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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    No need to make this about me. Trust me, I have been able to work thru the entire pandemic and able to donate to some charities, local businesses and food banks to help others, while getting to spend more time with my wife and kids than usual. I'm fine.

    You have been spouting a variety of conspiracy theories, coupled with anger and hateful speech. This isnt uncommon in these times and can really be signs of somebody in need of support. Below is a link to a good article that can shed some light on how a lot of the disinformation feeds the conspiracy theories and how to break free of their grip. Good luck.


    How I talk to the victims of conspiracy theories
    By Marianna Spring
    Specialist disinformation reporter, BBC News

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    1 November 2020

    ...but the kinds of stories I hear about are something else entirely.

    They are tales of sinister plots - supposed plans to implant microchips in the world's population and kill and enslave billions. Or completely unscientific ideas - that the virus somehow "doesn't exist" and that the health authorities are completely wrong.

    Many of us are feeling very anxious about the pandemic, and conspiracy theories give simple, satisfying answers to a problem that seems overwhelmingly complex.

    Psychologists like Jovan Byford from the Open University tell me that a good strategy is to try to get to the bottom of the person's legitimate concerns and to find out how they are feeling.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-54738471


    Look, I know you're trying really really hard to be clever, but try as you might, you are just not getting anywhere with this and you are at a dead end. People can see that you have zero credibility to be giving out psychological advice, and based on the way you tend to act, it reflects far more poorly on yourself than it does on me. I guess keep it up if you want to look like more of a jackass.

    If the cartoonish condescenscion toward others is not a joke - and it's difficult to imagine it is, unless you are a world-class role player - it is just screaming all kinds of shallowness and insecurity. People who are truly happy and successful don't need to boast about it, or try to belittle strangers to pump themselves up.

    I could go on at length about the kinds of problems that those people tend to experience as a result of their, ahem, sparkling personalities, but no one needs me to explain it; we have all known plenty of people like that.
    See you Space Cowboy ...

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    When even Alex Jones thinks QAnon is bullshit lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    When even Alex Jones thinks QAnon is bullshit lol

    I don't think many people disagree that QAnon is bullshit.

    However, once the left discovered them and started using that as a label to try and discredit anything they disagreed with - including many things that clearly had nothing to do with the actual Qanon - it became meaningless. For example, trying to downplay all complaints about COVID restrictions or election fraud with the label "QAnon conspiracy theories," making it into nothing more than a buzzword that liberals use to reinforce themselves.

    I get what they are doing - trying to marginalize their opponents by equating even mainstream criticism with dangerous crackpot extremism - but it is too transparently obvious to achieve much besides stir up resentment. And I don't really think that trying to marginalize over 50% of the population is a very productive strategy in any case. Unity and healing, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    When even Alex Jones thinks QAnon is bullshit lol

    Its funny for those of us that find it incredible how people can fall for such outlandish conspiracies', but lots of cases where a family member falls into the Q cult and it breaks families up.

    I know a marriage killed by QAnon and Trump, with help from alienation | QAnon | The Guardian

    How Conspiracy Theories Like QAnon Affect Relationships (esquire.com)

    People Tell Us How QAnon Destroyed Their Relationships (vice.com)

    Its way more crazy than people thinking that voting machines without modems were hacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    I don't think many people disagree that QAnon is bullshit.

    However, once the left discovered them and started using that as a label to try and discredit anything they disagreed with - including many things that clearly had nothing to do with the actual Qanon - it became meaningless. For example, trying to downplay all complaints about COVID restrictions or election fraud with the label "QAnon conspiracy theories," making it into nothing more than a buzzword that liberals use to reinforce themselves.

    I get what they are doing - trying to marginalize their opponents by equating even mainstream criticism with dangerous crackpot extremism - but it is too transparently obvious to achieve much besides stir up resentment. And I don't really think that trying to marginalize over 50% of the population is a very productive strategy in any case. Unity and healing, though.
    I wasn't taking a shot at the right here, I do know that QAnon is a fringe group that really just a few insane people associate with and not a picture of conservatives. I just thought it was a funny video, and a bit surprising that QAnon and Alex Jones weren't natural allies lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Its funny for those of us that find it incredible how people can fall for such outlandish conspiracies', but lots of cases where a family member falls into the Q cult and it breaks families up.

