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    Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    The draft is one week away. There is a ton of talk out there from various sources that the Steelers are looking to deject Michael Pittman, Jr. (WR, USC) at 49.

    This time of year is chock full of rumors. Most make me yawn. But, I’ve seen this from various sources that I “trust”. For example, Kozora says it’s a strong possibility. I believe Steel City Underground (who isn’t known for knee-jerk reactions) says that their “sources” say that Tomlin loves Pittman.

    Big, tall... good hands, makes the contested catches... there is a lot to like about him.

    QUESTION:
    Let’s take Pittman out of the equation. How would you feel about taking a WR (any WR) at 49?

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    Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    I would not mind it. I am not sold on Washington or Johnson as star players. They have so much potential but I’d like to see them break out. I like them both and I like them a good amount but I’m not sold that they still don’t need a stud WR in this group.

    Basically...my bottom line is: “If it helps Ben, somehow, I’m good with it”.


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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    I'd prefer Denzel Mims if he is still there. Pittman jr looks every bit the 4.52 speed that he posted at the combine and is really a solid #2 WR that is a big target at 6'4". I might prefer Van Jefferson over Pittman if his foot injury checked out.

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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    Pittman just seems to be another version of Juju and Washington. Meaning a guy with really good hands that may or may not struggle to get separation because of a lack of elite NFL speed. DJ is a bit of different type of WR. Cain has clocked speed, but due to injury and situation, has yet to translate it to NFL production.

    So, all in all, I would prefer someone like Mims who APPEARS to bring a different kind of skill set to the table.

    But, Pittman seems to be exactly what they are looking for in WRs recently. Him, Juju, and Washington are like carbon copies of each other - only Pittman is even bigger:

    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/michael-pittman
    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player...smith-schuster
    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/james-washington

    All in all, I wouldn't hate the pick because they have been on a run of WR "hits" lately. I just would prefer they add a different "type" to the mix. That being said, if Pittman is the next Mike Evans...screw types...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Pittman just seems to be another version of Juju and Washington. Meaning a guy with really good hands that may or may not struggle to get separation because of a lack of elite NFL speed. DJ is a bit of different type of WR. Cain has clocked speed, but due to injury and situation, has yet to translate it to NFL production.

    So, all in all, I would prefer someone like Mims who APPEARS to bring a different kind of skill set to the table.

    But, Pittman seems to be exactly what they are looking for in WRs recently. Him, Juju, and Washington are like carbon copies of each other - only Pittman is even bigger:

    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/michael-pittman
    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player...smith-schuster
    https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/james-washington

    All in all, I wouldn't hate the pick because they have been on a run of WR "hits" lately. I just would prefer they add a different "type" to the mix. That being said, if Pittman is the next Mike Evans...screw types...
    Good point...This is the reason why I want a WR who is very fast.I don't said that Pittman is slow but someone who is very fast is a need for this offense,RB or WR.

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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    I would be fine with a WR at 49. Basically we got Minkah at 17, so a WR in the 2nd is not a terrible move. There are some I personally like over Pittman but I do like Pittman, and I don't have the intel Colbert and Tomlin have so I would gladly defer to them on their choice. The offense really does need a shot in the arm so to speak. Adding a weapon that instantly upgrades the WR room is something I am always for. I'm not going to list all the WRs I would like to see drafted this year but if they feel 49 is the right time, then it's the right time.

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    Below is video vs Utah. I like game tape like this instead of hilights, because you can see what a guy does all game from whistle to whistle and not just cut up hilights. This is what I see:

    Positives
    -Big body, good hands, high points the football in the air and uses his body very well to sheild defenders in pattern and against contested catches.
    -apparently willing blocker and plays special teams
    -runs good routes, but looks like he rounds off some cuts due to size
    -defeats jam with physicality, not quickness

    Weaknesses
    -doesnt show quickness off the line. Will defeat jam with body and hands, but CB will run with him in press man.
    -not much wiggle in his breaks or run after catch, just strength.
    -doesn't have long speed to challenge vertically

    I see a good big body #2, possession type WR that is best in the hooks, curls, slants, outs, corner routes but not really a vertical threat that will beat on post patterns or 9's.


