Undeniable with Dan Patrick. One-on-one with Rod Woodson

[Six Rings]

Did anyone catch this? You get to know Rod who was a sensitive soul and also a player who didn't like to be yelled at.

The Steelers tired to low ball him on his initial contract, they said we'll offer a million, which was well under market value at the time for the 10th overall pick. So Rod held out three months until the Steelers doubled the offer to 2 million.

It was day day of the draft in 1996. Rod Woodson said his phone rang, the Steelers were on the clock in round one. Rod wouldn't give the name of the person on the phone but said he asked if they can count on him to sign the deal that was offered or not. Way to pressure a guy. Rod hung up the phone and just like that, the Steelers lost one of their best players ever who had plenty to give in the free agency period of 1997. Rod had one heck of a 1996 by the way. 6 picks and 3 fumble recoveries. Pay the man. As I said before prior to Heinz Field stadium money, the Rooney's were cheap. They let Kevin Green walk too.

The other bomb shell is Rod said on the Raiders the head coach changed the entire game plan the day before the game. The initial plan was to run, they changed it to passing, which as we saw caused lots of interceptions. At that moment Rod said they knew they were going to lose.

Interesting stuff.

[polamalubeast]

We talked about this in another thread the other time ... But you are unable to understand that the nfl had a salary cap in the 1990s and that the steelers were closed everytime .... So it's not a good idea to waste our time on this with you.

You can read this thread,this is the same thing

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foru...r-s-QB-history

[Six Rings]

We talked about this in another thread the other time ... But you are unable to understand that the nfl had a salary cap in the 1990s and that the steelers were closed everytime .... So it's not a good idea to waste our time on this with you.

You can read this thread,this is the same thing

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foru...r-s-QB-history

Woodson was worth the money. You never let a top player go in his prime, especially one who produced as much as Rod did.

If could hurt, but the Steeler players said the same thing, all the way up to Hines Ward. We had a cheap owner in the 1990's. Show me how much in cap space the Steelers had in 1997, and the tell me whey they could not restructure someone to make room for their best player.

We didn't pay our Super bowl staring quarterback, his replacement sucked. We let two hall of fame player go who had plenty left to give. A reason why the team did not go back to another super bowl. Although Rod didn't say the name of the person on the phone, I think it was Dan Rooney as he indicated he never spoke to that person ever again. He has spoken to Cowher since, and the two appear rather tight. Cowher respected Woodson enough to leave a roster spot open for him, even though it was risky if he could come back for that season.

[Mojouw]

Oh for crying out loud. Is this fun for you? Or are you just brain damaged?

Look at what the Rams are going through. That is what you are calling for. If the mid 1990's Steelers had tied all their cap up in a mediocre at best QB (Odonnell/Goff) and then an injured player who is no longer able to play his position at an elite level (Woodson/Gurley) they would have not been holding the parades you seem to be fantasizing about.

Woodson even admits that he was wrong to want to continue playing CB and that the switch to safety that the team, the Rooneys, and Cowher wanted him to make was the right call. But he left to prove he could still hack it as high $$$ CB. He couldn't. And he didn't.

[86WARD]

*sigh*

[polamalubeast]

Woodson was worth the money. You never let a top player go in his prime, especially one who produced as much as Rod did.

If could hurt, but the Steeler players said the same thing, all the way up to Hines Ward. We had a cheap owner in the 1990's. Show me how much in cap space the Steelers had in 1997, and the tell me whey they could not restructure someone to make room for their best player.

We didn't pay our Super bowl staring quarterback, his replacement sucked. We let two hall of fame player go who had plenty left to give. A reason why the team did not go back to another super bowl. Although Rod didn't say the name of the person on the phone, I think it was Dan Rooney as he indicated he never spoke to that person ever again. He has spoken to Cowher since, and the two appear rather tight. Cowher respected Woodson enough to leave a roster spot open for him, even though it was risky if he could come back for that season.

again the explanations are in this thread

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foru...r-s-QB-history

[polamalubeast]

Oh for crying out loud. Is this fun for you? Or are you just brain damaged?