    I know a marriage killed by QAnon and Trump, with help from alienation | QAnon | The Guardian

    How Conspiracy Theories Like QAnon Affect Relationships (esquire.com)

    People Tell Us How QAnon Destroyed Their Relationships (vice.com)

    Its way more crazy than people thinking that voting machines without modems were hacked.
    It's true, kinda sad to admit it but my ex wife was a conspiracy theorist that went down that rabbit hole (which is one of the reasons why i'm uber hostile toward conspiracy theories in general).

    She believed that the elite democrats were some satanic child pedophile cult, the queen of england was a reptilian lizard alien, vaccines and GMO foods were designed to make everyone sterile and lower the world population to 1 billion in 30 years, etc. I thought it was a phase since she was normal in the beginning. But the shit just got worse over time and eventually i didn't know who the hell she was anymore. Eventually I was also evil and part of 'the system / establishment' or another sheep "stuck in the matrix" because I wouldn't buy into all that bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Goodell View Post
    I wasn't taking a shot at the right here, I do know that QAnon is a fringe group that really just a few insane people associate with and not a picture of conservatives. I just thought it was a funny video, and a bit surprising that QAnon and Alex Jones weren't natural allies lol
    I honestly think Alex Jones is more of a shock jock than a real conspiracy nut. He says crazy things and has developed a bigger-than-life crazy personality, but I think a lot of that is on purpose. Still not the most credible news source in the world, but you wouldn't get your news from a cartoon character if you had any sense anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    I honestly think Alex Jones is more of a shock jock than a real conspiracy nut. He says crazy things and has developed a bigger-than-life crazy personality, but I think a lot of that is on purpose. Still not the most credible news source in the world, but you wouldn't get your news from a cartoon character if you had any sense anyway.
    It's like reading anything you post...it comes from a cartoon character...but it's not funny....just sad and out of touch with reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    I don't think many people disagree that QAnon is bullshit.

    However, once the left discovered them and started using that as a label to try and discredit anything they disagreed with - including many things that clearly had nothing to do with the actual Qanon - it became meaningless. For example, trying to downplay all complaints about COVID restrictions or election fraud with the label "QAnon conspiracy theories," making it into nothing more than a buzzword that liberals use to reinforce themselves.

    I get what they are doing - trying to marginalize their opponents by equating even mainstream criticism with dangerous crackpot extremism - but it is too transparently obvious to achieve much besides stir up resentment. And I don't really think that trying to marginalize over 50% of the population is a very productive strategy in any case. Unity and healing, though.
    Its good to know that you realize the whole Qanon thing is "bullshit" as you say. I just was getting concerned that you were so intently pinning your hopes of the disputed election on the legal greats of Jenna Ellis and the Barnes and Noble law firms.

    Also, your reluctance to accept that events like the plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan and the car attack on a crowd of protestors even happened, seem to be a departure from actual reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Oh my god, please don't tell me you still think people were "running over protesters with their cars." Did you not see how in every last one of those, the protesters swarmed the car and tried to attack the driver, then stupidly ran in front of it and pushed on the hood as it tried to drive away? This is the second time you've mentioned it, so apparently you really don't know.

    To the best of my knowledge, the only attempt to "kidnap governors" was an FBI sting to recruit people to a honeypot. Not the brightest people to fall for that, I'm sure, but there was no plot. That particular governor is long overdue for prison in any case.
    There have been actual charges and convictions in 1 and trial set for the other event. I hope that is proof for you that those events actually happened.

    Charlottesville attacker apologizes as he is jailed for life

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48806265

    6 suspects in Whitmer kidnapping plot set to stand trial in March

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ch/4178558001/

    I hope that you know that people actually did land on the moon as well. Please consider talking to somebody in person about this departure from reality. It cant hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Also, your reluctance to accept that events like the plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan and the car attack on a crowd of protestors even happened, seem to be a departure from actual reality.
    Not in the slightest.

    You see, one lunatic running over other lunatics at an event that happened years ago is not even remotely the same thing as what was happening in the recent past. No one is "plowing through crowds of protesters." We all know this, and you know this too. You are just selectively playing dumb to try and drag out an argument.

    Same thing with the "kidnapping plot." Surely you know the difference between an actual criminal plot, and undercover law enforcement trying to draw questionable characters to their own fictional plot. The people in question may well have broken the law, but there was no "plot." It happens all the time, and it was well-documented in this case. Of course, you already know this too, but are selectively playing dumb again just to be a dick. Oh but aren't you so smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Not in the slightest.

