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The Steelers need a quarterback. The past few years have seen many misses and only a few hits. Two stand out: Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert.
What was it in their tape or in the draft process that could help identify them as outliers? Because honestly, we need to get this right next year.
I don’t think they get a guy next year. I have no evidence, just a hunch that it’s not going to go QB. I think they may go with an OL.
Regardless, what scares me most is that they had a first round grade on Rudolph.
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Agreed. OL, D & WR. I'm not sold on our WR's. Clay is about the only sure one. Washington will not be here, JuJu may not be here, D.Johnson doesn't have a football mind set, he gives up on routes, playbook issues, steps out of bounds when he could have had many more yards and seems to get injured more than the others and drops balls.
JuJu is rock solid when he gets the opportunity. If they let him walk, I fell it will be a huge mistake. He’s not a #1 guy yet and may never be a number one guy but he and Claypool combined with a number one or very good number two and a guy who can get them the ball would be dangerous. Would be a mistake to let him go. I’d keep him over Johnson 10/10 times.
I agree: I would keep JuJu. He moved inside… and “only” had the best season a slot receiver had in the past half decade.
As I’ve posted elsewhere, when JuJu played outside (no AB, younger Ben) he had #1 numbers. Whether he is a true “#1” or not, he’s an excellent receiver… who is still younger than some of the guys drafted in the past two seasons.
DJ is what he is. On draft day, I stated that DJ would be frustrating for us to watch. I said he’d make some amazing catches… and then make a frustrating drop (on about 1/9 targets). So far, that is indeed what he has done: made amazing catches but also had infuriating drops. IMO, I’d let him walk (and take the R3 comp).
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Oh I agree on JuJu. I think the steelers can replace Johnson in the draft very easy.
I'm with you. After watching the video that Shoes posted, our biggest problem is the OL hands down (followed by a horrible offensive coordinator/game plan). The guy in the video pointed out how little time Ben has to throw and how not open our receivers are after 2.2 seconds when the pressure starts to hit. A younger Ben was great at shrugging off pressure and creating stuff on the run but those days for Ben are over. I think if they benched Ben for Rudolph nothing would change because Rudolph is a statue like Ben. Haskins would be the better choice because he can move a little bit and has a rocket arm. But Haskins can't read defenses and makes a lot of mistakes or misses open guys.
We need to rebuild this line, period. You could put Mahomes behind this line and we might win a few more games but still wouldn't be contenders. Our offensive schemes are ... well offensive. This is why I think we draft the best lineman in the next draft and sign/trade for a veteran to replace Ben. I just hope it's not Fitzpatrick. Teams that sign Fitzpatrick are signalling they're in a rebuild.
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My exact thoughts
Rudy is QB22, no if and or buts about it.
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Team trades TJ for a boat load of picks
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1. leadership
2. Accuracy
3. being able to read a defense - I don’t know how that’s evaluated at the college level - because I’m sure coverages are different or simpler than in the pros , maybe see how fast a guy goes through his reads
4. arm strength
5. Athleticism- mobility
….In that order, seems like Mahomes has them all, Herbert has maybe 1-4.
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Thanks for answering the actual question of the thread!! I think Herbert is a good athlete.
I haven’t seen much of Herbert, I guess I assumed wrong. Our next guy should be good at 1-3 at least, I think our backups are ok on 2-3 of the things I listed - not great or maybe ‘works in progress’
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I’m hoping we go with an athlete if everything else is equal.
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I suppose simple defenses and wide open receivers make evaluating whether a qb can read a defense difficult.
It really depends on what they have in mind for free agency. They're definitely going to either sign a QB to be the guy/compete with MR, or sign a big named Olineman. Perhaps, both. Imo it will be BPA between OL and QB in rd 1.
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Herbert is actually a better athlete than Mahomes.
with the lack of quality QB’s in this draft that posters are mentioning maybe o lineman in first round,
That would be alright with me. They have to solidify the OL before anything else. Bringing in a rookie QB behind this OL is setting the Steelers up to be the "new" New York Jets.