Look at what the Rams are going through. That is what you are calling for. If the mid 1990's Steelers had tied all their cap up in a mediocre at best QB (Odonnell/Goff) and then an injured player who is no longer able to play his position at an elite level (Woodson/Gurley) they would have not been holding the parades you seem to be fantasizing about.

Woodson even admits that he was wrong to want to continue playing CB and that the switch to safety that the team, the Rooneys, and Cowher wanted him to make was the right call. But he left to prove he could still hack it as high $$$ CB. He couldn't. And he didn't.

He do not understand that the NFL had a salary cap at this time too but he prefer to said that Rooney was cheap...

[teegre]

Interesting stuff.

Not. At. All.

[polamalubeast]

Not. At. All.

This

[pczach]

Woodson was worth the money. You never let a top player go in his prime, especially one who produced as much as Rod did.

If could hurt, but the Steeler players said the same thing, all the way up to Hines Ward. We had a cheap owner in the 1990's. Show me how much in cap space the Steelers had in 1997, and the tell me whey they could not restructure someone to make room for their best player.

We didn't pay our Super bowl staring quarterback, his replacement sucked. We let two hall of fame player go who had plenty left to give. A reason why the team did not go back to another super bowl. Although Rod didn't say the name of the person on the phone, I think it was Dan Rooney as he indicated he never spoke to that person ever again. He has spoken to Cowher since, and the two appear rather tight. Cowher respected Woodson enough to leave a roster spot open for him, even though it was risky if he could come back for that season.

Woodson wasn't in his prime. Not even close. If he was in his prime, he would have been a dominant starting CB for many more years after he left the Steelers. He wasn't. He became a safety....and a damn good one. The Steelers wanted him to consider moving to safety in the near future because they knew he couldn't play CB at the level he did for the many years he played in Pittsburgh. He didn't want to play safety and he wanted more money than the Steelers could pay him.

He only played CB for two years after leaving the Steelers. He became a safety because he couldn't play corner at a high level anymore.

Rod Woodson is one of the greatest Steelers ever and one of the best players in NFL history. He is one of my favorite players ever. I wanted him to stay a Steeler, but the limited cap space and the amount he wanted to play for wouldn't allow both sides to be happy. End of story.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WoodRo01.htm

[Craic]

Huh . . . why did my link disappear?

[HollywoodSteel]

Woodson was worth the money. You never let a top player go in his prime, especially one who produced as much as Rod did.

If could hurt, but the Steeler players said the same thing, all the way up to Hines Ward. We had a cheap owner in the 1990's. Show me how much in cap space the Steelers had in 1997, and the tell me whey they could not restructure someone to make room for their best player.

We didn't pay our Super bowl staring quarterback, his replacement sucked. We let two hall of fame player go who had plenty left to give. A reason why the team did not go back to another super bowl. Although Rod didn't say the name of the person on the phone, I think it was Dan Rooney as he indicated he never spoke to that person ever again. He has spoken to Cowher since, and the two appear rather tight. Cowher respected Woodson enough to leave a roster spot open for him, even though it was risky if he could come back for that season.

In the era of the salary cap, I hate it when people call a team cheap for spreading money around to multiple positions rather than paying a single star all that money.

Now, the decision to do so could turn out to be either foolish or wise , but it is not cheap.

Cheap is not spending all your cap money and having the owner pocket it. That’s not a very common thing to do in the NFL because in the long run owners know it’s more profitable to have a winning franchise than pocketing a few extra bucks.

The Steelers most definitely have been the very model of a team that wants to win above all else in the Super Bowl era. We aren’t the Jags, Bengals, or Panthers, who HAVE been known to have some years where the owners pocketed cap money rather than spend it on players.

The Steelers were not cheap to spend that money elsewhere rather than on Woodson.

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Woodson was worth the money. You never let a top player go in his prime, especially one who produced as much as Rod did.

If could hurt, but the Steeler players said the same thing, all the way up to Hines Ward. We had a cheap owner in the 1990's. Show me how much in cap space the Steelers had in 1997, and the tell me whey they could not restructure someone to make room for their best player.