    You see, one lunatic running over other lunatics at an event that happened years ago is not even remotely the same thing as what was happening in the recent past. No one is "plowing through crowds of protesters." We all know this, and you know this too. You are just selectively playing dumb to try and drag out an argument.


    Same thing with the "kidnapping plot." Surely you know the difference between an actual criminal plot, and undercover law enforcement trying to draw questionable characters to their own fictional plot. The people in question may well have broken the law, but there was no "plot." It happens all the time, and it was well-documented in this case. Of course, you already know this too, but are selectively playing dumb again just to be a dick. Oh but aren't you so smart.
    More evidence to prove my point.

    Sorry to resort to petty name calling and unsophisticated ball busting, but there’s no bigger douchebag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancoLambert View Post
    More evidence to prove my point.

    Sorry to resort to petty name calling and unsophisticated ball busting, but there’s no bigger douchebag.
    I see you still haven’t grasped the context of ball busting. You got the petty name calling correct though.

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    Interesting how little activity there has been in “Soapbox”, since tom has departed.

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    It's probably because everyone is tired of politics, on both sides. There is nothing left to discus... like it matters any way. Both parties are nothing but children fighting with each other. None of us are right and none of us are wrong... we're just the lucky ones stuck in the middle of the shit show. Fuck politicians... every last one of them.

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    I know it's a "YouTube cartoon". I find it more than a little unsettling. Thoughts?

    https://youtu.be/IQPsKvG6WMI

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    It's probably because everyone is tired of politics, on both sides. There is nothing left to discus....
    Agreed. Things are pretty much settled for the next 4 years. And if the Republican party fractures into 2 distinct factions as it looks like, then at least 8 years, if not more, of a Democrat President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Agreed. Things are pretty much settled for the next 4 years. And if the Republican party fractures into 2 distinct factions as it looks like, then at least 8 years, if not more, of a Democrat President.
    We'll see. The Democrats are doing a good job of fracturing off into two distinct factions, also. Like I said.... we are all just stuck in the middle. Isn't that a song?...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    It's probably because everyone is tired of politics, on both sides. There is nothing left to discus... like it matters any way. Both parties are nothing but children fighting with each other. None of us are right and none of us are wrong... we're just the lucky ones stuck in the middle of the shit show. Fuck politicians... every last one of them.
    plenty left to discuss but it’s a waste of air. I knew Biden would ruin country but has exceeded my expectations by how fast he’s done it. I guess it’s good for those who voted for lost jobs, 15 dollar minimum wage which will actually lose jobs and kill small businesses, unequal playing field for women’s sports, letting people use whatever bathroom or locker room they want no matter what sex they were born, mass immigration, amnesty, open borders as well as demanding ICE let criminals back into population including sex offenders. Apparently the sex offenders release was an error and they remain in custody but you can bet some will be released erroneously, just wait. That’s enough for now but plenty more to come. That’s right he also admitted nothing can change covid trajectory and wants to have domestic travel ban. Oh and still waiting for him to hand out 2 grand to some, not that I should care I won’t see any cash. Oh wait it’s only 1400 now just above crumbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubanstogie View Post
    plenty left to discuss but it’s a waste of air. I knew Biden would ruin country but has exceeded my expectations by how fast he’s done it. I guess it’s good for those who voted for lost jobs, 15 dollar minimum wage which will actually lose jobs and kill small businesses, unequal playing field for women’s sports, letting people use whatever bathroom or locker room they want no matter what sex they were born, mass immigration, amnesty, open borders as well as demanding ICE let criminals back into population including sex offenders. Apparently the sex offenders release was an error and they remain in custody but you can bet some will be released erroneously, just wait. That’s enough for now but plenty more to come. That’s right he also admitted nothing can change covid trajectory and wants to have domestic travel ban. Oh and still waiting for him to hand out 2 grand to some, not that I should care I won’t see any cash. Oh wait it’s only 1400 now just above crumbs.
    I agree with you. But, it's a waste of time to bother with it. Things are what they are. No one is going to change anyone's mind with any amount of "discussion".

    I've decided to just sit back and watch the destruction of the country and my life, as it was.. I have given up hope of ever going back to work. I'm sure I can find a job but, I'll lose everything I worked for and live like a bum until I die. No one is going to pay a 61 year old guy the money it would take to sustain the life I have at the moment. There are no jobs in my field to be had.... and $15.00 an hour minimum wage in a fast food joint won't cut it.

