If we do draft a QB...

[teegre]

I dunno rumors of gay midget porn found on Howells laptop ... teams should shy away NOW ...







this is

This reminds me of the when we got "Pete Prisco horse f*cker" trending.

[Fire Goodell]

This reminds me of the when we got "Pete Prisco horse f*cker" trending.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Rudolph is fine, but that's all he is. His ceiling at best is Neil O'Donnell.

O'Donnell played in a Super Bowl. That is giving too much credit.

Mason Rudolph's ceiling is Kent Graham. Lets not fool ourselves.

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His negatives are coachable. The throws he is capable of making are not. Imo, he's the best QB prospect in the draft. He may need time to develop, but he has elite skills.

For sure, he is fantastic. I hope that he so so great that Denver, Carolina or Philly take him, so the Steelers dont have a chance to. Kind of how the Browns picked Mayfield, so he didnt have a chance to drop to the Steelers.

[hawaiiansteeler]

This reminds me of the when we got "Pete Prisco horse f*cker" trending.

the good old days

[RunNGun]

O'Donnell played in a Super Bowl. That is giving too much credit.

Mason Rudolph's ceiling is Kent Graham. Lets not fool ourselves.

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For sure, he is fantastic. I hope that he so so great that Denver, Carolina or Philly take him, so the Steelers dont have a chance to. Kind of how the Browns picked Mayfield, so he didnt have a chance to drop to the Steelers.

Good talk. Glad you could elaborate. I'll just take your opinion fwiw.

[86WARD]

I’d be disappointed if they drafted Willis.

[RunNGun]

Why is everyone against Willis? He is undeniably the most talented QB in the draft. He can make throws that only a handful of QBs in the league right now can make. I get that he has his issues with accuracy and decision making, and he is probably a high risk- high reward prospect, but that could be said about every QB in this draft, especially taking them at #20. There is no safe option, so I guess if I were running things I'd try to get the guy that has, imo, the highest ceiling.

[86WARD]

He reminds me too much of the Vick type QB. If it were second round, maybe buy I wouldn’t want him in the first round. I don’t like any of these QBs to put that in perspective…so I could just be way off base altogether.

[Mojouw]

Why is everyone against Willis? He is undeniably the most talented QB in the draft. He can make throws that only a handful of QBs in the league right now can make. I get that he has his issues with accuracy and decision making, and he is probably a high risk- high reward prospect, but that could be said about every QB in this draft, especially taking them at #20. There is no safe option, so I guess if I were running things I'd try to get the guy that has, imo, the highest ceiling.

From what I have heard, he may be a RB that can throw some awesome passes. But he may NOT be able to process what he sees and make throws with anticipation at the NFL level. Which, I think, has many people figuring Willis looks alot like Hurts did against the Bucs this past weekend.

Others see him very differently, much as you do. For me....I have no idea because I've only seen highlight reels.

More information and breakdowns will come out post SB and then it will be far easier for lazy fake draft knowers like me to have a take!

[DesertSteel]

Why is everyone against Willis? He is undeniably the most talented QB in the draft. He can make throws that only a handful of QBs in the league right now can make. I get that he has his issues with accuracy and decision making, and he is probably a high risk- high reward prospect, but that could be said about every QB in this draft, especially taking them at #20. There is no safe option, so I guess if I were running things I'd try to get the guy that has, imo, the highest ceiling.

You answer your own question. If he struggles with G5 competition, it's not likely to get better in the NFL.

[Dwinsgames]

From what I have heard, he may be a RB that can throw some awesome passes. But he may NOT be able to process what he sees and make throws with anticipation at the NFL level. Which, I think, has many people figuring Willis looks alot like Hurts did against the Bucs this past weekend.

Others see him very differently, much as you do. For me....I have no idea because I've only seen highlight reels.

