Game balls and goats (Week#2 vs Raiders)

[EzraTank]

Goats: Ben, running game, coaching, injuries.

Gameballs: Boz, Harris for trying with no blocking.

[86WARD]

Gameballs: None.

Goats: All.

[Fire Goodell]

you gotta win the game to get a game ball.

Game ball: no one

Goats: too many to list

[Mojouw]

Ben Roethlisberger. And the coaching staff and ownership for allowing a player who can not compete at the required level to listen to his ego and attempt to play.

[DesertSteel]

Ben Roethlisberger. And the coaching staff and ownership for allowing a player who can not compete at the required level to listen to his ego and attempt to play.

Ben is a shell of his former self. As I said last week, he is an inaccurate game manager. That's not a good combination. This offense is so painful to watch, especially when we're up against an accurate passer like Carr. The contrast is ridiculous.

[Shoes]

Ben is a shell of his former self. As I said last week, he is an inaccurate game manager. That's not a good combination. This offense is so painful to watch, especially when we're up against an accurate passer like Carr. The contrast is ridiculous.

The Steelers have to make a move on a QB in the draft. It makes no sense to pay players like TJ if your offence can't score points.

[DesertSteel]

The Steelers have to make a move on a QB in the draft. It makes no sense to pay players like TJ if your offence can't score points.

This might be OVERREACTION but I wouldn't mind seeing Rudolph at this point. Maybe Ben can catch that groin thing that's going around...

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A 6th rounder for minshew

Minshew likely would've won that game.

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If we don't win 10 or more, I pray that we only win 3-4. Otherwise, we might as well hire Jeff Fisher to coach this team.

[dislocatedday]

This might be OVERREACTION but I wouldn't mind seeing Rudolph at this point. Maybe Ben can catch that groin thing that's going around...

Well, I have the same overreaction then. I would not mind seeing Rudolph either. Ben has not put together a complete, good game since sometime in the first half of last season. It is not an anomaly at this point......It is a trend that has extended many games now. He is not magically going to find the fountain of youth all of a sudden.

[Shoes]

This might be OVERREACTION but I wouldn't mind seeing Rudolph at this point. Maybe Ben can catch that groin thing that's going around...

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Minshew likely would've won that game.

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If we don't win 10 or more, I pray that we only win 3-4. Otherwise, we might as well hire Jeff Fisher to coach this team.

[Edman]

Ben is a shell of his former self. As I said last week, he is an inaccurate game manager. That's not a good combination. This offense is so painful to watch, especially when we're up against an accurate passer like Carr. The contrast is ridiculous.

I think even "Game Manager" is pushing it. Alex Smith, Mason Rudolph or Landry Jones puts up 24 on the Raiders today. With this Defense is sufficient.

Ben has regressed to 1998-Era Kordell Stewart levels of pain.

[cubanstogie]

I think even "Game Manager" is pushing it. Alex Smith, Mason Rudolph or Landry Jones puts up 24 on the Raiders today. With this Defense is sufficient.

Ben has regressed to 1998-Era Kordell Stewart levels of pain.

A 6th rounder for minshew, or 4th for Darnold would’ve been great in hindsight. How long before Rudolph gets a start? How much for Deshaun Watson? Ben has a chance to right ship, I still can’t stand watching him anymore. Glad I had zero expectations for this year. Makes days like today much easier.

[Fire Goodell]

Ben is a shell of his former self. As I said last week, he is an inaccurate game manager. That's not a good combination. This offense is so painful to watch, especially when we're up against an accurate passer like Carr. The contrast is ridiculous.

imo, Ben is basically a guy who has been great for most of his career based off his raw talent. Now that his talent is diminished, he's being asked to be a cerebral pocket passer, which he is definitely not. Time's up for him.

He could be successful if he were put into an offensive system that has a dominant run game to lean on, but there's no chance of that happening with our o-line. IMO this is a transition year. Lot of new players on offense and defense. As far as a SB window, we can forget about that.

[Mojouw]

imo, Ben is basically a guy who has been great for most of his career based off his raw talent. Now that his talent is diminished, he's being asked to be a cerebral pocket passer, which he is definitely not. Time's up for him.

