Steelers Not Eligible For Any 2022 Comp Picks?

[86WARD]

[Dwinsgames]

Finney was released so not sure he counts as a gain ....

Haeg is a camp body Coward and Ballage could very well be too and all of the "gains" are on league min type contracts while the losses are for the most part significant contracts and will be starters in their new homes while the guys we signed for the most part lucky to make the team ...

Kaboly is full of shit , because contract size , playing time , and all that are part of the formula as to whom gets picks and who does not

[Mojouw]

It looks like Kaboly might be wrong...because you have to go through this entire process. Not sure?

https://overthecap.com/the-basics-an...y-draft-picks/ and https://overthecap.com/compensatory-...llation-chart/

Another way of reading it is that it is just a 1 for 1 cancellation until your losses outnumber your gains....

[ThorndikeFFA]

Read it again, he says the Steelers are not ineligible for comp picks. If he really meant eligible he's really wrong. But, if you go by what he wrote he's not wrong, or he's not right. Hmmm...or maybe he's just really dumb.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Hmmm...or maybe he's just really dumb.

[teegre]

Dupree’s contract alone is larger than/should offset ALL of the players we signed.

[Mojouw]

Dupree’s contract alone is larger than/should offset ALL of the players we signed.

From some of the stuff I read....that may not matter. Looking at the example off-set charts here (https://overthecap.com/compensatory-...llation-chart/). One guy out the door is cancelled by one guy in the door - seemingly regardless of contract dollar amount.

Once you have MORE out the door than in the door in terms of qualifying FAs, then the contract amounts and playing times start mattering.

But I am not clear on all the specifics. If only there were people who were paid to do this for a living and had the ability to explain it all clearly to interested fans....too bad nothing like that exists....

[teegre]

From some of the stuff I read....that may not matter. Looking at the example off-set charts here (https://overthecap.com/compensatory-...llation-chart/). One guy out the door is cancelled by one guy in the door - seemingly regardless of contract dollar amount.

Once you have MORE out the door than in the door in terms of qualifying FAs, then the contract amounts and playing times start mattering.

But I am not clear on all the specifics. If only there were people who were paid to do this for a living and had the ability to explain it all clearly to interested fans....too bad nothing like that exists....

From prior years, it has a LOT to do with contract size.

If I’m wrong, they why the EFF would the Steelers sign ANY of these guys???

[86WARD]

Read it again, he says the Steelers are not ineligible for comp picks. If he really meant eligible he's really wrong. But, if you go by what he wrote he's not wrong, or he's not right. Hmmm...or maybe he's just really dumb.

Maybe I read it wrong...or maybe I read it wrong but interpreted what he wrote (wrong) correctly? My reading comprehension...not so good today...lol.

[86WARD]

[Steeler-in-west]

Read it again, he says the Steelers are not ineligible for comp picks. If he really meant eligible he's really wrong. But, if you go by what he wrote he's not wrong, or he's not right. Hmmm...or maybe he's just really dumb.

Not ineligible? Doesn’t that mean the Steelers are eligible? Very easy to misunderstand the way he wrote it

[Mojouw]

From prior years, it has a LOT to do with contract size.

If I’m wrong, they why the EFF would the Steelers sign ANY of these guys???

It’s a good question. Kaboly retracted his tweets. But it still underscores how ridiculous is that he doesn’t know this stuff.

From what I can tell from Over the Cap, you first have to have more guys leave. That makes you eligible for comp picks. Then the amount of the contract is the dominant factor in determining what round you get comped.

But that was spending five minutes looking at one less than clear website.

But if ANY of these guys lessens your chances at comp picks in ANY way...why not wait? Was there a rush to sign Kalen Ballage?

[pczach]

From prior years, it has a LOT to do with contract size.

If I’m wrong, they why the EFF would the Steelers sign ANY of these guys???

Exactly. The Patriots got tons of compensatory picks for years. Any time a player is released, you have to replace that player on the roster. It's a simple numbers game.

I know that you are expected to fill needs in the draft, but who relies on the draft more than the Steelers?

If that were the case and every player that was released can't be replaced no matter the size of the contract, no team would ever get comp picks because they have to sign people to fill the roster and field a team.

[Mojouw]

Doesn’t it have to do with when you sign guys as well?

[pczach]

Doesn’t it have to do with when you sign guys as well?

As far as I know, it does. But the value of the contracts matters as I understand it.