More information and breakdowns will come out post SB and then it will be far easier for lazy fake draft knowers like me to have a take!

looks for the full abbreviated games on youtube ...can see every snap of specific player in the game without watching entire game ... can get in 3 full games in under an hour example here Willis vs Ole Miss 2021

he is overwhelmed by the step up in competition , that said the entire team was so he had little help ... I walked away very unimpressed with the exception of a few throws that were more like jump balls than anything tho

poor mans Lamar Jackson

[RunNGun]

From what I have heard, he may be a RB that can throw some awesome passes. But he may NOT be able to process what he sees and make throws with anticipation at the NFL level. Which, I think, has many people figuring Willis looks alot like Hurts did against the Bucs this past weekend.

Others see him very differently, much as you do. For me....I have no idea because I've only seen highlight reels.

More information and breakdowns will come out post SB and then it will be far easier for lazy fake draft knowers like me to have a take!

Admittedly, I haven't watched the negative side of his game just yet, but the throws he can make downfield and are a thing of beauty. I will watch some more on him when I get a chance.

I wouldn't say he struggled against his competition. He didn't put up godly numbers, but he was always the best player on the field. It's just difficult to judge a player coming out of a small school. I'm anxious to see what he can do in the senior bowl.

[DesertSteel]

I can see the Steelers drafting Malik Cunningham in the 4th round to give them the mobile QB to develop.

[Born2Steel]

looks for the full abbreviated games on youtube ...can see every snap of specific player in the game without watching entire game ... can get in 3 full games in under an hour example here Willis vs Ole Miss 2021

he is overwhelmed by the step up in competition , that said the entire team was so he had little help ... I walked away very unimpressed with the exception of a few throws that were more like jump balls than anything tho

poor mans Lamar Jackson

Honestly, I started watching #7 for Ole Miss's defense.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Why is everyone against Willis? He is undeniably the most talented QB in the draft. He can make throws that only a handful of QBs in the league right now can make. I get that he has his issues with accuracy and decision making, and he is probably a high risk- high reward prospect, but that could be said about every QB in this draft, especially taking them at #20. There is no safe option, so I guess if I were running things I'd try to get the guy that has, imo, the highest ceiling.

Have you actually watched a Liberty game that Willis played in or are you just looking up highlight videos and reading stuff on the internet??

Have you decided that Willis has "the highest ceiling" of any QB in the draft, or are you again just taking the opinion of others from the internet?

[steelreserve]

"Amazing raw talent, needs coaching up to develop at the NFL level."

How many times have I heard that before, and how does that usually work out for us? No thanks.

[Dwinsgames]

Why is everyone against Willis? He is undeniably the most talented QB in the draft. He can make throws that only a handful of QBs in the league right now can make. I get that he has his issues with accuracy and decision making, and he is probably a high risk- high reward prospect, but that could be said about every QB in this draft, especially taking them at #20. There is no safe option, so I guess if I were running things I'd try to get the guy that has, imo, the highest ceiling.

how do you make those claims when you say in another post you havent watched him play just cut ups / highlights ....

thats when I have a hard time taking someones opinion seriously

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Admittedly, I haven't watched the negative side of his game just yet, but the throws he can make downfield and are a thing of beauty. I will watch some more on him when I get a chance.

I wouldn't say he struggled against his competition. He didn't put up godly numbers, but he was always the best player on the field. It's just difficult to judge a player coming out of a small school. I'm anxious to see what he can do in the senior bowl.

how do you claim always the best player on the field when you havent watched his games ????
..... how would you know if he struggled or not ? how do you form an opinion without watching ???

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

looks for the full abbreviated games on youtube ...can see every snap of specific player in the game without watching entire game ... can get in 3 full games in under an hour example here Willis vs Ole Miss 2021

he is overwhelmed by the step up in competition , that said the entire team was so he had little help ... I walked away very unimpressed with the exception of a few throws that were more like jump balls than anything tho

poor mans Lamar Jackson

Yup, this is how you have to evaluate a player. Game film and not just hilights.

The Liberty O line isnt great in pass protection, but Willis isnt good in blitz recognition or getting thru his reads quickly from what I can see and that is why he got sacked 50 times last season. Opposing defenses just gonna load up the blitz on him and not get beat by him.

Can watch the Eastern Michigan Bowl game too. He makes some good throws, but also just misses some wide open receivers and by that I mean guys open by 3 to 5 yards. So I see a guy with a strong arm, strong build that isnt easily tackled, but took 50 sacks because he doesnt make good decisions, but when he gets time and space he can make some good throws, but miss some open receivers terribly.