    Fuck it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver & black View Post
    I agree with you. But, it's a waste of time to bother with it. Things are what they are. No one is going to change anyone's mind with any amount of "discussion".

    I've decided to just sit back and watch the destruction of the country and my life, as it was.. I have given up hope of ever going back to work. I'm sure I can find a job but, I'll lose everything I worked for and live like a bum until I die. No one is going to pay a 61 year old guy the money it would take to sustain the life I have at the moment. There are no jobs in my field to be had.... and $15.00 an hour minimum wage in a fast food joint won't cut it.

    Fuck it.
    I’m truly sorry, this virus has effected some harder than others. I have a buddy who opened a gym and he’s lost his ass, another buddy sells booze and is still killing it. Both solid guys , all to save the low hanging fruit. I know that sounds bad but the old and sick are the ones that need to shelter in place and get assistance. School kids and healthy adults need to live their life and provide for family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubanstogie View Post
    I’m truly sorry, this virus has effected some harder than others. I have a buddy who opened a gym and he’s lost his ass, another buddy sells booze and is still killing it. Both solid guys , all to save the low hanging fruit. I know that sounds bad but the old and sick are the ones that need to shelter in place and get assistance. School kids and healthy adults need to live their life and provide for family.
    Well, right now we have a disease that - if you believe the absolute high end, worst-case, all-inclusive figure - has managed to kill roughly one-tenth of one percent of the population over the course of an entire year. Most of which is among a demographic that has a death rate of around 10 percent per year just by existing. Not exactly the second coming of the Black Death.

    Nothing should have been shut down. It was illegal to shut most of it down in the first place. Hundreds if not thousands of people should be spending the rest of their lives in prison over it. Instead they will all get off scot-free as a result of the fraud that they were highly motivated to assist, or at least ignore. And yet a frightening number of people out there still believe crazy conspiracy theories, like Joe Biden won the election legitimately, or that the Democrats have widespread support after a year's worth of universally repulsive behavior.

    But no, you're the crazy one. Maybe we will hear more from El Gonzo Jackson about how great he is and how everybody else must be so miserable and unsuccessful in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Well, right now we have a disease that - if you believe the absolute high end, worst-case, all-inclusive figure - has managed to kill roughly one-tenth of one percent of the population over the course of an entire year. Most of which is among a demographic that has a death rate of around 10 percent per year just by existing. Not exactly the second coming of the Black Death.

    Nothing should have been shut down. It was illegal to shut most of it down in the first place. Hundreds if not thousands of people should be spending the rest of their lives in prison over it. Instead they will all get off scot-free as a result of the fraud that they were highly motivated to assist, or at least ignore. And yet a frightening number of people out there still believe crazy conspiracy theories, like Joe Biden won the election legitimately, or that the Democrats have widespread support after a year's worth of universally repulsive behavior.

    But no, you're the crazy one. Maybe we will hear more from El Gonzo Jackson about how great he is and how everybody else must be so miserable and unsuccessful in life.
    Good to see that you are back. Were you able to talk with anybody about your theories and maybe gain a new perspective?

    I know this isnt specific to you as you denounce the Qanon movement, but the woman in this video explains how she didn't just buy into a grand conspiracy all at once, but rather kept getting more smaller bits of information that eventually lead to the giant snowball of believing the grand conspiracy theory.

    It may be a parallel to your beliefs of this large election fraud conspiracy, or that Democrats are conspiring to ruin your life, etc. It might provide some enlightenment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Good to see that you are back. Were you able to talk with anybody about your theories and maybe gain a new perspective?

    I know this isnt specific to you as you denounce the Qanon movement, but the woman in this video explains how she didn't just buy into a grand conspiracy all at once, but rather kept getting more smaller bits of information that eventually lead to the giant snowball of believing the grand conspiracy theory.

    It may be a parallel to your beliefs of this large election fraud conspiracy, or that Democrats are conspiring to ruin your life, etc. It might provide some enlightenment.


    Right on cue and smug as ever, I see.

    It is always extremely ironic to see liberals saying that others are delusional or have been taken in by lies and conspiracy theories. After all, they are the ones who live in a fantastic land of make-believe that they have spent years constructing for themselves, in which there's a racist lurking on every street corner, and common sense is offensive, and we perpetually move from one imagined crisis to the next. Really the height of la-la land.

