Najee Math

[teegre]

Through their first 6 games…

LaDainian: 634 yards from scrimmage on 162 touches
Edgerrin: 633 yards from scrimmage on 164 touches
Najee: 632 yards from scrimmage on 136 touches

[Dwinsgames]

pretty good company

[86WARD]

Good Math.

[DesertSteel]

So you found two greats that started their careers below average. Let’s hope Najee accomplishes half of what they each did.

[teegre]

So you found two greats that started their careers below average. Let’s hope Najee accomplishes half of what they each did.

6th in the NFL in yards from scrimmage.

[Hawkman]

So you found two greats that started their careers below average. Let’s hope Najee accomplishes half of what they each did.

Below WHAT average?? Rookie average? Please show us what average they were all below.

[DesertSteel]

6th in the NFL in yards from scrimmage.

Below WHAT average?? Rookie average? Please show us what average they were all below.

Sorry but 3.8 YPC is below average. I’m hopeful that with improved line play that goes up, but until then it’s below average.

I mean, all stats are lies when looked at in isolation. But for me, YPC is the #1 stat for a RB.

[Mojouw]

Sorry but 3.8 YPC is below average. I’m hopeful that with improved line play that goes up, but until then it’s below average.

I mean, all stats are lies when looked at in isolation. But for me, YPC is the #1 stat for a RB.

You can chain that line of thinking to another one that sticks in my craw. How much “better” is Harris in Round 1 than say another back later in the draft?

Harris is good. But he doesn’t jump out as super duper.

[fansince'76]

Sorry but 3.8 YPC is below average. I’m hopeful that with improved line play that goes up, but until then it’s below average.

I mean, all stats are lies when looked at in isolation. But for me, YPC is the #1 stat for a RB.

By this rationale, they need to take guys like Bettis and Riggins (both 3.9 career YPC) out of the HoF (assuming here that anything under 4.0 YPC is "below the line" since "average" and "above average" were never defined).

[st33lersguy]

You can chain that line of thinking to another one that sticks in my craw. How much “better” is Harris in Round 1 than say another back later in the draft?

Harris is good. But he doesn’t jump out as super duper.

Let's not forget that the Browns 3rd string RB (an undrafted free agent from 3 years ago) just torched the Broncos and now has as many 100 yard rushing games this season as the Steelers 1st round RB.

[Mojouw]

Let's not forget that the Browns 3rd string RB (an undrafted free agent from 3 years ago) just torched the Broncos and now has as many 100 yard rushing games this season as the Steelers 1st round RB.

Pretty much. But they were going RB and Center early in the past draft come hell or high water. So I guess Harris and Green isn’t much different than Humphrey and some other RB.


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[Steeler-in-west]

He’ll look better when the QB can stretch the field and the o line can block better

to me it seems like the Steelers should’ve gone o line before RB in the draft (or perhaps kept Conner or taken a FA RB) but I’m sure Harris will eventually be voted to the pro bowl - but this year it could be a struggle-

we took the cart before the horse

[Steeler-in-west]

Pretty much. But they were going RB and Center early in the past draft come hell or high water. So I guess Harris and Green isn’t much different than Humphrey and some other RB.


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they needed more than a center, they needed a LT and a TE as well (turns out they needed a RG also - guess they didn’t know DeCastro’s status pre draft which is another blunder on their part.

[st33lersguy]

to me it seems like the Steelers should’ve gone o line before RB in the draft...


we took the cart before the horse

These are spot on

[Dwinsgames]

James Conner never averaged under 4.0 ypc his entire stay in Pittsburgh last year ( his worse according to pundits because as a team we didnt run the ball enough was 4.3 ypc but Conner in 13 games managed just 169 carries )

sometimes you rank at the bottom because your line sucks and sometimes you rank at the bottom of a stat because you just do not do it enough , that said 4.3 ypc is plenty good on its own BUT

you cant call run plays consistently on 3rd and 12 and rush for 7 and consider it a win and we seemingly did plenty of that last year

[teegre]

I mean, all stats are lies when looked at in isolation. But for me, YPC is the #1 stat for a RB.

I hope that you can see the humor in saying that “all stats are lies” … and then using a stat as a rejoinder.

[DesertSteel]

I hope that you can see the humor in saying that “all stats are lies” … and then using a stat as a rejoinder.

Absolutely.

[teegre]

they needed more than a center, they needed a LT and a TE as well (turns out they needed a RG also - guess they didn’t know DeCastro’s status pre draft which is another blunder on their part.

Dan Moore is as good as (if not better than) any LT that was drafted from our R1 pick until he was drafted in R4. Heck, aside from Rashawn Slater, Moore is having the best rookie season of any LT.

Moore is not the problem.

As far as DeCastro goes, that was odd. As I mentioned a few times in the past months, taking a flyer on Tre Smith (top 10 talent with MAJOR medical concerns) would have solved that exact problem… and then some. WOW!!! Then again, Smith could die (literally) on any given play.

[DesertSteel]

By this rationale, they need to take guys like Bettis and Riggins (both 3.9 career YPC) out of the HoF (assuming here that anything under 4.0 YPC is "below the line" since "average" and "above average" were never defined).

