sure it was awkward in 2008 when Dan had to ask Art Jr. to sell his shares in the team to him when the Steelers were forced to restructure team ownership because Dan's siblings own racetracks.

(Fast forward to 2022 where the league now has a team in Las Vegas and every other commercial during games is pimping one sports betting app or another. )

[T&B fan]

Having Brady as your qb makes the job a lot easier

cheating really makes the job a lot easier

[NCSteeler]

I'm also sure it was awkward in 2008 when Dan had to ask Art Jr. to sell his shares in the team to him when the Steelers were forced to restructure team ownership because Dan's siblings own racetracks.

(Fast forward to 2022 where the league now has a team in Las Vegas and every other commercial during games is pimping one sports betting app or another. )

Everytime i see the ceasar sports book commercial i think of the Rooneys

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[fansince'76]

Everytime i see the ceasar sports book commercial i think of the Rooneys

Those "Caesar" commercials make me wanna gouge my eyes out with a spork...

[DesertSteel]

Those "Caesar" commercials make me wanna gouge my eyes out with a spork...

You don't like Halle Berry??

[fansince'76]

You don't like Halle Berry??

No problem with her at all.

It's the clown who plays "Caesar" in those commercials who I can't stand.

[DesertSteel]

No problem with her at all.

It's the clown who plays "Caesar" in those commercials who I can't stand.

I never notice the guy

[DesertSteel]

Bill is trying to prove again that he plays chess while everyone else plays checkers by not having O and D Coordinators. I predict a losing season for him. His only genius came in the 6th round many years ago and that's over. And even that required cheating. Bill is a loser without Brady and he's making a bold move to get back into the spotlight. Me thinks it fails... miserably.

[Born2Steel]

There are good coaches and there are great coaches. Those guys do exist. Football is not a difficult game to learn or teach. What separates the upper echelon coaches differs from one fan to the next, one player to the next, even from one season to the next. It resembles porn, you just know it when you see it.

[DesertSteel]

There are good coaches and there are great coaches. Those guys do exist. Football is not a difficult game to learn or teach. What separates the upper echelon coaches differs from one fan to the next, one player to the next, even from one season to the next. It resembles porn, you just know it when you see it.

At the NFL level, what separates a good coach from a great coach is a great quarterback.

[willy]

I think Bill's taking PEDs and Brady is filming the opposing sideline.

[polamalubeast]

The Pats won several playoff games when Brady had an average game because the defense was able to step up big time

In the first 3 super bowls between 2001 to 2004, Belichick deserves the most credit since their defense was their strong point...I mean, in 2001, Brady only had 3 TD passes in his last 8 games and the pats won all his games...So Brady was still not Brady at this time...Brady deserves a lot of credit for his super bowl against the panthers too in 2003

For the 3 super bowls between 2014 to 2018, I give a lot more credit to Brady, no doubt about that. But the pats won a super bowl 13-3 too

No doubt the position of QB is more important than a head coach, but that doesn't mean that Belichick wasn't crucial to the success of the pats... Just asking to the great Peyton Manning in the early 2000s how hard it was to play against Belichick's defense....

[86WARD]

The Pats won several playoff games when Brady had an average game because the defense was able to step up big time

In the first 3 super bowls between 2001 to 2004, Belichick deserves the most credit since their defense was their strong point...I mean, in 2001, Brady only had 3 TD passes in his last 8 games and the pats won all his games...So Brady was still not Brady at this time...Brady deserves a lot of credit for his super bowl against the panthers too in 2003

For the 3 super bowls between 2014 to 2018, I give a lot more credit to Brady, no doubt about that. But the pats won a super bowl 13-3 too

No doubt the position of QB is more important than a head coach, but that doesn't mean that Belichick wasn't crucial to the success of the pats... Just asking to the great Peyton Manning in the early 2000s how hard it was to play against Belichick's defense....

To your point, Peyton was a great QB, perhaps the best ever; he had a nice offense around him and a pretty good head coach. Defense was lousy…

[DesertSteel]

The Pats won several playoff games when Brady had an average game because the defense was able to step up big time

That's kind of the same rationale people used against Ben with the Super Bowl in 2005. He had a bad game and gets discredited for it. Nevermind that he carried them on his back for three games to get them to the Super Bowl. That FACT remains that Belichick is a losing coach without Brady. And it's not a small sample size.

[willy]

Belichick and Lombardi are the GOATS. Which one is first is debatable and really a personal choice.

[DesertSteel]

Noll > Belichick

[86WARD]

Noll > Belichick

[ALLD]

When the NFL institutes a Belichek award for something like personnel who shot best video of other team's practices or most creative listening device hidden inside a locker room, then you can label him GOAT.

[polamalubeast]

[cubanstogie]

That was epic, I thought BB was gonna head straight to locker room. Actually hugged Josh. Loved that it was Ex Pat to get TD.

[willy]

Steelers 6-8. Epic? No, par for the course.

[cubanstogie]

Steelers 6-8. Epic? No, par for the course.

It’s also epic you’ll be dead before Pats win a playoff game. Possibly make playoffs. LMFAO!

[Hawkman]

That was hysterical! Do you think they ran that in practice.

[86WARD]

Immaculate interception…

[polamalubeast]

I think that Matt Canada is a all-time bad OC but we can said the same about Patricia...This is as if Keith Butler would be the OC for the steelers next season!

[DesertSteel]

Steelers 6-8. Epic? No, par for the course.

Lololol @ you

[willy]

Steelers 6 and 8. Now that's some good coaching.