The Future QB of the Steelers is...

[pczach]

That is a lot of teams that would be interested in an overpriced, injury-risk, below average QB...

I don't understand why anybody would be interested in Watson as their quarterback. What a loser...




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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...k-for-a-trade/

Do you need a paper bag to breathe into?

[DesertSteel]

That is a lot of teams that would be interested in an overpriced, injury-risk, below average QB...

Lol... you missed your calling as a bad GM...

[teegre]

That is a lot of teams that would be interested in an overpriced, injury-risk, below average QB...

I see that Six Rings wants to criticize Watson for "only" winning 4 games and/or for only having a 1-2 record in the playoffs, but BoB left that team in shambles. Honestly, I am surprised Watson was able to keep most of those games competitive.

btw: Seeing JJ apologize to Deshaun at the end of the season finale got me thinking... maybe JJ will suggest that Deshaun request a trade to play with JJ's brother(s).

[DesertSteel]

QBs I'd want, in order:

1. Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Deshaun Watson
5. Russell Wilson

[Mojouw]

I see that Six Rings wants to criticize Watson for "only" winning 4 games and/or for only having a 1-2 record in the playoffs, but BoB left that team in shambles. Honestly, I am surprised Watson was able to keep most of those games competitive.

btw: Seeing JJ apologize to Deshaun at the end of the season finale got me thinking... maybe JJ will suggest that Deshaun request a trade to play with JJ's brother(s).

I fully realize it is not going to happen, but JJ and Deshaun using player empowerment methods to force their way out of Houston and to Pittsburgh would be a great cosmic balance for putting up with AB and Bell as fans.

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QBs I'd want, in order:

1. Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Deshaun Watson
5. Russell Wilson

Great list. I have an order that I would prefer the five guys...but can't really get too upset over the names you came up with.

[teegre]

I fully realize it is not going to happen, but JJ and Deshaun using player empowerment methods to force their way out of Houston and to Pittsburgh would be a great cosmic balance for putting up with AB and Bell as fans.

Amen!!!

Really though, my gut tells me that if JJ is released (which the rumors are saying will occur), he will come to the Steelers to play with his brothers for a really, really, reeeeally reduced rate (like $3-4 million).

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QBs I'd want, in order:

1. Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Deshaun Watson
5. Russell Wilson

Not saying he is the best talent, but if I got to choose, give me Herbert.

Why?

He would still be on his rookie contract for the next four seasons. With that extra $30-$35 million per season, you could "keep the gang together" and still have an upper-echelon QB. (It is why the rumors of Urban Meyer coming the the Chargers have some validity.)

[DesertSteel]

If I knew for sure that Herbert would continue his performance and improve in year 2, I’d put him #2 and possibly #1.

[hawaiiansteeler]

I see that Six Rings wants to criticize Watson for "only" winning 4 games and/or for only having a 1-2 record in the playoffs, but BoB left that team in shambles. Honestly, I am surprised Watson was able to keep most of those games competitive.

I didn't realize Watson also played on Houston's horrible defense.

[Mojouw]

Amen!!!

Really though, my gut tells me that if JJ is released (which the rumors are saying will occur), he will come to the Steelers to play with his brothers for a really, really, reeeeally reduced rate (like $3-4 million).

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Not saying he is the best talent, but if I got to choose, give me Herbert.

Why?

He would still be on his rookie contract for the next four seasons. With that extra $30-$35 million per season, you could "keep the gang together" and still have an upper-echelon QB. (It is why the rumors of Urban Meyer coming the the Chargers have some validity.)

Most recent few days of reports out of Houston sound like a franchise imploding.

I wouldn’t be shocked if they just burn it all down and start over.

[Steeler-in-west]

If Watson didn’t have any talent to work, Darnold didn’t as well. I haven’t seen much of Watson’s play but I’ve seen Darnold mostly in college, I know he can play. They both seem like somewhat similar Qb’s (both mobile) and they could both benefit being with the Steelers. but realistically if Ben were to retire after this season I see the Steelers going with Rudolph and Dobbs next year with possibly the addition of an older vet QB as insurance and maybe trying to get a franchise QB in the draft later.

[cubanstogie]

If we had watson this year our offense would be as explosive as KC. Top 5 in league IMO.

[teegre]

I didn't realize Watson also played on Houston's horrible defense.

He couldn’t have been much worse...

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Most recent few days of reports out of Houston sound like a franchise imploding.

I wouldn’t be shocked if they just burn it all down and start over.

BoB drilled the holes, inserted the dynamite, and raised the plunger...

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If Watson didn’t have any talent to work, Darnold didn’t as well. I haven’t seen much of Watson’s play but I’ve seen Darnold mostly in college, I know he can play. They both seem like somewhat similar Qb’s (both mobile) and they could both benefit being with the Steelers. but realistically if Ben were to retire after this season I see the Steelers going with Rudolph and Dobbs next year with possibly the addition of an older vet QB as insurance and maybe trying to get a franchise QB in the draft later.

