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    Re: Gruden Gone!

    Overreaction much? I honestly didn’t think his comment was racist. The media likes to make mountains out of mole hills

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    gotta love the woke culture we live in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    Overreaction much? I honestly didn’t think his comment was racist. The media likes to make mountains out of mole hills
    you’re really only able to make fun of old white guys. The goodell portion of it was Okay, everything else not so much.

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    Re: Gruden Gone!

    Hahahahahahahshaha….wait……hhaaaaahhhhhaaaa….oh goodness. This is hilarious!

    Like did he and Bruce Allen think emails were magic and not permanent? Also, why are the WFT archive all these?

    Overall, who is surprised by this? Old Football coaches are homophobic, potentially more than a little racist, sexist, and outdated in their interactions? Whhhhaaaaaa? No way!

    Who could’ve ever thought that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubanstogie View Post
    gotta love the woke culture we live in!

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    you’re really only able to make fun of old white guys. The goodell portion of it was Okay, everything else not so much.
    I'll read more into it, I only heard he made an exaggerated comment about some certain black guy's lips being big or something like that. I didn't read the rest of that article further cause I thought it was a whole bunch of nothing. Apparently there was more said than just that.

    Though if he trashed goodell that puts him on my good side

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    Re: Gruden Gone!

    Didn’t this happen like eleven years ago?!!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkman View Post
    Didn’t this happen like eleven years ago?!!?
    I think so? But one report makes it seem like it was ongoing while Gruden was at ESPN. So could be up to when he started coaching again?

    Also, gotta figure he didn’t just wake up one day and suddenly decide he didn’t hold certain opinions anymore.

    Gonna be interesting to see what happens with all those $$$ the Raiders still owe him.

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    "Gruden’s departure came after a New York Times report that N.F.L. officials, as part of a separate workplace misconduct investigation that did not directly involve him, found that Gruden had casually and frequently unleashed misogynistic and homophobic language over several years to denigrate people around the game and to mock some of the league’s momentous changes."


    Gruden’s departure came after a New York Times report that N.F.L. officials, as part of a separate workplace misconduct investigation that did not directly involve him, found that Gruden had casually and frequently unleashed misogynistic and homophobic language over several years to denigrate people around the game and to mock some of the league’s momentous changes.

    He denounced the emergence of women as referees, the drafting of a gay player and the tolerance of players protesting during the playing of the national anthem, according to emails reviewed by The Times.

    Gruden’s messages were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, and others, while he was working for ESPN as a color analyst during “Monday Night Football.” In the emails, Gruden called the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell, a “faggot” and a “clueless anti football pussy” and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft “queers,” a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014.

    In numerous emails during a seven-year period ending in early 2018, Gruden criticized Goodell and the league for trying to reduce concussions and said that Eric Reid, a player who had demonstrated during the playing of the national anthem, should be fired. In several instances, Gruden used a homophobic slur to refer to Goodell and offensive language to describe some N.F.L. owners, coaches and journalists who cover the league.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/s...ruden-say.html

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    Can we get that impersonator guy to read those emails in Gruden’s voice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86WARD View Post
    Can we get that impersonator guy to read those emails in Gruden’s voice?
    Or better yet, this guy...




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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    Or better yet, this guy...





    The real Chucky show just started on USA network last night



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    Overreaction much? I honestly didn’t think his comment was racist. The media likes to make mountains out of mole hills
    According to Josina Anderson of ESPN, Brown approached Mayock to complain about a recent fine before calling him a "cracker" and using a barrage of "cuss words" directed at the first-year GM. A team source said Mayock "walked away because he saw it escalate" while other players held Brown back.
    Source.

    And yet he's still playing in Tampa Bay. Look Gruden's comments were stupid, but let's not pretend most players haven't said some shit about white players in the past either. These witch hunts only seem to apply to a certain class. I can pretty much guarantee that most players have called someone a "fag" growing up, does that make them evil or unfit for the NFL? What's the old saying about glass houses?

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    Nevermind, just noticed it's willy, not worth my time.

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    Yes. The long suffer fabulously wealthy middle aged white dudes. Such an oppressed and unfairly targeted class. Their tale of suffering and degradation will echo through the ages.

    Gruden will be back on TV or making gobs of money via football somewhere in less than 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince'76 View Post
    Or better yet, this guy...






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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Yes. The long suffer fabulously wealthy middle aged white dudes. Such an oppressed and unfairly targeted class. Their tale of suffering and degradation will echo through the ages.

    Gruden will be back on TV or making gobs of money via football somewhere in less than 2 years.
    It has nothing to do with that. If you cannot see that it has to do with hypocrisy then I cannot help you. I think if Gruden is forced to resign then AB shouldn't be in the league either, it is that simple. I mean you do want equality don't you?

    And you forget who owns all these TV broadcasts ... the mighty woke warriors. There is no way in hell Gruden ever gets near a job like that again. Hell Rush Limbaugh has a better chance of working on TV again and he's dead.