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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    Below is video vs Utah. I like game tape like this instead of hilights, because you can see what a guy does all game from whistle to whistle and not just cut up hilights. This is what I see:

    Positives
    -Big body, good hands, high points the football in the air and uses his body very well to sheild defenders in pattern and against contested catches.
    -apparently willing blocker and plays special teams
    -runs good routes, but looks like he rounds off some cuts due to size
    -defeats jam with physicality, not quickness

    Weaknesses
    -doesnt show quickness off the line. Will defeat jam with body and hands, but CB will run with him in press man.
    -not much wiggle in his breaks or run after catch, just strength.
    -doesn't have long speed to challenge vertically

    I see a good big body #2, possession type WR that is best in the hooks, curls, slants, outs, corner routes but not really a vertical threat that will beat on post patterns or 9's.

    He certainly looks like he takes FOREVER to get up to speed. Doesn't look "sharp" in anything he does. But that is kinda common I guess for college players with his dominating size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    He certainly looks like he takes FOREVER to get up to speed. Doesn't look "sharp" in anything he does. But that is kinda common I guess for college players with his dominating size?
    I agree. In the 1 on 1 drills in Mobile, AB he defeated the coverage with physicality, but didn't run away from the CB's covering him. He just made cuts on a wide open field and used his large frame to box-out while catching the football.

    Personally, I like Mims or Van Jefferson better. Mims might be gone before #49, or could be there and Jefferson may slide into the 60-80's I think due to his Jones fracture in his foot. Its a minor injury.

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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    Quote Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson View Post
    I agree. In the 1 on 1 drills in Mobile, AB he defeated the coverage with physicality, but didn't run away from the CB's covering him. He just made cuts on a wide open field and used his large frame to box-out while catching the football.

    Personally, I like Mims or Van Jefferson better. Mims might be gone before #49, or could be there and Jefferson may slide into the 60-80's I think due to his Jones fracture in his foot. Its a minor injury.
    Another way to go, if they want a big ole WR is Bryan Edwards from SC. You might get him to slide a bit and not need to take him at 49. I don't know who the prospect is that could pull this off...but they need some "explosion" at the WR position. I would like to see them grab someone who can have a Martavis Bryant impact. Say what you want about the guy, but before it went all sideways, he was altering how defenses lined up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojouw View Post
    Another way to go, if they want a big ole WR is Bryan Edwards from SC. You might get him to slide a bit and not need to take him at 49. I don't know who the prospect is that could pull this off...but they need some "explosion" at the WR position. I would like to see them grab someone who can have a Martavis Bryant impact. Say what you want about the guy, but before it went all sideways, he was altering how defenses lined up.
    True, the one thing with Edwards is that he has some drop issues, so doesn't have the hands that a bigger WR like Pittman or Claypool. I agree that I think the Steelers need somebody with some vertical speed, which is why I like Mims. Also a larger target that is in the 6'3 or taller range would be nice, but finding both isn't likely to happen at #49. Jefferson play speed was clocked well at the Senior Bowl, but I think he has buildup speed like Washington more than just fast twitch.

    Bryant was 1st round athlete, but 7th round mind and that is why he lasted until the 4th.

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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    He checks off boxes. Production, bloodlines. Pittman's father was apart of the Buccaneers when they won the Super Bowl, which at the time coach Tomlin was the DB coach.

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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    If ever there was a year to pick up a WR with the potential to be a star in the later rounds, this is the year. There are big, strong, fast, quick, and versatile players that will be available throughout most of this draft.

    I like Pittman, but I would like to see a player with more speed if taken that high. A guy with clear ability to get separation and stretch defenses at the next level that still has ball skills and good hands.

    I just think that in a draft with an extremely strong and deep crop of WRs, the team should be looking for the best players available at other positions of need first. Talented WR's will be available later, and they will be getting real value.