We didn't pay our Super bowl staring quarterback, his replacement sucked. We let two hall of fame player go who had plenty left to give. A reason why the team did not go back to another super bowl. Although Rod didn't say the name of the person on the phone, I think it was Dan Rooney as he indicated he never spoke to that person ever again. He has spoken to Cowher since, and the two appear rather tight. Cowher respected Woodson enough to leave a roster spot open for him, even though it was risky if he could come back for that season.

In the era of the salary cap, I hate it when people call a team cheap for spreading money around to multiple positions rather than paying a single star all that money.

Now, the decision to do so could turn out to be either foolish or wise , but it is not cheap.

Cheap is not spending all your cap money and having the owner pocket it. That’s not a very common thing to do in the NFL because in the long run owners know it’s more profitable to have a winning franchise than pocketing a few extra bucks.

The Steelers most definitely have been the very model of a team that wants to win above all else in the Super Bowl era. We aren’t the Jags, Bengals, or Panthers, who HAVE been known to have some years where the owners pocketed cap money rather than spend it on players.

The Steelers were not cheap to spend that money elsewhere rather than on Woodson.

[fansince'76]

We didn't pay our Super bowl staring quarterback, his replacement sucked.

Super Bowl-starting QB? O'Donnell was just along for the ride. He's also THE reason the Steelers lost SB XXX.

At his best, O'Donnell was never anything more than a journeyman (backup) QB himself, which is kinda why Parcells ran him out of New York on a rail shortly after the Jets backed up the Brinks truck for him.

But yeah, damn cheap Rooneys...

[Six Rings]

again the explanations are in this thread

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foru...r-s-QB-history

This is a ROD WOODSON Thread.

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Super Bowl-starting QB? O'Donnell was just along for the ride. He's also THE reason the Steelers lost SB XXX.

At his best, O'Donnell was never anything more than a journeyman (backup) QB himself, which is kinda why Parcells ran him out of New York on a rail shortly after the Jets backed up the Brinks truck for him.

But yeah, damn cheap Rooneys...

Were you alive in the 1990's, he's the reason why we got to the game, and actually set a passing record for yardage thrown in an AFC championship game. He was a bit more than a journeyman back up.

And yes, as much as it hurts the Rooney were cheap pre Heinz field.

[polamalubeast]

This is a ROD WOODSON Thread.

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Were you alive in the 1990's, he's the reason why we got to the game, and actually set a passing record for yardage thrown in an AFC championship game. He was a bit more than a journeyman back up.

And yes, as much as it hurts the Rooney were cheap pre Heinz field.

We talked about Rod Woodson in this thread and the fact that it's not true that Dan Rooney was cheap but you're too stubborn ...

I advise others not to argue with you since you are too stubborn and you refuse to understand that the NFL had a salary cap in the 1990s too.

EDIT

Hahaha…

Steelers admit to salary cap infraction

They could face an NFL fine and lose draft choices

Monday, August 23, 1999

http://old.post-gazette.com/steelers...823salary2.asp

But Rooney was cheap...Take the loss and move on and please don't create a another thread 1 month later on this

[Six Rings]

Woodson wasn't in his prime. Not even close. If he was in his prime, he would have been a dominant starting CB for many more years after he left the Steelers. He wasn't. He became a safety....and a damn good one. The Steelers wanted him to consider moving to safety in the near future because they knew he couldn't play CB at the level he did for the many years he played in Pittsburgh. He didn't want to play safety and he wanted more money than the Steelers could pay him.

He only played CB for two years after leaving the Steelers. He became a safety because he couldn't play corner at a high level anymore.

Rod Woodson is one of the greatest Steelers ever and one of the best players in NFL history. He is one of my favorite players ever. I wanted him to stay a Steeler, but the limited cap space and the amount he wanted to play for wouldn't allow both sides to be happy. End of story.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WoodRo01.htm

He was coming off a season with 6 interceptions and three fumble recoveries. There was no movement of money to make room for him on the cap. The Steelers failed. End of. I'd gladly take him for corner for two more years, then move him to safety. Rod liked Safety better than corner. To use his words you can avoid a corner but you can't take a safety out of the game. Watch the interview.

As you can see below he had plenty of productive years left had the Steelers treated him better and paid market value. Worth a 4 or 5 year contract.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WoodRo01.htm

[Six Rings]

Oh for crying out loud. Is this fun for you? Or are you just brain damaged?