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Depends on QB free agent/ trade market. Who might be available?
- Jimmy G.
- Cam
- Dalton
- Tua
- Lock
- Jones
- Watson
- Mariotta
- Goff
- Ryan
- ???
Not a lot of appealing names. Might be best to roll with Rudolph compared to those names. That's why I think they go QB in R1.
I think with the cap space the Steelers will have, they can go with any one of several of those guys on a 2 or 3 year deal and also draft a QB in round 1. Add Jacoby Brissett to that list as well.
The QB crop is going to consist of guys like Howell, Rattler, Slovis, Malik Willis, Carson Strong, that all could end up 1st round grades. If they find a guy that they like, then I can see it happening, but I dont think the Steelers look to throw them into the fire year 1. So I expect a veteran presence, but one that is more of a has been from that list instead of a never-was like Rudolph or Haskins.
What was the Steelers pick this year, #20? I think there is a good chance that they are picking at least #15 or higher in the 2022 draft.
Ryan took the falcons to the super bowl a few years ago, then again he’s not a scrambler so our line would have to improve if we brought him on
Good athlete with a good head is what we need. Also need to make sure the O-line is better and that we have an OC that doesn't hinder the QB
1. Big arm to stretch the defense
2. Mobility
3. Accuracy
4. Leadership
5. Brains
#1 and #2 you can't teach or develop. #3, #4, and #5 you can, IMO.
Depends what they do in free agency, IMO. They could potentially add 2 big-named offensive lineman. If they went that route then QB is a good choice in rd 1. If they bring a QB in through free agency then I expect they'll go OL in rd 1.
I'd rather they solidified the OL in free agency and went after their QB in rd 1.
I have seen Ole Miss QB Matt Corral mocked to the Steelers.
he plays against Alabama this Saturday, might be worth watching to see how he does.
What I would look for:
Playmaking outside of structure
Ability to move and reset launch point
Football IQ
Fearless
Ability to immediately forget bad plays
Big arm
Accurate
So you know…basically everything?
Corral doesn't strike me as 1st round talent. He's undersized and doesn't have a strong arm. Reminds me of Tua a little bit, so maybe he will go R1, but I'd prefer Malik Willis. Willis has a cannon for an arm.
What you talkin bout Willis?
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As a GM, this will be Colbert’s most important pick ever.
Herbert had a worse OC than Fitchner. So, what we need to do is watch high school tapes of players who went to colleges where their coaches failed them.
Ok. Joking aside.
ARM: Mahomes & Herbert can make all of the throws. But, arm strength alone is not good enough, otherwise Jeff George would have been a HOFer. You have to have accuracy and touch.
-strength
-accuracy
-touch
MIND: Being able to read defenses is important. Being able to anticipate and throw guys open is important; too many “great” college QBs were throwing to wide-open receivers. In the NFL, you have to anticipate when a receiver will break and throw to where he will (eventually) be open. That might actually be a little more important than reading defenses (but, really… both are about the same, tho).
-anticipation
-ability to read defenses
LEGS: I do not need a runner, but you do have to be able to scramble. Marino might thrive with today’s passsing rules, but I also think that he’d be limited by his lack of mobility. (It would be a wash; Marino would have lots of passing yards but also get sacked a bunch.) Ergo, as others have said…
-athleticism
SUMMATION:
If I had to rank everything, it would be as listed above.
-arm strength
-arm accuracy
-touch
-anticipation
-reading defenses
-athleticism
Johnson is a dummy but replacement will not be easy. Guys that can get open on their own off the line of scrimmage are not easy to find.
There’s a reason that he’s the ONLY WR with that skill on the roster.
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The Steelers drafted DJ R3 2019, Clay R2 in 2020 and PF, R2 in 2021. In 2022 they will find a replacement for DJ if they are zeroed in on that position, it's the one position we all know that they are very good at assessing.
Lots to pick from.
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