Senior Bowl week will root out if its the Hugh Freeze system, lack of good QB coaching or just a lot of deficiencies. I mean, if he isnt electrifying or dominating Eastern Michigan in a bowl game, he doesnt thrill me as much as the hype train is pushing, but that is just my eye test.

[Fire Goodell]

Yup, this is how you have to evaluate a player. Game film and not just hilights.

The Liberty O line isnt great in pass protection, but Willis isnt good in blitz recognition or getting thru his reads quickly from what I can see and that is why he got sacked 50 times last season. Opposing defenses just gonna load up the blitz on him and not get beat by him.

Can watch the Eastern Michigan Bowl game too. He makes some good throws, but also just misses some wide open receivers and by that I mean guys open by 3 to 5 yards. So I see a guy with a strong arm, strong build that isnt easily tackled, but took 50 sacks because he doesnt make good decisions, but when he gets time and space he can make some good throws, but miss some open receivers terribly.

Senior Bowl week will root out if its the Hugh Freeze system, lack of good QB coaching or just a lot of deficiencies. I mean, if he isnt electrifying or dominating Eastern Michigan in a bowl game, he doesnt thrill me as much as the hype train is pushing, but that is just my eye test.

Sounds like Tim Tebow. Pass

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Sounds like Tim Tebow. Pass

Good comparison.

I think Willis throws a nicer football, but Tebow may have been better at defensive recognition and reads. Willis has this kind of habit of following thru his passes and drifting off to the left after he throws. That may be a mechanical thing that causes the inconsistency. We can see how things pan out in the Senior Bowl, Combine, private workout, etc. But I am not a big fan of his game tape.

Here is the Lending Tree bowl. its not abbreviated.

[RunNGun]

how do you make those claims when you say in another post you havent watched him play just cut ups / highlights ....

thats when I have a hard time taking someones opinion seriously

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how do you claim always the best player on the field when you havent watched his games ????
..... how would you know if he struggled or not ? how do you form an opinion without watching ???

I form my opinion on what I've read about Willis and what I've watched, like most people. Mind blowing, right? He had some off games, but like I mentioned before, it's tough to judge a player coming from a small school, especially a QB. Was his oline performing? Were the skill players outmatched? The senior bowl should be a better indicator when he is surrounded by better athletes. I am going to do a little more research on him, but the throws he is capable of making are absolutely enough to call him an elite talent.

Now the cons? Are they coachable? From what I've read it seems they very well could be. Decision making and going through progressions, accuracy...Those are all traits that can be improved. What can't be taught is athleticism, arm strength(to an extent), and the ability to improvise. I've read that he's very coachable and eager to learn.

I hope this has better explained why I'm all about Malik Willis at this point. Next year I will wait for you to pick your guy before I give my opinion, so you don't get so offended.

[RunNGun]

Have you actually watched a Liberty game that Willis played in or are you just looking up highlight videos and reading stuff on the internet??

Have you decided that Willis has "the highest ceiling" of any QB in the draft, or are you again just taking the opinion of others from the internet?

The throws he made are the type that "wow". That's why he's been getting 1st round grades from nearly every "expert." Take that for what it's worth. He makes throws that no other QB in college football can make and only a few in the NFL can make. He's mobile, he can improvise. He has his flaws, but they are coachable. This is my opinion. I'm sure yours is superior though. No one knows football like El-Gonzo Jackson.

[Dwinsgames]

I form my opinion on what I've read about Willis and what I've watched, like most people. Mind blowing, right? He had some off games, but like I mentioned before, it's tough to judge a player coming from a small school, especially a QB. Was his oline performing? Were the skill players outmatched? The senior bowl should be a better indicator when he is surrounded by better athletes. I am going to do a little more research on him, but the throws he is capable of making are absolutely enough to call him an elite talent.

Now the cons? Are they coachable? From what I've read it seems they very well could be. Decision making and going through progressions, accuracy...Those are all traits that can be improved. What can't be taught is athleticism, arm strength(to an extent), and the ability to improvise. I've read that he's very coachable and eager to learn.