Look at what the Rams are going through. That is what you are calling for. If the mid 1990's Steelers had tied all their cap up in a mediocre at best QB (Odonnell/Goff) and then an injured player who is no longer able to play his position at an elite level (Woodson/Gurley) they would have not been holding the parades you seem to be fantasizing about.

Woodson even admits that he was wrong to want to continue playing CB and that the switch to safety that the team, the Rooneys, and Cowher wanted him to make was the right call. But he left to prove he could still hack it as high $$$ CB. He couldn't. And he didn't.

Woodson was a productive player all the way up to 2002 when he lead the NFL in interceptions. As a corner for the next two seasons he had 9 interceptions, and two touchdowns. That's a huge 2 years for any corner.

To compare Gurley to Woodson is dumb, even for you. They play different positions. Gurley appears to be done as a NFL player. Woodson had many years of top football play left.

DUH.

[fansince'76]

Were you alive in the 1990's, he's the reason why we got to the game, and actually set a passing record for yardage thrown in an AFC championship game. He was a bit more than a journeyman back up.

And yes, as much as it hurts the Rooney were cheap pre Heinz field.

Uh, yeah, pretty sure I lived through that period and was there. I think the Blitzburgh defense had a much bigger hand in that team making the Super Bowl than O'Donnell did. Question is, were YOU alive during that time? Delusional.

Jim Harbaugh had more passing yards in the '95 AFCCG than O'Donnell did. Good grief.

Sorry bud, but these numbers scream career journeyman:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...O/ODonNe00.htm

[86WARD]

Woodson wasn't in his prime. Not even close. If he was in his prime, he would have been a dominant starting CB for many more years after he left the Steelers. He wasn't. He became a safety....and a damn good one. The Steelers wanted him to consider moving to safety in the near future because they knew he couldn't play CB at the level he did for the many years he played in Pittsburgh. He didn't want to play safety and he wanted more money than the Steelers could pay him.

He only played CB for two years after leaving the Steelers. He became a safety because he couldn't play corner at a high level anymore.

Rod Woodson is one of the greatest Steelers ever and one of the best players in NFL history. He is one of my favorite players ever. I wanted him to stay a Steeler, but the limited cap space and the amount he wanted to play for wouldn't allow both sides to be happy. End of story.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WoodRo01.htm

Once again, very well said!

[polamalubeast]

A record for the AFC title game?

Neil O'Donnel had only 205 yards in 41 pass attempts against the colts

Jim Harbaugh had more yards in this game with 267 yards in 33 pass attempts

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...9601140pit.htm

The record at this time,I think it was Dan Marino in 1984 against the steelers with 421 yards...I don't know if this is the record but I know that this is not Neil O'Donnell

Sometimes it's better not to say false statements, since we are not stupid.

And no Dan Rooney was not cheap before the heinz field, especially the steelers even had a violation for exceeding the salary cap.

[Hawkman]

What a waste of good typing time.

[tube517]

Man, I didn't know O'Donnell was a HOF'er. He should get in with John Kuhn so we have another Pittsburgh weekend in Canton in 2021.

[polamalubeast]

The best accomplishment of Neil O'Donnell was to have helped to a very average zone corner in Larry Brown to have a big contract with the raiders.

[Mojouw]

Woodson was a productive player all the way up to 2002 when he lead the NFL in interceptions. As a corner for the next two seasons he had 9 interceptions, and two touchdowns. That's a huge 2 years for any corner.

To compare Gurley to Woodson is dumb, even for you. They play different positions. Gurley appears to be done as a NFL player. Woodson had many years of top football play left.

DUH.

Well no, you're dumb.

He was a productive player at another position. If he was such a great CB; then why did the 'Niners let him go after one season for cap space? The bottom line is that Rod Woodson is a HOF caliber CB - just not in the period from 1996-99.