    I still love getting a stud interior offensive lineman with that second round pick if one is still available. I know you can't control who gets taken in front of you, but my favorite scenario would be for OL. If not, I would still consider moving back to acquire another pick and then using that pick to move up with one of their current picks to get an additional player in the third round. That's where the meat of this draft is, and with fewer picks this year and no first rounder....it would probably be sound strategy if their guy isn't there when they pick at 49 and they can move down and still get a player they really like.

    With that said, they will probably do what they always do. Stand pat and pick a good player.

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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    A few thoughts...

    1. Daniel Jeremiah has 25 WRs with R1-R2 grades. Ergo, there is zero need to take a WR at 49.

    2. On the flip side, if “your guy” is there, you take him when you can.

    3. I like Pittman... a lot. He’s a red-zone WR. He’ll match the contested catches.

    4. If the rumor is true that the Taperiots are offering their three R3 picks to move up to 49, I do that... and take a WR at the 95-105 range (see point #1).

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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    A few thoughts...

    1. Daniel Jeremiah has 25 WRs with R1-R2 grades. Ergo, there is zero need to take a WR at 49.

    2. On the flip side, if “your guy” is there, you take him when you can.

    3. I like Pittman... a lot. He’s a red-zone WR. He’ll match the contested catches.

    4. If the rumor is true that the Taperiots are offering their three R3 picks to move up to 49, I do that... and take a WR at the 95-105 range (see point #1).


    The one guy that maybe can't be duplicated later would be a guy like Claypool if he were to be available at 49. I highly doubt it, but you never know. He is a guy with elite size, speed, and athleticism. He is big enough to be a TE and a blocking force in the run game from the WR position, but fast enough to take the top off a defense and make contested catches on the outside. He would be a red-zone threat and a physical mismatch at TE or WR.

    He is so intriguing to me in what he is capable of physically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczach View Post
    The one guy that maybe can't be duplicated later would be a guy like Claypool if he were to be available at 49. I highly doubt it, but you never know. He is a guy with elite size, speed, and athleticism. He is big enough to be a TE and a blocking force in the run game from the WR position, but fast enough to take the top off a defense and make contested catches on the outside. He would be a red-zone threat and a physical mismatch at TE or WR.

    He is so intriguing to me in what he is capable of physically.
    That’s a perfect example. There are a ton of players who are similar:
    -Michael Pittman... Van Jefferson... Antonio Gandy-Golden
    -Jalen Reagor... KJ Hamlin... KJ Hill

    But, there’s really only one player like Claypool. Ergo, if he’s there... you take him.

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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    I'd prefer the Steelers to do one of two things in round 2

    1. Get a true no. 1 WR for Ben and eventually whoever replaces Ben
    or
    2. Shore up the o-line for Ben and whoever replaces Ben and open up better holes for whoever is at RB

    So yeah, I'm all-in for getting a WR in round 2 if it means getting a no. 1 guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by st33lersguy View Post
    2. Shore up the o-line for Ben and whoever replaces Ben and open up better holes for whoever is at RB
    Thete are several names who would be logical at 49. But, on the topic of O-linemen, we could (possibly) get a Wolverine with many of our picks. (Michigan has an outstanding O-line.)

    49: Cesar Ruiz*, OC/OG

    102: Ben Bredeson, OG

    198: Michael Onwenu, OG

    232: Jon Runyon Jr., RT

    *(he’d have to have a major tumble to drop this far)

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    Re: Michael is PITT’s man... ???

    Quote Originally Posted by teegre View Post
    Thete are several names who would be logical at 49. But, on the topic of O-linemen, we could (possibly) get a Wolverine with many of our picks. (Michigan has an outstanding O-line.)

    49: Cesar Ruiz*, OC/OG

    102: Ben Bredeson, OG

    198: Michael Onwenu, OG

    232: Jon Runyon Jr., RT

    *(he’d have to have a major tumble to drop this far)
    David DeCastro has a major tumble and that worked out nice!!


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