    But keep saying that it's everyone else who is delusional. As one famous liberal thought leader said, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelreserve View Post
    Right on cue and smug as ever, I see.

    It is always extremely ironic to see liberals saying that others are delusional or have been taken in by lies and conspiracy theories. After all, they are the ones who live in a fantastic land of make-believe that they have spent years constructing for themselves, in which there's a racist lurking on every street corner, and common sense is offensive, and we perpetually move from one imagined crisis to the next. Really the height of la-la land.

    But keep saying that it's everyone else who is delusional. As one famous liberal thought leader said, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.
    OK, I see you have not made any progress towards facing reality. Can you at least come to the reality that what the Barnes Law firm and crazy Uncle Guilani were peddling nothing more than lies, so that the former president could raise money in the name of a "legal defense" that had no merits?

    Now all that is going on is that the former president is smugly counting the millions he made off the well crafted conspiracy theories that his team pushed and is amused that people are still buying the con. Coming to grips with that would be a good step in moving forward in the direction of reality.


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    Weird how everyone associated with the part of the "individual" and the "gritty self-made person" ALL start crowd-funding and donation drives as soon as the law comes for them. Plus, I thought the Trumpster had all the money, so much money, the biggest monies, because he is the art of the deal? So why does he need your cash so darn bad?

    Y'all got grifted. Happens some times...In fact...I have this miracle tonic I want to cut you in on. You see, you sell it to five people, then they sell it to five people, and you each send your cash to me. Totally legit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    OK, I see you have not made any progress towards facing reality. Can you at least come to the reality that what the Barnes Law firm and crazy Uncle Guilani were peddling nothing more than lies, so that the former president could raise money in the name of a "legal defense" that had no merits?

    Now all that is going on is that the former president is smugly counting the millions he made off the well crafted conspiracy theories that his team pushed and is amused that people are still buying the con. Coming to grips with that would be a good step in moving forward in the direction of reality.

    I see you are still harping on the go-to talking point about it all being a big show for the purpose of tricking people out of money. I guess that makes a nice sound bite for the least intelligent, except that it really doesn't make any sense.

    I am as bewildered as anyone as to how or why all the fraud claims never went anywhere. For the most part, they were not refuted, they were simply ignored, and we heard a a lot of how-dare-yous. Not exactly convincing proof of a legitimate outcome. I suppose the Trump side just was not prepared enough to have a legitimate smoking gun. Doesn't mean it didn't happen; it was clear as day, and they practically announced their intentions months in advance. But please keep laughing about how you punched yourself in the face, it continues to make you look oh so smart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Weird how everyone associated with the part of the "individual" and the "gritty self-made person" ALL start crowd-funding and donation drives as soon as the law comes for them. Plus, I thought the Trumpster had all the money, so much money, the biggest monies, because he is the art of the deal? So why does he need your cash so darn bad?

    Y'all got grifted. Happens some times...In fact...I have this miracle tonic I want to cut you in on. You see, you sell it to five people, then they sell it to five people, and you each send your cash to me. Totally legit...
    Imagine being a Democrat, and thinking someone else was the one who got conned by a smooth-talking politician who told them what they wanted to hear.
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    Weird how everyone associated with the part of the "individual" and the "gritty self-made person" ALL start crowd-funding and donation drives as soon as the law comes for them. Plus, I thought the Trumpster had all the money, so much money, the biggest monies, because he is the art of the deal? So why does he need your cash so darn bad?

    Y'all got grifted. Happens some times...In fact...I have this miracle tonic I want to cut you in on. You see, you sell it to five people, then they sell it to five people, and you each send your cash to me. Totally legit...
    I realize we (me included) like to group all trump supporters and Blm, antifa etc... together as in some kind of cult. Not the case with anyone I know. Don’t know how many stormed capital, those are the “cult followers “. The rest of us want lower taxes so government not wasting our money we give them on pakistani gender crap, secure borders , peace through strength, the list goes on. We don’t want amnesty, energy dependence, jobs killed and men kicking women’s asses in sports because they couldn’t compete against real men. Simple as that, In 4 years I will vote Camela out, whether Trump in picture or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Weird how everyone associated with the part of the "individual" and the "gritty self-made person" ALL start crowd-funding and donation drives as soon as the law comes for them. Plus, I thought the Trumpster had all the money, so much money, the biggest monies, because he is the art of the deal? So why does he need your cash so darn bad?