And I only spent like .3 seconds looking into this, but most of your research is flawed as well. In 1996, the team offered Woodson various extension packages ranging around about $2-$2.7 million per season. He turned those down because he wanted more cash. Then he played the season and had more injuries and major surgeries. They offered him an extension and he refused. The team then found a CB who would take their money: https://apnews.com/f4dbee69146f4edfaf789539c95b550a. Rod got all butt-hurt that at 32 years old and with his career achievements the team wanted him to prove he was healthy and take an extension that was basically a bunch of yearly "prove your body can still hold up" deals.

"https://playerswiki.com/rod-woodson"

• The Pittsburgh Steelers signed a four- year, $12 million worth contract with Woodson on September 18, 1993.
• Woodson declined the three- year, $9 million contract extension offer of Pittsburgh Steelers on August 12, 1996, and requested a four- or five- year long- term contract. Later, they offered Woodson a five- year contract extension of $10 million and a five- year incentive-laden $13.5 million worth contract, including a $500,000 signing bonus.
• Following the 1996 NFL season, the Pittsburgh Steelers offered Woodson a $ 7.2 million four- year contract with a $ 1 million signing bonus.

It turns out that the ENTIRE NFL also saw Woodson's value around the same $2-$3 million range:

His 49'ers contract: "Woodson's one-year deal in San Francisco, if he reaches all incentives, will earn him nearly $2.5 million." - https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/06/s...eads-west.html

His Ravens contract: https://frontofficenfl.com/2017/04/1...vens-contract/

Both are around an annual value similar to what the Steelers were offering. So this was never about money. Rod's feelings got hurt and his pride needed him to leave town. The Steelers judged his value at the EXACT same level as the entire rest of the league did.

You're a clown and a fool.

[polamalubeast]

Well no, you're dumb.

He was a productive player at another position. If he was such a great CB; then why did the 'Niners let him go after one season for cap space? The bottom line is that Rod Woodson is a HOF caliber CB - just not in the period from 1996-99.

And I only spent like .3 seconds looking into this, but most of your research is flawed as well. In 1996, the team offered Woodson various extension packages ranging around about $2-$2.7 million per season. He turned those down because he wanted more cash. Then he played the season and had more injuries and major surgeries. They offered him an extension and he refused. The team then found a CB who would take their money: https://apnews.com/f4dbee69146f4edfaf789539c95b550a. Rod got all butt-hurt that at 32 years old and with his career achievements the team wanted him to prove he was healthy and take an extension that was basically a bunch of yearly "prove your body can still hold up" deals.

"https://playerswiki.com/rod-woodson"

• The Pittsburgh Steelers signed a four- year, $12 million worth contract with Woodson on September 18, 1993.
• Woodson declined the three- year, $9 million contract extension offer of Pittsburgh Steelers on August 12, 1996, and requested a four- or five- year long- term contract. Later, they offered Woodson a five- year contract extension of $10 million and a five- year incentive-laden $13.5 million worth contract, including a $500,000 signing bonus.
• Following the 1996 NFL season, the Pittsburgh Steelers offered Woodson a $ 7.2 million four- year contract with a $ 1 million signing bonus.

It turns out that the ENTIRE NFL also saw Woodson's value around the same $2-$3 million range:

His 49'ers contract: "Woodson's one-year deal in San Francisco, if he reaches all incentives, will earn him nearly $2.5 million." - https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/06/s...eads-west.html

His Ravens contract: https://frontofficenfl.com/2017/04/1...vens-contract/

Both are around an annual value similar to what the Steelers were offering. So this was never about money. Rod's feelings got hurt and his pride needed him to leave town. The Steelers judged his value at the EXACT same level as the entire rest of the league did.

You're a clown and a fool.

Thank You

But he will said that Rooney was cheap before the new stadium even if the steelers had a violation for the salary cap in 1999...

http://old.post-gazette.com/steelers...823salary2.asp

[Mojouw]

Thank You

But he will said that Rooney was cheap before the new stadium even if the steelers had a violation for the salary cap in 1999...

http://old.post-gazette.com/steelers...823salary2.asp

Of course he will. In another thread like a week from now. Facts do not mean much to this guy. I've been hearing how the Rooneys are cheap for the better part of 3 decades now. All they manage to do, on the cheap, is run one of the most successful NFL franchises of the modern era.