Indeed Darnold has been mentioned many times over the past few months.

Watson is proven; thus, he would require a lot to acquire. While Darnold has potential, he isn’t a sure thing; so, he could likely be had for a R2 pick. (Stafford would probably require a R1 and a R2 pick.)

If the Steelers don’t trade for a QB, I’d draft one every single year until you hit the jackpot.

[86WARD]

So let’s say they do trade for Watson and they released Ben. Cap situation? I imagine extending Watson to manipulate his 2021 cap number (to go along with Ben’s dead money) is a must so they can free up space for Watt, Fitzpatrick, Hilton, JuJu or whoever? Or is it even possible? If so, what’s that going to look like?

[teegre]

So let’s say they do trade for Watson and they released Ben. Cap situation? I imagine extending Watson to manipulate his 2021 cap number (to go along with Ben’s dead money) is a must so they can free up space for Watt, Fitzpatrick, Hilton, JuJu or whoever? Or is it even possible? If so, what’s that going to look like?

Watson has the following amounts of money left on his contract (salary & bonuses):

2021: $16 million
2022: $40 million
2023: $42 million
2024: $37 million
2025: $32 million

2021 isn’t bad at all. Assuming he plays until 2028, you take that other $149 million and add (let’s say) $51 million extension. That is $20 million per season. What you do is push a little bit back during the first few years (when you need to win a championship) so that you can keep TJ, Hilton, and JuJu. You also play off the signing bonus/guaranteed money as early as possible, that way the final season(s) of the contract are voidable. In turn, it would look like this:

2021: $15 million
2022: $15 million
2023: $15 million
2024: $15 million
2025: $30 million
2026: $30 million
2027: $35 million
2028: $45 million

In fact, that’s sort of what the Texans had already done. He only made $9 million this past season, and the last two years of his contract are “salary only” (that way they “could” cut him without a penalty). As his current contract is, 2021 is another cheap year, while 2022-23 are expensive and guaranteed, and then, 2024-25 giving them wiggle room.

[Six Rings]

Watson has the following amounts of money left on his contract (salary & bonuses):

2021: $16 million
2022: $40 million
2023: $42 million
2024: $37 million
2025: $32 million

2021 isn’t bad at all. Assuming he plays until 2028, you take that other $149 million and add (let’s say) $51 million extension. That is $20 million per season. What you do is push a little bit back during the first few years (when you need to win a championship) so that you can keep TJ, Hilton, and JuJu. You also play off the signing bonus/guaranteed money as early as possible, that way the final season(s) of the contract are voidable. In turn, it would look like this:

2021: $15 million
2022: $15 million
2023: $15 million
2024: $15 million
2025: $30 million
2026: $30 million
2027: $35 million
2028: $45 million

In fact, that’s sort of what the Texans had already done. He only made $9 million this past season, and the last two years of his contract are “salary only” (that way they “could” cut him without a penalty). As his current contract is, 2021 is another cheap year, while 2022-23 are expensive and guaranteed, and then, 2024-25 giving them wiggle room.

The Steelers are currently Negative

-($21,789,219) over the cap.

1 ) There is a good chance that the cap will go down, making it even tougher on us.
2 ) We need cut people ( Likely Williams and McDonald ) just to come close to even and we also need room to sign the rookies
3 ) We own Ben 41,2 million next year. If he's cut, we own him 19 million.
4 ) We have free agents galore this off season https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-age...urgh-steelers/

Trading or having enough cap space for any good QB is fantasy.

[teegre]

@Six Rings

If the cap stays “as is”, then it will indeed be difficult to keep anyone. That said...

1) I think that by the owners adding a 17th game to the schedule, the NFLPA will respond by forcing the salary cap to go up. Honestly, the NFL owners get the vast majority of its revenue from its television deal; the owners certainly aren’t “losing” as much money (from lack of ticket sales) as they try to make it seem. The “cap going down” is a simply a negotiation tactic.

2) In Khan I trust.

3) We dealt with $22 million in dead money for an asshat (AB); I’m perfectly fine with dealing with $19 million for Steelers-legend Ben Roethlisberger (when he retires with a third Lombardi in his grasp).

[teegre]

The Texans’ new GM, Nick Caserio, worked for the Taperiots for 18 years. You just know that he’s going to trade Watson to his former boss. Considering the trades that BoB put out there the past few years, the “steal” that the Taperiots get (Watson for a R1 pick) will seem like a good trade by comparison.

[Six Rings]

@Six Rings

If the cap stays “as is”, then it will indeed be difficult to keep anyone. That said...

1) I think that by the owners adding a 17th game to the schedule, the NFLPA will respond by forcing the salary cap to go up. Honestly, the NFL owners get the vast majority of its revenue from its television deal; the owners certainly aren’t “losing” as much money (from lack of ticket sales) as they try to make it seem. The “cap going down” is a simply a negotiation tactic.