In other words, Bud Dupree leaving for a gagillion dollars is not equal to signing the Coward of the county for a buck seventy five!

[pczach]

This is the best breakdown of the actual agreement and showing the actually wording from the Collective Bargaining Agreement in 2020. It's from Overthecap.com

https://overthecap.com/the-basics-an...y-draft-picks/

Good luck getting a definitive answer to any question you may have.

[Mojouw]

This is the best breakdown of the actual agreement and showing the actually wording from the Collective Bargaining Agreement in 2020. It's from Overthecap.com

https://overthecap.com/the-basics-an...y-draft-picks/

Good luck getting a definitive answer to any question you may have.

Looks like the key part is the % the incoming and outgoing players are at.

So Dupree would be “cancelled out” by any incoming player that is the top 35% of players at their position.

So...Ballage is not that because of his minimum salary. Coward is not because he was non-tendered by his previous team.

Long story short, guys ping ponging around on minimum deals just aren’t part of comp picks. I think...

[teegre]

It’s a good question. Kaboly retracted his tweets. But it still underscores how ridiculous is that he doesn’t know this stuff.

From what I can tell from Over the Cap, you first have to have more guys leave. That makes you eligible for comp picks. Then the amount of the contract is the dominant factor in determining what round you get comped.

But that was spending five minutes looking at one less than clear website.

But if ANY of these guys lessens your chances at comp picks in ANY way...why not wait? Was there a rush to sign Kalen Ballage?

EXACTLY!!!

Go with what you have... and pick up a couple of undrafted rookie free agents after the draft.

[Fire Goodell]

they won't not be non uneligible for a comp pick

[Mojouw]

In today’s “Steelers paid reporters suck at their jobs” episode, we have Ed Bouchette mumbling about the possible signing of Leonard Fournette. You know, a player that signed a contract a week ago.

If Bouchette and Kaboly can’t be bothered to get details right in off-season articles, why should anyone buy what they write during the season?

[86WARD]

In today’s “Steelers paid reporters suck at their jobs” episode, we have Ed Bouchette mumbling about the possible signing of Leonard Fournette. You know, a player that signed a contract a week ago.

If Bouchette and Kaboly can’t be bothered to get details right in off-season articles, why should anyone buy what they write during the season?

Is that for real?!? He blocked me on Twitter because I questioned one of his articles. Lol.

[Mojouw]

Is that for real?!? He blocked me on Twitter because I questioned one of his articles. Lol.

It was in his mailbag for "The Athletic" today.

Bouchette is just a joke. I would love to have his job or any job where I could objectively stink at it as clearly as he does and still be employed. He basically puts as much effort into it as we all do for our discussions here. Often, less. I can only guess at what he gets paid...but I bet it is a nice tidy sum.

[86WARD]

It was in his mailbag for "The Athletic" today.

Bouchette is just a joke. I would love to have his job or any job where I could objectively stink at it as clearly as he does and still be employed. He basically puts as much effort into it as we all do for our discussions here. Often, less. I can only guess at what he gets paid...but I bet it is a nice tidy sum.

Amazing. I think most people here (most) put more effort into their posts and if they are wrong, they usually will acknowledge it and use it as a learning experience. He does not. Lol.

[pczach]

It was in his mailbag for "The Athletic" today.

Bouchette is just a joke. I would love to have his job or any job where I could objectively stink at it as clearly as he does and still be employed. He basically puts as much effort into it as we all do for our discussions here. Often, less. I can only guess at what he gets paid...but I bet it is a nice tidy sum.

Douchette is an arrogant ass, and he has been mailing it in for years.

I haven't taken much of what he says seriously for years now. I really can't stand his attitude. He talks down to everyone while talking out of his ass instead of doing real work and informing people anymore.

I don't understand how he has a job at this point.

[fansince'76]

The comp pick "formula" is a well-guarded NFL secret, which is one of the biggest problems with it.

[teegre]

In Omar Khan I trust. The Steelers have had the fifth most comp picks in NFL history.

[86WARD]

Sean Davis got signed by the Colts...so maybe they get one comp pick now!! Lol.

[pczach]

Here's a new article clarifying and correcting the current state of the Steelers comp picks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...?ocid=msedgntp

[Mojouw]

Here's a new article clarifying and correcting the current state of the Steelers comp picks.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...?ocid=msedgntp

Thanks! That actually makes a great deal of sense.

[Dwinsgames]

Thanks! That actually makes a great deal of sense.

basically post 2 of this thread