Well there’s a couple of guys who know more than most on here. Their opinion is more than an opinion in their mind. They actually might get contacted for coaching job. I’ll let you figure out who they are.Originally Posted by Hawkman
Well there’s a couple of guys who know more than most on here. Their opinion is more than an opinion in their mind. They actually might get contacted for coaching job. I’ll let you figure out who they are.
My mistake! I don’t read good. If we go by stats, 2020 Ben R is about 8-10 out of QB performance. So, if you’re saying Minshew could be around that good, then he’d have to be able to step in and equal Ben to be at that level. If he can’t, he isn’t top 10.
It will probably be closer than it should be but, the Steelers will win.
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Ummmm.....hmmm.....guess I should have used. I thought saying the "10th trap game" would have been sarcastic enough without the emoji. My bad.
jagoffs
This highlight reel seems, at least to me, 10 minutes of a guy making 1-2 reads and then throwing up a 50/50 ball and hoping his WRs make contested catches. So a ballsier version of Devlin Hodges. Those that know more about QB play than me can pile on and tell me where I went wrong. But I just don't see the foundation of a top 10 QB. Flacco with wheels maybe?
https://youtu.be/_ZmKbf29wc4
https://youtu.be/_ZmKbf29wc4
We have never played well down there and the Jags have played very well the last 3 games and they've lost 8 in a row which means they are due.
I just feel the gut punch loss coming. The kind of loss you look back on when KC wins home field advantage and say, "we lost to the F'n 1-8 Jaguars!"
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I listed his stats, but I’m not going by his stats. I’ve actually watched a good portion of the games he’s played. I watch lots of games on gameplan in the condensed format. He has a live arm, good pocket presence and is very mobile. He has the ability to develop into a top 10 quarterback. I stand by my assessment. I’m not comparing him to Ben. You’re the one who keeps doing that. I’m saying let’s have a plan after Ben retires.
I don't want the steelers to be happy with an average QB when Ben retires and Minshew is an average QB at best .... we need better than that and let's hope that the steelers will have a very good one in the next few drafts.
I'm going to have to agree with some of the other posters here, Jags have our number for whatever reason and it's a road game. This is the game where we lose against a bad team. Our run game goes no where again and Roethlisberger/offense has a bad game with a few key turnovers, Jags do what the Cowboys should have done and we get our 1st loss. This loss will humble the team though and "undefeated" will no longer be on their minds so we'll come out on Thanksgiving to sweep the Ravens for the season. I predict one more loss against the Bills or Colts and we finish the season at 14-2 or 13-3 at worst.
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Rudolph gets snaps late again.
Steelers: 34
Jags: 10
Istina
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I agree. The current heir to Ben gets snaps and continues to have a deer in the headlights performance but does manage some clean handoffs in a 39-17 beat down of the Jags.
Steelers win 28-10. Ben Roethlisberger throws for a disappointing 220 yards and 3 TDs
Bold predictions:The steelers are going to have over 150 rushing yards in this game!
After we go 16-0 getting QB in draft will require some luck, of course picking a QB in top 10 requires luck too. I really hope Jets take Lawrence and shop Darnold for a cheap draft pick. He does have raw talent, could be worth the gamble.
No doubt, we will have to trade up if the steelers draft among the last (hopefully 32!)
If Ben comes back next year, the steelers are going to have the luxury of waiting until 2022 and yes Darnold could be a possibility, but we don't know if he's awful or if he's bad because of his awful HC.Maybe it's both but we don't know yet but yes,this is a possibility if this is the last year of Ben(I don't think it will be the case but we never know)
You just needed to say that he's better than any other backup we currently have on the roster... then their would be little room for argument.
btw, Steelers will WIN!
Lol, my bad I skimmed through it too fast. On of my pet peeves is labeling games “trap games”. Anytime a significant underdog beats us its a trap game.Ummmm.....hmmm.....guess I should have used
If Ben is healthy at the end of the year he says he fully intends to play out his contract. I don't think we should be using draft capital to trade for Darnold or Minshew when we'll need those draft picks to replace guys we could lose to FA.