Their career stats also include several years on the decline due to age. And yes, regardless of who it is, 3.8 is still below average. I’d consider 4.0 average, 4.5 good and 5+ great.

[Hawkman]

Sounds like some people are ready to write Harris off as a bust after just 6 games……NOW THAT’S COMICAL!

[86WARD]

Let's not forget that the Browns 3rd string RB (an undrafted free agent from 3 years ago) just torched the Broncos and now has as many 100 yard rushing games this season as the Steelers 1st round RB.

Also, let's not forget the system the Browns run. That's more important than "the Broncos".

[DesertSteel]

Sounds like some people are ready to write Harris off as a bust after just 6 games……NOW THAT’S COMICAL!

Who is that? Which poster is calling him a bust?

[86WARD]

Greatest Steelers RB of All-Time - DeAngelo Williams...4.7 YPC!!

[EzraTank]

So you found two greats that started their careers below average. Let’s hope Najee accomplishes half of what they each did.

Damn the glass is always half full and cracked with you ...

[st33lersguy]

Who is that? Which poster is calling him a bust?

No one is, he just didn't like what some people were saying and is trying to put words on a screen that weren't typed

[Mojouw]

Dan Moore is as good as (if not better than) any LT that was drafted from our R1 pick until he was drafted in R4. Heck, aside from Rashawn Slater, Moore is having the best rookie season of any LT.

Moore is not the problem.

As far as DeCastro goes, that was odd. As I mentioned a few times in the past months, taking a flyer on Tre Smith (top 10 talent with MAJOR medical concerns) would have solved that exact problem… and then some. WOW!!! Then again, Smith could die (literally) on any given play.

Dan Moore is playing well in the context of rookie LTs. But to say that he isn't part of the current problem is just wrong. He regularly whiffs on edge rushers that can bring speed and bend. He doesn't always get a great push off the edge in the run. It isn't that Moore is hopeless or terrible. It is that he was playing in the NCAA last season and he looks like it. Often. So does Kendrick Green. Then at other times, both look AMAZING. Getting these guys reps and the scouting reports on both by the Steelers appear to be spot on.

But Moore and Green are part of the problem. Fortunately, they are also the solution.

[teegre]

Dan Moore is playing well in the context of rookie LTs. But to say that he isn't part of the current problem is just wrong. He regularly whiffs on edge rushers that can bring speed and bend. He doesn't always get a great push off the edge in the run. It isn't that Moore is hopeless or terrible. It is that he was playing in the NCAA last season and he looks like it. Often. So does Kendrick Green. Then at other times, both look AMAZING. Getting these guys reps and the scouting reports on both by the Steelers appear to be spot on.

But Moore and Green are part of the problem. Fortunately, they are also the solution.

Any rookie is going to have a learning curve. So, in that sense, Moore is indeed part of the problem.

My point is that any OT drafted (other than Slater) would be having even more problems adjusting to NFL defenders. We needed a LT; we drafted a pretty darn good one.

[Mojouw]

Any rookie is going to have a learning curve. So, in that sense, Moore is indeed part of the problem.

My point is that any OT drafted (other than Slater) would be having even more problems adjusting to NFL defenders. We needed a LT; we drafted a pretty darn good one.

Maybe? They're are still a great deal of holes in Moore's game. There is a version that he closes those holes with a somewhat normal year to year progression and by Year 3 he's a top LT. The other version is that he is on the Chuks developmental path and he stays a version of what he is currently and settles in as a just enough to get by LT. Either way it is pretty darn good for where he was drafted. But one version of that development still hamstrings your offense.

I remain optimistic about the OL overall. I just don't think we can really talk about them improving all that much until next season. But next season, they could have one of the youngest and most athletic lines in the entire league. That's exciting. But its gonna still be rugged getting there.

[teegre]

Maybe? They're are still a great deal of holes in Moore's game. There is a version that he closes those holes with a somewhat normal year to year progression and by Year 3 he's a top LT. The other version is that he is on the Chuks developmental path and he stays a version of what he is currently and settles in as a just enough to get by LT. Either way it is pretty darn good for where he was drafted. But one version of that development still hamstrings your offense.

I remain optimistic about the OL overall. I just don't think we can really talk about them improving all that much until next season. But next season, they could have one of the youngest and most athletic lines in the entire league. That's exciting. But its gonna still be rugged getting there.

He could stagnate. But, we all know that I’m not one to dwell on the bottom side of a glass.

Who would you have taken to play LT? You can have ANY player taken in the draft after our R1 pick?

Me… I’m still taking Moore. I think he’s a steal. You might convince me to take Spencer Brown, but it’s a coin flip.

[DesertSteel]

To be clear, I wanted Harris to be our pick. But I was on the record at the time of being concerned he didn’t have a 40 time. I still question his speed. Since I’ve watched him 6 games, I also question if he has top level vision to find the holes. Does that make me a pessimist? No, I’m just giving my opinion on what I’ve seen so far. I also see improvement and I’m optimistic that he’ll be everything we need in a back. His personality and work ethic are great and he’s a physical beast. I have no regrets with the pick.

Is that me calling him a bust???