    Y'all got grifted. Happens some times...In fact...I have this miracle tonic I want to cut you in on. You see, you sell it to five people, then they sell it to five people, and you each send your cash to me. Totally legit...
    I think you are on to something there. The same rubes that got grifted by Betsy DeVos family with Amway, got grifted by 45 and are still likely not done getting conned. Put a red cap on it and some fine print like "Makes you feel Great Again" and I bet you have a winning business plan.

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    I realize we (me included) like to group all trump supporters and Blm, antifa etc... together as in some kind of cult. Not the case with anyone I know. Don’t know how many stormed capital, those are the “cult followers “. The rest of us want lower taxes so government not wasting our money we give them on pakistani gender crap, secure borders , peace through strength, the list goes on. We don’t want amnesty, energy dependence, jobs killed and men kicking women’s asses in sports because they couldn’t compete against real men. Simple as that, In 4 years I will vote Camela out, whether Trump in picture or not.
    So do you want to tamp down or even eliminate terrorist recruitment in places like Pakistan? Probably, most of us do. Big economic and social problems in Pakistan contributes to the disaffection (and then subsequent radicalization) of young men - fairly reasonable statement. The counter-intuitive thing is that the treatment of women is a massive contributor to those problems. Women not being compensated (or in some places allowed to) for work. Women not being educated so they can not be a stabilizing influence in the home and push back against radical ideas and doctrines. The list goes on. But elevating women to a powerful and equal place in Pakistani society, particularly rural and poor Pakistan (where terrorism hides out and festers) would be a massive step towards extinguishing the conditions that drive hatred in the region.

    Everything is connected and these odd sounding aid programs are not typically done for touchy-feely altruistic reasons. They are usually done for incredibly self-serving ones. Working towards gender equality and other issues in places like Pakistan is a component of eliminating the conditions that breed terrorism. Is it the only one? Not at all. Is it the best one? Perhaps not. But it is all part of an interconnected solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    I think you are on to something there. The same rubes that got grifted by Betsy DeVos family with Amway, got grifted by 45 and are still likely not done getting conned. Put a red cap on it and some fine print like "Makes you feel Great Again" and I bet you have a winning business plan.
    Shhhh!!! You will make too many people feel bad about themselves and then you will get kicked out for trolling.

    Being a Republican politician must be a blast. Blame everything on the libs. Never actually present a plan for governing -- just a list of things that are evil liberal plots to destroy America. Vote against anything that seems like a "handout". Vote for everything that your uber-wealthy donors want you to. Then if you get in trouble for any of the shady crap you did -- just go on Twitter and ask for a bailout so the nefarious liberal media won't cancel you!

    Sure beats working for a living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    So do you want to tamp down or even eliminate terrorist recruitment in places like Pakistan? Probably, most of us do. Big economic and social problems in Pakistan contributes to the disaffection (and then subsequent radicalization) of young men - fairly reasonable statement. The counter-intuitive thing is that the treatment of women is a massive contributor to those problems. Women not being compensated (or in some places allowed to) for work. Women not being educated so they can not be a stabilizing influence in the home and push back against radical ideas and doctrines. The list goes on. But elevating women to a powerful and equal place in Pakistani society, particularly rural and poor Pakistan (where terrorism hides out and festers) would be a massive step towards extinguishing the conditions that drive hatred in the region.

    Everything is connected and these odd sounding aid programs are not typically done for touchy-feely altruistic reasons. They are usually done for incredibly self-serving ones. Working towards gender equality and other issues in places like Pakistan is a component of eliminating the conditions that breed terrorism. Is it the only one? Not at all. Is it the best one? Perhaps not. But it is all part of an interconnected solution.
    well you have more faith in government than I do if this is a proactive program, and actually has success. Personally when I see homeless camps everywhere and people in our country hurting due to pandemic sending all that cash to other countries feels to me like a slap in face. As you could guess I’m not for people living on handouts, but certainly think most people deserve help til they get back on feet. And during covid even more, I count my lucky stars every day my income has been unchanged, most cant say the same. Maybe the money given to foreign countries will pay dividends, I just think packaging in a stimulus where American are hurting is wrong. Both parties to blame equally as far as Im concerned.

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