Also we're in such a tight cap situation I don't think we want to be paying a guy like Darnold to sit on the bench while we're paying Ben. Darnold is on a high draft pick rookie deal which won't be totally cheap to pay that fifth year option. And if we're giving up draft pick(s) I can't see doing it without signing him to a longer contract which we absolutely can't afford while Ben is on the books.
I think we let Ben play until he can't play anymore before we entertain any kind of trade for a QB. If a great QB happens to fall into our laps in this next draft, I guess I'm okay with pulling the trigger, but I'd err on using draft picks to win a Super Bowl with Ben, and we can draft a QB once he's gone.
Yeah I agree with you
I said that wrong, since no way the steelers will trade for Darnold if Ben comes back ... But it would be possible if Ben retires.
But one way or another, I don't believe Ben can play at a 41 million cap hit next year ... One of the two things the steelers need to do with Ben's contract if he comes back ... either extend his contract to lower his cap hit by around 15 million or to do as the Saints have done with Drew Brees since at least 2016 with the voided years ... Yes that could be a problem later, but right now, I don't care of 2024!
I don't think anyone believes that Rudolph is the heir to Ben at this point. But as I said above, trading for any QB while we still have Ben costs us draft picks and cap space that we can't afford to lose.
It would be nice to have our Patrick Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers on the bench waiting to take over, like those teams had, but we just won't be in that position unless we luck into diamond in the rough in a late round. Otherwise we wait until 2022 to draft or trade for Ben's replacement. We can't really give up draft picks and make a real deal with a current NFL QB while we're still paying for Ben.
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You're talking about a deal with Ben that will probably mean we continue to pay him after he retires?
That seems totally doable as long as we either draft our next QB or we trade for a relatively cheap option. But having dead Ben money on the books might hurt us if we want to do something like sign Aaron Rodgers or Matt Stafford to win a Super Bowl after Ben retires.
I don't believe the steelers are going to sign or trade for a QB or like Rodgers or Stafford when Ben retires ... I prefer to try this gamble and go with a young QB with a rookie contract .... The ideal situation would be an extension that would lower its hit cap by a lot in 2021.
Right but at some point those extensions to lower cap hits are going to extend beyond Ben's playing years. That's what you're talking about, right?
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I totally believe that could happen as well. I think they’re going to go into the game committed to the run and be successful with it.
Yeah maybe, but sometimes it's important not to be too worried about whatever is going to happen in 2024 or something like that ... what matters is right now.
Just look at the Saints .... They're going to have 80 million over the salary cap next year if the salary cap is at 175 million, but at least they have tried and they've been a super bowl contender since 3-4 years... The Packers are too conservative(like it was not the time to draft a QB in the first round in 2020) and think too much about the future and I don't want the steelers to be too careful since it's too frustrating for me ... Lowering Ben's cap hit would help to keep as many players as possible for the steelers in 2021.
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I think the best plan is to win B2B Super Bowls, Ben retire, and with the 32nd pick of the draft pick a QB from Ball State that is better than Mahomes in his rookie season.
Other than the Dallas game, this is one of the games I pegged that the Steelers drop their first game. Jacksonville always plays Pittsburgh tough and stupid Twilight Zone things seem to happen every time the Steelers play the Jaguars. The Jags defense held Rodgers in check this past Sunday. Ben has historically had problems with Jacksonville. With a critical rematch with the Ravens on deck that following Thursday, yeah, all signs are pointing to the Steelers sleepwalking through this game.
It'll be another Ravens/Cowboys finisher coming down to the final seconds. I wouldn't be too surprised if Jacksonville wins.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/jax/2020.htm
The Jags 2020 numbers, stats, and league rankings. You can look at situational as well as broad stats. Very nice site for getting the strengths and weaknesses of teams and players. Statistically of course.
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