Where do you have Ben in the list of all time great QBs?
Array title="DesertSteel has a reputation beyond repute">
Where do you have Ben in the list of all time great QBs?
Psh...#1 but I've always been a little bias. Realistically... Top 5. My vote shouldn't count though. He could be the 50th best QB and I'd still rank him number 1... ��
"Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead." - Butch
Array title="ALLD has a reputation beyond repute">
Top 20 compared to Joe Montana #1.
All Defense!
Array title="Rotorhead has a reputation beyond repute">
I guess you would have to list all the QBs better than him . . . Probably out of the top 10 but in the top 20 for sure. He does have 2 SB rings. How would you rate that compared to Elway or Marino? Better than Favre at backyard scramble ball? He was the best of his class for sure.
Array title="DesertSteel has a reputation beyond repute">
Interesting that some don't feel he's even in the top 25. I'd like to know the 25 QBs better than him.
Ben is ranked #31 on this list:Originally Posted by DesertSteel
https://www.lineups.com/articles/top...acks-all-time/
I can see Montana, Manning, Unitas and Brady ranked ahead of him. After that an argument can be made to go no 5. Top 10 easily at least
Outside of the top 25!? Hmmm... Must be Willy, edman, steelersdude.
"Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead." - Butch
Actually, you can click on the number of votes in any category to see who voted where, but I got a good chuckle from your post anyway.
My initial vote was outside 25, I didn’t put a ton of thought in it. I’d probably go a little lower to 20th. Ben has longevity in his corner which counts for something, it’s hard to compare with a guy like Staubach or Bradshaw in different eras with a lot less games in career. I grew up watching Elway, Favre , warren moon and like the way they can carry a team, where as Ben has better stats. Jim Kelly brought his team to 4 SB’s. Mahomes hasn’t been in league that long but I put him ahead of Ben.
if Ben only had studied more film and been a better leader like Peyton...
Array title="DesertSteel has a reputation beyond repute">
Theismann, Simms, McNabb, Cunningham, et al, ahead of Ben??? Is the writer a stand-up comedian???
Article supposedly written in April 2021 but says about Ben that he is likely to play a few more seasons? Lol
Array title="DesertSteel has a reputation beyond repute">
That feature doesn't work for everybody.
Actually, you can click on the number of votes in any category to see who voted where, but I got a good chuckle from your post anyway.
15-25 feels like the right range.
closer to 20-25 for me. but lower is not without reason
Yeah, I was just being a smart ass lol.
Actually, you can click on the number of votes in any category to see who voted where, but I got a good chuckle from your post anyway.
"Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead." - Butch
Array title="DesertSteel has a reputation beyond repute">
After the top 10, which he is not, it kinda comes down to taste because it’s very muddy with the 11-20 group. Guys like Fouts and Aikman. I can’t say that either of them are better than Ben.
Array title="Born2Steel has a reputation beyond repute">
In his class...#1.
In his generation...#3/4
All-Time Greats...I'm just glad we've had 2 in this conversation.
I’d say 15-20 All-Time. During his career…3-5 at a given time. Really the only thing he hasn’t done was win an MVP.
Enthroned Into The Good Old Boys Club - 2024
Are you talking about steeldude or me because I’d have Ben in my top 15 at least.
My fault, buddy... Yes, steeldude.
"Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead." - Butch
It’s all good. Thanks for the clarification.
Yeah, he ranked James Harrison as a better QB than Ben was.
It is more absurd to put Ben top 10 all-time than outside of the top 25 but I don't see anyone complaining about putting him top 10. Weird.
Brady, Montana, Peyton, Rodgers, Young, Warner, Unitas and Favre all had 2 or more MVPs. So let's put multiple time MVPs ahead of Ben. That leaves 2 spots to fit Ben in. Is Ben better than Patrick Mahomes? Dan Marino? Drew Brees?
nfl.com had him at 19 out of 25 in 2019
https://www.nfl.com/news/top-25-quar...p3000001035041
That's pretty far from 10th. That list omitted a lot of great QBs. I don't see how Otto Graham
isn't there when he was miles ahead in his era.
Why is Ben ahead of Warner on that list when Warner won 2x MVP awards? Warner is also one of the best playoff performers ever.
So, because TJ Watt hasn't earned MVP or even DPOY does that mean he hasn't been the best defensive player over the last four years? You know as well as I do no matter the stats they would never give that award to Ben. For what it's worth I would put Ben above Warner, Brees and Farve... Elway too.
"Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead." - Butch
Lol...I didn't put him top ten. I put him #1
"Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead." - Butch
I like the poll. I like the discussion.
But it is clear that there are about seven or eight different definitions of "best" floating around at the same time.
Hard to discuss without all being on the same page.
For me...the quickest route to rankings has always been that you have to pick one guy for one drive for the game winning TD against a great defense. Who are you taking?
In that scenario I can think about somewhere around a dozen or so guys that I definitely pick before Ben. Then I figure another handful that I would...but others would not. And then leave a few spots for some of the current guys to elbow their way into this list and then you have my "ranking".
Nice and speculative and based on nothing tangible
You mean like Ben did in Superbowl 43!I like the poll. I like the discussion.
But it is clear that there are about seven or eight different definitions of "best" floating around at the same time.
Hard to discuss without all being on the same page.
For me...the quickest route to rankings has always been that you have to pick one guy for one drive for the game winning TD against a great defense. Who are you taking?
In that scenario I can think about somewhere around a dozen or so guys that I definitely pick before Ben. Then I figure another handful that I would...but others would not. And then leave a few spots for some of the current guys to elbow their way into this list and then you have my "ranking".
Nice and speculative and based on nothing tangible
And was a Mendenhall fumble away from doing it again in Superbowl 45
OK, I'll stop now... Lol
"Zeds dead baby, Zeds dead." - Butch
Do you mean a Ben Pick-6 in SB45?? or a David Johnson missed block?
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