I hope this has better explained why I'm all about Malik Willis at this point. Next year I will wait for you to pick your guy before I give my opinion, so you don't get so offended.

I never understood how someone forms an opinion based on someone elses opinion ... maybe that is just me idk

never understood watching highlights and forming an opinion , highlights only show good plays ...everyone has a nice highlight film

im not offended im baffled at how an opinion can be formed without watching game tape especially such strong opinions ... I picked my guy months ago

[RunNGun]

I never understood how someone forms an opinion based on someone elses opinion ... maybe that is just me idk

never understood watching highlights and forming an opinion , highlights only show good plays ...everyone has a nice highlight film

im not offended im baffled at how an opinion can be formed without watching game tape especially such strong opinions ... I picked my guy months ago

Like I mentioned before, but I'll say it again. I watched his highlights. I witnessed the "wow" factor in the throws he made. Not a lot of players at any position have "wow" highlights, but the ones that do are often times considered elite talents. Now, the fact that your mind was blown by someone that forms their OWN opinion on reading about a player and watching his highlights doesn't surprise me a bit. I know that's a lot to understand. I do apologize for that.

[Dwinsgames]

Like I mentioned before, but I'll say it again. I watched his highlights. I witnessed the "wow" factor in the throws he made. Not a lot of players at any position have "wow" highlights, but the ones that do are often times considered elite talents. Now, the fact that your mind was blown by someone that forms an opinion on reading about a player and watching his highlights doesn't surprise me a bit. I know that's a lot to understand. I do apologize for that.

[RunNGun]

Good comparison.

I think Willis throws a nicer football, but Tebow may have been better at defensive recognition and reads. Willis has this kind of habit of following thru his passes and drifting off to the left after he throws. That may be a mechanical thing that causes the inconsistency. We can see how things pan out in the Senior Bowl, Combine, private workout, etc. But I am not a big fan of his game tape.

Here is the Lending Tree bowl. its not abbreviated.

Tim Tebow is a good comparison? GTFOH. That's ridiculous. I can't even argue with someone that makes a claim like that. They have no similarities whatsoever.

[Dwinsgames]

Tim Tebow is a good comparison? GTFOH. That's ridiculous. I can't even argue with someone that makes a claim like that. They have no similarities whatsoever.

I mean he knows ... he watched a highlight tape <rolls eyes>

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I saw a cool commercial about a drug called Xaralto, that had Arnold Palmer in it. Also, Chris Bosh and Kevin Nealon said great things about it.

I think I am going to start taking it, despite not knowing what it does and there cant be any downside to it, because the video didnt show anything negative. Other people told me the highlights about it. No need to get any more info on it.

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Tim Tebow is a good comparison? GTFOH. That's ridiculous. I can't even argue with someone that makes a claim like that. They have no similarities whatsoever.

This coming from the guy that said Benny Snell is a "bell cow back". Come on man.

[RunNGun]

Benny Snell is a bell cow back. What would you call him? He's the type that needs a lot of carries to get going. That's irrelevant though. Tim Tebow? Really? That's laughable and absolutely ridiculous.

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But what am I thinking on watching highlights and reading about a player to form an opinion? You can't make an opinion on someone by watching what he does well and reading about what he doesn't. What was I thinking? I'll remember to ask Gonzo what he thinks about a guy before I give my opinion on him next time. My mistake.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Benny Snell is a bell cow back. What would you call him? He's the type that needs a lot of carries to get going. That's irrelevant though. Tim Tebow? Really? That's laughable and absolutely ridiculous.

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But what am I thinking on watching highlights and reading about a player to form an opinion? You can't make an opinion on someone by watching what he does well and reading about what he doesn't. What was I thinking? I'll remember to ask Gonzo what he thinks about a guy before I give my opinion on him next time. My mistake.

You wanted to know why so many posters on here were not big fans of Malik Willis, didn't you?

From what I can gather, they watched some Liberty games and he didn't impress those posters a lot, because his game wasnt impressive overall and a lot of the times he was only impressive against poor competition. They didn't just watch highlight videos.