At least he is basically the younger version of Fitzpatrick. So he could basically toss INTs and lose football games for years to come.Originally Posted by Fire Goodell
At least he is basically the younger version of Fitzpatrick. So he could basically toss INTs and lose football games for years to come.
To his credit he's played for a terrible team. I think on a decent team he could be alright. Though he's the type of QB that probably needs a running game to succeed.
He has a below average arm. Rugged footwork and a tendency to throw INTs in bunches. Might as well have Roethlisberger come back and play like he did for much of the past month.
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I mean we can quibble about the various words and rankings but for much of his career, Ben R was annually one of the top 10 (or better) QBs in the entire NFL. That is elite/top tier or whatever you want to call it.
With Ben R under center, the Steelers were in almost any game they played in. That is about all you can ask for.
If you roll out QBs 16-32, there are multiple games per season that you just have such a small chance of winning. It is a massive handicap to overcome.
I think he meant that Ben just missed the "elite" QB club because Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Manning and the like all have so much more career playoff success and so many more SB rings than he does.
If Watson didn’t have any talent to work, Darnold didn’t as well. I haven’t seen much of Watson’s play but I’ve seen Darnold mostly in college, I know he can play. They both seem like somewhat similar Qb’s (both mobile) and they could both benefit being with the Steelers. but realistically if Ben were to retire after this season I see the Steelers going with Rudolph and Dobbs next year with possibly the addition of an older vet QB as insurance and maybe trying to get a franchise QB in the draft later.
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I saw 2-3 games of the Redskins in 2019 where Haskins played just like he did last night. He's better than Rudolph.
Right now what makes Haskins better is he’s showing vast improvement week to week with Pittsburgh. Rudolph has maintained (maybe showed a little improvement) week to week. Rudolph has a low floor, low ceiling. Haskins has a low floor, high ceiling and looks like he can raise the floor as he progresses.
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Rudolph just doesn't put the team in the end zone. Same as in 2019.
Yep, same problem Landry Jones had. I'm all for giving Haskins a shot.
Still playing high school football somewhere. LOL
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I believe Rudolph may be traded within a couple weeks.
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Didn't he just sign a one year contract extension in April?
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That makes him more tradeable, not less.
Whenever we talk about trading a backup QB, it almost never happens. We either keep them or cut them.
I guess the question is, does he really have trade value that’s higher than his value to us? Nobody is gonna give us a fifth round of higher for Rudolph. So is it really worth trading him for a sixth or seventh (assuming we could even get that)?
Right now Haskins has more potential but Rudolph has more experience in the system and therefore has more value to the Steelers than he’d have to anyone else.
I just don’t see any scenario where some other team is willing to make a trade for Rudolph that is net positive for us.
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I would be very surprised if Rudolph is traded this year or even next year for that matter. If Ben goes down MR and DH is a better option than DH & JD, imo.
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Disregard all my previous comments. We have the answer in the building.
https://triblive.com/sports/steelers...ractice-squad/
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Dave Krieg had small hands and had a pretty good career
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Terrible teams can inflate #'s as he's passing all the time from behind in garbage time.
Waton's cap number in 2022 is $40,400,000.00! Hard pass. Plus he has been 1-2 in the playoffs as has had 2 knee surgeries, both of which were grade 3 injuries. For those wondering, a grade 3 three happens when the ACL is completely torn off and can't provide any stability to the knee.
Houston is screwed. They can't cut Watson in 2021. Well they can and take a 51,200,000.00 cap hit, which would hurt more than a grade 3 ACL.
Teegre is a good poster, but after reading this post, he might change his mind.
See below.
https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/pl...un-watson/7744
Watson's cap #'s are right in line with the other QBs in his age cohort.
Using Average Annual Value #'s because I am too lazy to look it up year by year:
Mahomes (24) @ $45 million.
Goff (24) @ $33 million
Wentz (26) @ $32 million
Dak will almost certainly get between $35 AND $40 million+ when he signs a long-term deal.
After the 2022 season and entering Watson's age 27 season in 2023...the Texans can cut him at any point due to injury or ineffectiveness. Signing a multi-year deal with your entire offense where you really only have two uncuttable years in a QB's mid twenties? Yeah...I'll take that every time.
Would you rather pay Watson $40 million or Roethlisberger $41 million?
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If I was Andrew Luck, I wouldn't have rehabbed (again) to come back and play for an organization that was where the Colts were at when he walked away. I also would have retired if I was Alex Smith. Take the money and run!