I actually think that he is being cerebral and diagnosing defenses quickly and accurately. He just can't do what his brain wants him to any longer.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Ben is a shell of his former self. As I said last week, he is an inaccurate game manager. That's not a good combination. This offense is so painful to watch, especially when we're up against an accurate passer like Carr. The contrast is ridiculous.

Sure, but he was unfortunately the best option, with his contract value that was going to saddle the Steelers this season, whether he was on the roster or not. Mason Rudolph wasnt going to be much better and fans would be 10X more angry if they were staring at a 4 win season.

They will get some guys like Tuitt, Haden, Watt, Bush back in the next few weeks and be better, but its been pretty clear that father time has been tugging on Ben's jersey for a few seasons now, despite the hopeful MVP talk for Ben early last season.

[Mojouw]

Sure, but he was unfortunately the best option, with his contract value that was going to saddle the Steelers this season, whether he was on the roster or not. Mason Rudolph wasnt going to be much better and fans would be 10X more angry if they were staring at a 4 win season.

They will get some guys like Tuitt, Haden, Watt, Bush back in the next few weeks and be better, but its been pretty clear that father time has been tugging on Ben's jersey for a few seasons now, despite the hopeful MVP talk for Ben early last season.

Pretty much. The team made the best of a rugged scenario for 2021. It wasn't my preference, but I see the logic behind what they are trying to do. Ben was $$$ no matter what. So load up and try and drag the HOF SB winning QB into the postseason one more time and see what happens. The Saints, Broncos, Giants, Colts, etc. have all tried versions of this recently with varying degrees of success.

Still a ton of football left and it could get better...

[86WARD]

Pretty much. The team made the best of a rugged scenario for 2021. It wasn't my preference, but I see the logic behind what they are trying to do. Ben was $$$ no matter what. So load up and try and drag the HOF SB winning QB into the postseason one more time and see what happens. The Saints, Broncos, Giants, Colts, etc. have all tried versions of this recently with varying degrees of success.

Still a ton of football left and it could get better...

It hasn’t gotten better in 2-3 seasons and two games. Why would it get better now or in the next 5 months?

There’s a laundry list of issues with this team on both sides of the ball.

[DesertSteel]

Sure, but he was unfortunately the best option, with his contract value that was going to saddle the Steelers this season, whether he was on the roster or not. Mason Rudolph wasnt going to be much better and fans would be 10X more angry if they were staring at a 4 win season.

They will get some guys like Tuitt, Haden, Watt, Bush back in the next few weeks and be better, but its been pretty clear that father time has been tugging on Ben's jersey for a few seasons now, despite the hopeful MVP talk for Ben early last season.

I'd argue that Bridgewater, Wentz, Darnold or Minshew all would have been better options, and doable based on their contracts. But they have a loyalty to Ben that they've never had with Troy or any of the other Steeler greats.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I'd argue that Bridgewater, Wentz, Darnold or Minshew all would have been better options, and doable based on their contracts. But they have a loyalty to Ben that they've never had with Troy or any of the other Steeler greats.

Darnold, sure. The other 3 guys are really just a stopgap or "never will be" that still likely have the Steelers as the #3 team in the AFC North at best.

This way its, pay Ben and keep the fanbase happy with optimism that he is still 2007 Ben. Then see that he isnt and when the fanbase is ready to move on, due to his declining performance, then you start 2022 with lots of cap room and very few fans saying...."I think Ben has 2 or 3 more good seasons in him".

[dislocatedday]

Gameballs: Boz and Harvin

It is sad when my only gameballs go to the kicker and punter.

Goat: Ben

He is in the bottom third of NFL Qbs now, which is sad. There are other problems on offense too, but Ben is a shell of his former self. I don't like writing that, but he looks much like he did the back half of last season.

[Edman]

This is what happens when you hold onto a for guy way too long.

No heroes or goats here. Just a team loss.