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    You can say or think whatever you want, but it doesn’t mean that there won’t be consequences, and they farther up the food chain you get, the more under the microscope you get and the greater the consequences. If there was an open mic at one of our golf outings……no telling how much trouble some of these guys would get in. One of the black guys in our group, was giving a newcomer a lesson on the difference between, “******” and “nigga”. Everyone was cracking up, because he said, “as a white friend, you can call be nigga all you want to (under the right circumstances)…. But call me the other and I will knock you out “.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzraTank View Post
    It has nothing to do with that. If you cannot see that it has to do with hypocrisy then I cannot help you. I think if Gruden is forced to resign then AB shouldn't be in the league either, it is that simple. I mean you do want equality don't you?

    And you forget who owns all these TV broadcasts ... the mighty woke warriors. There is no way in hell Gruden ever gets near a job like that again. Hell Rush Limbaugh has a better chance of working on TV again and he's dead.
    This all comes down to the fact that Gruden came for the owners and the commish. AB called out a GM. That GM kicked him off his team. Action. Consequence. Another GM decided he's rather have AB's production and hope the other stuff got drowned out by winning.

    Any other owner can immediately hire Gruden. So...the exact same consequences happened. And, the woke classes don't own any TV broadcasts. That is owned by the same class of rich dudes that own the NFL.

    Gruden was dumb enough to run his mouth with a paper trail. He's a moron. And he forgot that he worked for the least powerful owner in the league (Raiders are cash strapped and burned all their favors with the move to Vegas).

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    yeah, Grudens a loose cannon and he was dumb enough to put it on e-mail, but getting fired for this is a little over the top. He doesn't sound like a racist.

    my mistake, he resigned
    Last edited by Steeler-in-west; 10-12-2021 at 05:31 PM.

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    For the record, the NFL Jumped the Shark awhile ago Too bad for Gruden if he still wanted to work. He should buy a house in the Keys and go fishing.
    All Defense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tube517 View Post


    The real Chucky show just started on USA network last night
    Coincidence? Maybe Gruden takes a page out of and book to work his way out of Oakland for a higher paying gig as an actor?!?

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    you are a Kenny Pickett enabler

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    Buccaneers removed him from their ring of honor. Lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwinsgames View Post
    you are a Kenny Pickett enabler

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    Re: Gruden Gone!

    That's one way to get rid of a coach I never wanted back.

    I'm still taking this all in, so I really have no comment on it other than, what he said is inexcusable.

    I feel there is an ass load of hypocrisy going on here (in the league). I'm betting more than half of all owners, coaches and players in the league have said some of the same things over the course of years.

    Do I think he should have been fired? Yes. Ask yourself this... what have you said over the years that people would frown on today? Should you lose your job, your life over things you said in years past? This a dangerous precedent to set.

    I don't care that Gruden is no longer the Raiders' coach... I never wanted him back. I just think from here on out that people should proceed with caution about things from the past: You could be the next one to pay for past transgressions. In fact every one of us is guilty.... and you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west View Post
    yeah, Grudens a loose cannon and he was dumb enough to put it on e-mail, but getting fired for this is a little over the top. He doesn't sound like a racist.

    my mistake, he resigned
    I don't think you've read the rest of the story. There are 7-10 years worth of emails with lots of comments that would make Archie Bunker blush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post

    I'm betting more than half of all owners, coaches and players in the league have said some of the same things over the course of years.
    He lost his job because he was STUPID enough to put it in writing and send it to other people's computers across league owned networks. That's royally stupid beyond repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    I don't think you've read the rest of the story. There are 7-10 years worth of emails with lots of comments that would make Archie Bunker blush.

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    He lost his job because he was STUPID enough to put it in writing and send it to other people's computers across league owned networks. That's royally stupid beyond repair.
    I agree. How many others were just as stupid and haven't been turned out...yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    I agree. How many others were just as stupid and haven't been turned out...yet?
    I have a feeling we're gonna find out. In corporate America we're way smarter than that, but I'm not sure about football coaches and execs that have spent their whole lives insulated around locker rooms.

    But you're right, Gruden was a bad coach and you're lucky to be unsaddled from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    I don't think you've read the rest of the story. There are 7-10 years worth of emails with lots of comments that would make Archie Bunker blush.
    I guess i didn't, if he went that far he's an idiot. When your full of yourself (which he seemed to be) you tend to do stupid stuff

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    Oh and I hope he never works on TV again either. Not because of this but because he royally SUCKED at it. He used the same lazy comment over and over. "This guy is the best ____ at this." You can tell some color guys will actually meet with the players leading up to the game and talk about a story they shared but this lazy POS was horrible as a color guy that put little to no effort into it. Good riddance.

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    Re: Gruden Gone!

    Keyshawn (whom I don't care for) put it best: "He's a used car salesman." (no offense to the used car salesmen out there!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertSteel View Post
    He lost his job because he was STUPID enough to put it in writing and send it to other people's computers across league owned networks. That's royally stupid beyond repair.
    Yep, goes without saying you have to assume that any communication on any employer-provided email address is going to be monitored. A lot of times when you log in, there's a splash banner that reminds you that you have no privacy when using that system and consent to monitoring. So yep, that was incredibly stupid on his part.

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