I'd rather keep the draft picks and try to work an extension with Ben to spread that $40 million out over a few years. I am not a cap guru, but as I understand it the Steelers will simply be unable to afford a $40 million QB next year no matter who it is without deep cuts. I think Ben is still good enough to give the Steelers a chance to win and invested enough in the franchise to take a discount to keep the team competitive. Would Watson feel the same? Keep Ben, maybe use a draft pick to trade for an O-line upgrade, and draft a stud RB next year.
Sure, that is a great and workable plan. But to argue that Watson has an unreasonable cap # is not in line with the reality of what a 24 year old franchise QB costs. Whether he would or wouldn't be the right QB for Pittsburgh is a bit of a different question...but his cap # is not really the issue. Also, Watson's contract could be restructured to lower that number.
For Ben's contract situation see: https://steelersdepot.com/2020/08/lo...ing-scenarios/ with the important bit being "...keep in mind that the lowest that Roethlisberger’s cap charge can be in 2021 is $23.325 and that’s with him going the full charity route..."
No, Watson was the 2nd highest paid QB this year, and costs a ton in 2022. ( 40.4 Million ) He's also has a scary injury history, and has proven little in the playoffs. Re-read my post. Mahomes is worth the money. Wentz isn't and will be cut. You can get him for NFL Staring min QB past his first contract for say for 20 million. Pass on Wentz I say.
Dak has the Cowboys by the b@lls. And he's not worth it IMO.
Ben is tricky. He's older but still good and has done so much for this team. He's not worth 42 million. Maybe 35 million. Give us a discount Ben! No long terms deals for Ben as he's retiring soon, and NO WAY taking Watson's contract and trading for him. The guy has zero chance of being cut, outside of a major off the field issue. Like I said before, many of his passing yards happened because he was down on a 4-12 team big time the D allowed yards for time to pass off the clock.
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W&M,
I like Mac Jones a lot. Do you think he will be there in round 2 for us, and is he worth our 1st round pick? Rudy didn't play bad either. He looks to have improved a big from last year.
I'm not knowledgeable enough about college football to say. I think that if a QB the Steelers love falls to them in the 1st, then it would make sense for them to take him. But I would rather see them take an impact player at another position in the late 1st (RB or TE) than reach on a QB. The story that the Steelers had a 1st round grade on Mason Rudolph makes me a little nervous about the Steelers QB scouting chops, however.
I never said Watson wasn't the #2 paid QB. I never said his cap charge in 2022 wasn't $40 million or whatever. I used Average Annual Value #'s to smooth out the various QB's funny contract math. You can see the table here: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contract...ack/limit-100/ and you can see the specifics of Watson's deal here: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-...-watson-21753/
Further, you can look at every QB contract signed since 2018: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contract...ack/limit-100/ and you can see that Watson's AAV # is right in line with the QB "market" across the NFL. As long as the cap increases annually (an assumption every NFL team makes and depends on) his contract is completely reasonable.
If you don't like Watson as a player or an injury risk, fine. But his contract #'s are exactly in line with what an extension for a franchise starter is/was when he signed it. Both he and the Texans view him as exactly that.
Wentz, like Watson, is already past his first contract, that is why he costs $30 some odd million per year. He signed one year prior to Watson and his AAV # reflects one less year of NFL contract and cap inflation.
Really, I don't know why I am arguing this point in so much detail because it is totally irrelevant.
Let's just say I think Watson is overpaid and an injury risk. He was the 2nd highest paid QB last year on a 4-12 team, and did not elevate them. He's 1-2 in the playoffs. As I said before he was down so often, then had to pass and the other team let them get yards in exchange to drain the clock.
If you think his cap number of 40.4 million in 2022 is " Average " by a QB standard, I've got a few bridges I'd like to sell you in Pittsburgh. It's high. And by the way the cap is likely going down, not up due to lack of the live gate and declining TV ratings. The Steelers will feel that pinch. It deserves its own thread.
Naming losers line Wentz doesn't help. He'll sign wherever he can start and roughly half of what Watson is making...if he's lucky. Teams do not want to overpay veteran QB's who failed to becoming a top 8 guy ( Say pro bowl or winner in the playoffs ) big bucks.
If Watson was on his first contract, and didn't have two grade 3 ACL injures to his knee, yeah I'd be interested for the right trade. He's not.
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