[NCSteeler]

Game balls: Defense, could naidering they were down 4 damn good player in the front 7, plus Hayden

Goat: offense, you have got to be able to count on a NFL level offense to score 20 points every game. Is not tlike they were out there playing 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens

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[JayC]

shit, i can't blame fichtner for ben sucking anymore

[cubanstogie]

I played golf so missed first three quarters, I can’t come here with a clear view of goats but when Tomlin opts to punt on a 4th and one I was furious. IMO you have better shot at gaining a yard than having D producing 2 three and outs. Just glad I didn’t waste a 75 degree day watching a pathetic performance. Sometimes Tomlin appears clueless, especially without full compliment of time outs.

[86WARD]

Why can Ben throw a 41 yard NFL pass one play but then throws some lobs on other plays? Does his arm just suddenly get strong and then go away?

Why are the Steelers receivers constantly blanketed when they run their routes but other teams throw at ease on the Steelers? Are the other teams just better at covering? Are the Steelers receivers just bad at getting open?

Why do the Steelers run plays that have routes way short of the first down marker on third and long, third and medium?

Why is the shotgun draw run game after game after game after game and will occasionally produce more than 1-2 yards but most of the time it goes for less than 2? It’s a throw away play. It would make sense if they ran play action if it. They don’t. Is it Ben calling that play? Is Harris just not good? Produces the same results as Conner. Does the O-Line just not block it?

Where is the new offensive motions, calls, under center, play action, etc?

[Mojouw]

Why can Ben throw a 41 yard NFL pass one play but then throws some lobs on other plays? Does his arm just suddenly get strong and then go away?Essentially. His feet need to be tethered to the ground and he needs a great deal of open field in front to step-into it and drive the ball. And the problem is not and has never been that he can't heave it a long way. It is that he can no longer put that heave into a small window that is quickly closing, And that he can no longer accurately pick a shoulder or a hip to place the ball on.

Why are the Steelers receivers constantly blanketed when they run their routes but other teams throw at ease on the Steelers? Are the other teams just better at covering? Are the Steelers receivers just bad at getting open?
Lack of consistent ball placement by the QB. Ben is putting the ball in a place where the DB can make a play on it. The other QBs are not.

Why do the Steelers run plays that have routes way short of the first down marker on third and long, third and mediu
See the above. Ben can't hit those throws into small windows on third downs and so it is the "safe" throw and hope someone makes a huge play.

Why is the shotgun draw run game after game after game after game and will occasionally produce more than 1-2 yards but most of the time it goes for less than 2? It’s a throw away play. It would make sense if they ran play action if it. They don’t. Is it Ben calling that play? Is Harris just not good? Produces the same results as Conner. Does the O-Line just not block it?
Why run play action with a QB that can't throw it down the field? Also,..that play must be intended to do something...but it seems pointless and dumb. Also, no one fears your passing game, so there is no pass rush to suck in and fool.

Where is the new offensive motions, calls, under center, play action, etc?
The QB refuses to do it.

See the blue above. I think you already know all this...

[86WARD]

See the blue above. I think you already know all this...

Saying that all your responses are 100% correct, then the coaching staff is more of a problem then the QB.

[Mojouw]

Saying that all your responses are 100% correct, then the coaching staff is more of a problem then the QB.

Huh? How can the coaching staff make Ben suck less?

They are calling a crippled and abridged playbook because he is garbage right now.

I'm not sure I am following what you are getting at....I mean at this point I would be willing to see what Canada could do under center...

[86WARD]

Huh? How can the coaching staff make Ben suck less?

They are calling a crippled and abridged playbook because he is garbage right now.

I'm not sure I am following what you are getting at....I mean at this point I would be willing to see what Canada could do under center...

The coaching staff, the front office, ownership, they have the ability to change all that you mentioned. Either he plays with the “real playbook” or they play a quarterback that can. That falls 100% on the coaching staff and ownership. Do they not have the ability to change the roster?

[teegre]

Game balls:

Heyward. Just write his name down every week.

Boz. WOW!!!

JuJu. He’s reliable. He does the dirty work. If he were moved back outside, he’d get more yards. As it is, he’s (statistically) the best slot receiver over the past five seasons… which is huge.

Harvin. He pinned the Raiders inside the 15. Once on a bomb and once from midfield. Can’t ask for more.

Goats:

Injuries.

Ben not throwing to the “open” side of Claypool.

DJ & Ebron.

[cubanstogie]

harbaugh has balls , Tomlin not so much.