2) In Khan I trust.

3) We dealt with $22 million in dead money for an asshat (AB); I’m perfectly fine with dealing with $19 million for Steelers-legend Ben Roethlisberger (when he retires with a third Lombardi in his grasp).

The NFL Said the cap might go down. That's a preview. It's not going up. Business is business. Khan might be gone this month. Colbert might be gone next year as well. Tomlin might not get a new contract. The writing is on the wall and none of these three men have been extended.

I'll take #3 gladly, however once Ben retires our window to play in another super bowl closes for a while. If we do win the super bowl, who wouldn't want Ben back for one more year? Ben doesn't talk money but I have a hard time believing he'd pass of 40+ million next year. He's in decline, not shot. And if the Steelers do cut Ben, we better have someone under center better than Mason Rudolph. With our cap space, that person needs to come from the draft, so it would be Mac Jones or Kyle Trask. I'm at the point of rolling the dice on Jones once he works out. He's very smart, and an ascending player. The knock on his is the arm. Well when was the last time you saw his receivers slowing down tor a deep ball, which he throws often? The velocityof the deep pass is fine to me. Not John Eway, but he's clearly not Danny Wuerffel either.


Another knock is speed. He ran a 4.8, but that is not hugely important for a pocket passer. He has a fine release and sees it quickly, making him tough to sack. In the games where he was pressured, he played well. Mentally he's excellent.

[Mojouw]

@Six Rings

If the cap stays “as is”, then it will indeed be difficult to keep anyone. That said...

1) I think that by the owners adding a 17th game to the schedule, the NFLPA will respond by forcing the salary cap to go up. Honestly, the NFL owners get the vast majority of its revenue from its television deal; the owners certainly aren’t “losing” as much money (from lack of ticket sales) as they try to make it seem. The “cap going down” is a simply a negotiation tactic.

2) In Khan I trust.

3) We dealt with $22 million in dead money for an asshat (AB); I’m perfectly fine with dealing with $19 million for Steelers-legend Ben Roethlisberger (when he retires with a third Lombardi in his grasp).

Using this Calculator: https://overthecap.com/calculator/pittsburgh-steelers/ and doing the following:

1. Ben R retires. (Use the cut button in the calculator - same thing for cap purposes)
2. Pouncey retires. (Use the cut button in the calculator - same thing for cap purposes)
3. Restructure Tuitt, Heyward, and DeCastro.
4. Cut McDonald and Haden.

That is just over $28 million in cap space. I would argue the only controversial move there is the cutting of Haden. Take that out and it is $21 million in cap space. You can go higher if you cut more (can get teh number to around $33 million by cutting VW and Samuels).

Summation: If Ben R is not going to be on the 2021 Steelers roster -- there are ways to make cap room to acquire another QB. Those moves will have a cost beyond cap space in draft resources and the inability to sign other FAs like Juju, Dupree, Conner, Hilton, and Sutton. But the cash can be "found" if they wanted to.

[teegre]

Desmond Ridder is returning to school.

[Hawkman]

QBs I'd want, in order:

1. Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Justin Herbert
4. Deshaun Watson
5. Russell Wilson

Interesting that you have Herbert above Watson.

[Rotorhead]

Well, looks like Watson is going to do his beast AB impersonation to get out of Houston. He probably goes to the Cheats, but that also means there is a chance for him to come to the Burgh if Ben does retire. Losing a few guys won’t hurt if we can keep the core intact we may be on a 1 year turn around SB window.

[Born2Steel]

Desean Watson and Sean Payton?

The Steelers have made some surprising moves recently with getting Minkah and the trade up for Bush. But thathas not been their normal thing. Maybe they make a play for Watson but I would still be a little shocked if they did. I just worry about the cost.

[DesertSteel]

Interesting that you have Herbert above Watson.

I’ve watched JH play about 8 times this year. He’s a monster. And way more durable than Watson.

[DesertSteel]

Ok... let’s get real...

TJ Watt and a #2 pick for Watson. Take it or leave it?

[Drazo85]

Ok... let’s get real...

TJ Watt and a #2 pick for Watson. Take it or leave it?

Leave it. Two ACLs too much.

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[Mojouw]

Watt had 4 knee injuries in college with 2 surgeries. Just saying.

I wouldn’t do it.

[Rotorhead]

Ok... let’s get real...

TJ Watt and a #2 pick for Watson. Take it or leave it?

No way, Watt is going to be a generational player like Troy.

[DesertSteel]

No way, Watt is going to be a generational player like Troy.

I agree about Watt. But it’s an offensive league. I’d make the trade.

[Hawkman]

Ok... let’s get real...

TJ Watt and a #2 pick for Watson. Take it or leave it?

NO!!