Rod Woodson was the greatest Steelers player I saw play pre Polamalu. In his prime he was a sight to behold. But, the need to twist the facts and the reality of how and why he left town is just silly after all these years. Rod keeps talking about how it was this and that -- refusing to remember that it was his pride more than anything else that made him leave town.

[teegre]

Were you alive in the 1990's

In fact, he wasn’t. While he has indeed been a fan since ‘76, he died on December 31st, 1989. His body was kept on ice until January 1, 2001... when he was brought back to life.

[86WARD]

Well no, you're dumb.

He was a productive player at another position. If he was such a great CB; then why did the 'Niners let him go after one season for cap space? The bottom line is that Rod Woodson is a HOF caliber CB - just not in the period from 1996-99.

And I only spent like .3 seconds looking into this, but most of your research is flawed as well. In 1996, the team offered Woodson various extension packages ranging around about $2-$2.7 million per season. He turned those down because he wanted more cash. Then he played the season and had more injuries and major surgeries. They offered him an extension and he refused. The team then found a CB who would take their money: https://apnews.com/f4dbee69146f4edfaf789539c95b550a. Rod got all butt-hurt that at 32 years old and with his career achievements the team wanted him to prove he was healthy and take an extension that was basically a bunch of yearly "prove your body can still hold up" deals.

"https://playerswiki.com/rod-woodson"

• The Pittsburgh Steelers signed a four- year, $12 million worth contract with Woodson on September 18, 1993.
• Woodson declined the three- year, $9 million contract extension offer of Pittsburgh Steelers on August 12, 1996, and requested a four- or five- year long- term contract. Later, they offered Woodson a five- year contract extension of $10 million and a five- year incentive-laden $13.5 million worth contract, including a $500,000 signing bonus.
• Following the 1996 NFL season, the Pittsburgh Steelers offered Woodson a $ 7.2 million four- year contract with a $ 1 million signing bonus.

It turns out that the ENTIRE NFL also saw Woodson's value around the same $2-$3 million range:

His 49'ers contract: "Woodson's one-year deal in San Francisco, if he reaches all incentives, will earn him nearly $2.5 million." - https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/06/s...eads-west.html

His Ravens contract: https://frontofficenfl.com/2017/04/1...vens-contract/

Both are around an annual value similar to what the Steelers were offering. So this was never about money. Rod's feelings got hurt and his pride needed him to leave town. The Steelers judged his value at the EXACT same level as the entire rest of the league did.

You're a clown and a fool.

Lol.

Lies. All fabricated lies.

[86WARD]

In fact, he wasn’t. While he has indeed been a fan since ‘76, he died on December 31st, 1989. His body was kept on ice until January 1, 2001... when he was brought back to life.

Where’s this shit come from...lol.

[pczach]

He was coming off a season with 6 interceptions and three fumble recoveries. There was no movement of money to make room for him on the cap. The Steelers failed. End of. I'd gladly take him for corner for two more years, then move him to safety. Rod liked Safety better than corner. To use his words you can avoid a corner but you can't take a safety out of the game. Watch the interview.

As you can see below he had plenty of productive years left had the Steelers treated him better and paid market value. Worth a 4 or 5 year contract.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...W/WoodRo01.htm

If safety was where it was at, he would have been a safety his entire career. He played CB because he was a great CB, and only a handful of people to ever play the game could do it as well as he could. So now you're trying to say that he only moved to the safety position because he could be more effective than playing CB? Players that can't play corner anymore moved to safety. He wanted to play corner because that is where the big money is. At that time, safeties didn't make anywhere near as much money. End of story.

Again, he didn't want to play safety with the Steelers. He only figured out that you can't avoid a safety, and said that when he couldn't play corner anymore. Funny how that happens. Market value for a safety was much different than it was for a cornerback.

He still had a lot of interceptions, but that was because he started being a gambler at the position. He took more risks, and while getting turnovers, he also got burned a little more often.

Again, I would have loved to keep Rod here. It's one of those things that just didn't work out.

Dude, the proof is an internet search away, yet you keep saying things that are easily disproved.

By the way, I was alive for all of it. I was a Steelers fan before they became good and turned into an elite franchise. I was a huge fan by 1970 as a 6 year old watching as many games as I could see.